CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #14

[LotusPawprint]

A guy posting on the Find Dylan facebook page just posted a picture of a helicopter (he says it is LE) flying over C.R. 500. Just FYI

I just checked that out. Couldn't find any news.
Think it's a random fly over search?
I'm sure we wouldn't hear anything prior only after either way.
Guess we'll wait and see.

 

[cfreyja23]

Wouldn't ER have had to make some claim first in her report that he had taken the kids without her permission for it to make sense that he made this up to cover for it by saying she was drinking then driving with the kids in the car???

And a judge wouldn't order 2 years of no drinking then driving with kids in the car just on his word alone. Why would he order such a thing just based on that??? There had to be somthing more to that.

Judges do that all the time where I practice, and it's perfectly reasonable. Think of it this way: for example, hypothetically, MR files a request for an emergency injunction and writes in a sworn affidavit (which is the same as testifying on the record) asserting that ER was driving drunk with the kids. A hearing date is set in the divorce for his motion. Attorneys and parties come to court, his attorney makes a brief oral statement to the judge. The judge says, "ma'am, have you done what he accuses you of?" She answers yes or no. Judge says, ok, then you won't mind an injunction while the case is pending that says you can't do something that's illegal anyway, would you?" Of course her answer would be, sure, add it in, because she doesn't plan to do it anyway. We can't infer from the fact that the injunction was entered that 1) the accusation was true or 2) that the judge even heard evidence to support the accusation.
Hope this helps!

 

[asyousay]

I finally got to listen to Tricia's interview with Mark Klaas last night and one sobering statement he made just really scares me...

It's apparent who Klaas feels is responsible (other than a giant sinkhole mysteriously opening up and swallowing Dylan)....and he said there were 22 hours that ^^ had to dispose and/or conceal evidence - from 8pm Sunday night til 6pm Monday, and with the Colorado wilderness so widespan, Dylan could be anywhere...

That is my fear and I am positive it's crossed LE mind as well . Which is why they may be stumped as there is no crime scene at the moment and no sightings of Dylan to help them along and no mobile tracking either .

How can LE move the case forward ?!

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I've been trying to find this as well. So far, they haven't said much, and what they have said has been left open to interpretation. For instance:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

So does this mean that the phone was turned off and has not been turned back on? That's what the FB page says, but it also says that Dylan's phone doesn't have GPS, so IDK?

IMO thats what it means there has been no activity on Dylans phone in any way, call, text or ping. There was something else in the comments that caught my eye. to paraphrase 'a sudden stop, before it was finished'

 

[cfreyja23]

Though I will add in that an attorney is ethically forbidden to allow a client to lie to the court, but clients sometimes lie without the attorney aware of it. If an affidavit was signed by someone represented by an attorney, hopefully that attorney would warn the client that a sworn affidavit is the same as testifying in court under oath.

 

[white rabbit]

IMO thats what it means there has been no activity on Dylans phone in any way, call, text or ping. There was something else in the comments that caught my eye. to paraphrase 'a sudden stop, before it was finished'

yep. good catch.

 

[mmmagique]

There is usually an enormous difference between girls and boys communication. Just like men and women. The teen girl across the street is quickly working her way to arthritis in her thumbs. My boys are very tech-smart; just not every waking moment of the day. She can and does turn off her phone when we chat in the car or in the house, while walking around with friends and when she drives. She walks over here when she wants something or someone-without texting. None of them stroke out when their battery dies

Hmmm...

Do you think that it's likely he would have left to go...wherever, without calling or texting his friends that his dad says were so important to him?

 

[vasportsmom]

Judges do that all the time where I practice, and it's perfectly reasonable. Think of it this way: for example, hypothetically, MR files a request for an emergency injunction and writes in a sworn affidavit (which is the same as testifying on the record) asserting that ER was driving drunk with the kids. A hearing date is set in the divorce for his motion. Attorneys and parties come to court, his attorney makes a brief oral statement to the judge. The judge says, "ma'am, have you done what he accuses you of?" She answers yes or no. Judge says, ok, then you won't mind an injunction while the case is pending that says you can't do something that's illegal anyway, would you?" Of course her answer would be, sure, add it in, because she doesn't plan to do it anyway. We can't infer from the fact that the injunction was entered that 1) the accusation was true or 2) that the judge even heard evidence to support the accusation.
Hope this helps!

I have a close friend that is married to a local JDR judge and I asked him about this last night when it was being batted around. He said he had issued many common sense, unnecessary orders just to appease one party when the other had no objection. He also said if he ever felt that it was truly necessary to order a parent not to drive under the influence (with or w/o the kids) there would be other services put in place for added protection.

FTR, we have no idea if the judge that issued the PO did go beyond what should be a common sense order so we are still stuck with he said she said and who knows where the truth falls.


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[The Cheese]

Judges do that all the time where I practice, and it's perfectly reasonable. Think of it this way: for example, hypothetically, MR files a request for an emergency injunction and writes in a sworn affidavit (which is the same as testifying on the record) asserting that ER was driving drunk with the kids. A hearing date is set in the divorce for his motion. Attorneys and parties come to court, his attorney makes a brief oral statement to the judge. The judge says, "ma'am, have you done what he accuses you of?" She answers yes or no. Judge says, ok, then you won't mind an injunction while the case is pending that says you can't do something that's illegal anyway, would you?" Of course her answer would be, sure, add it in, because she doesn't plan to do it anyway. We can't infer from the fact that the injunction was entered that 1) the accusation was true or 2) that the judge even heard evidence to support the accusation.
Hope this helps!

What about the other half of the order? That Elaine not drink in the presence of the children?

 

[katydid23]

This interest me : ''and if nothing else to be ready when he returned so that he could then drop him off at his friends house.''

Do we know that MR said he would take him to his friends later? All I really heard was he slept in, thus missing his ride. I was not aware that anyone said the ride would take place later. I say this because I live in the sticks and I'm pretty anal about doing all my 'errands' in one outing. If I go out, I'm doing it all then. If you want a ride to a friend's house then you go when I go because once I get back home, I will not " HAPPILY" go out again. This totally aggravates my 14 yr old but she knows that's how it is. " can we just get back out later'' is something she doesn't bother to ask anymore.
So could MR have said , ' if you don't get up now, you're ' missing' your ride' meaning this is the only time I'm going to drive that long way? Point being when Dylan woke up he might have known he blew it by sleeping in . So now it's up to him to find a ride to his friends' house OR stay home . Ponderings.

In one of the later embellished or further clarified versions, dad said that he told Dylan he would be back at 11 to see about getting him to this friends. So it seems he was either going to drive him or help him find a ride.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I've messaged her and suggested she come over here

If it's the same person I think you're talking about I hope she joins us - she's ON and I'd like her local insight. And her laser focus on DYLAN's whereabouts and wellbeing first and foremost.

 

[FlyerFan28]

Oy, the Find Missing Dylan facecrack page is getting interesting!

 

[Abby Normal Again]

*sigh* calculus homework calls and my brain is tired. There isn't really anything to discuss, but I still stand by my feelings that railroading MR before evidence is hurting things. The natural result to being convicted in public opinion, is to start avoiding getting convicted legally. Less accusations could result in better access for LE, which is better for everyone.

But I digress. We all have a different opinion on right and wrong and the ethics involved in this whole topic. Mine are telling me to sit out for a bit and get my head on. And pass calculus exam tomorrow for which I have not properly studied. =P

We all want the same thing in the end, and in that we are wholly united. We all want Dylan to come home. Unharmed. If that becomes impossible, we want the guilty party treated severely and without concern. None of us have any sympathy for someone who would hurt a child.

Patience has never been my strong suit. *sigh* Back to the books. Why do I keep hitting refresh?

 

[tamild]

IMO thats what it means there has been no activity on Dylans phone in any way, call, text or ping. There was something else in the comments that caught my eye. to paraphrase 'a sudden stop, before it was finished'

yep. good catch.

I agree. Extremely good catch. Good enough to make me change my thoughts on a thing or two.

 

[cluciano63]

I am beginning to think that nothing less than a confession will solve this case.

 

[katydid23]

This female is the same way. If I told you I would be back by a certain, I'll be back at that time. I'm not calling/texting anyone.

But dad was a half an hour late. Don't you call or text if you are not going to be there at a certain time as promised?

Especially, in this specific situation, as Dylan had just arrived the previous night. It was not a routine thing for him to be there, especially alone. And he was supposedly out like a light when dad left. And dad knew he was stranded there, and had missed his ride to town, and would probably be worried about that when he woke up.

I agree with you that in normal circumstances it might not be important to check in with a 13 yr old home alone. But this was an unusual situation, imo.

And dad was running late, as he didn't get back until 11:30. So didn't Dylan deserve a quick call to say he was on the way? I just don't understand why there was no contact between them, and then no urgent concern when he found the home empty.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I am beginning to think that nothing less than a confession will solve this case.

Do you think those potentially involved would confess?

A random offender unknown and unsuspected by LE seems to have a pretty good secret at this point. Then again perps often get arrogant, liquored up and brag.
I'm afraid that if anyone does ever confess (somehow displaying a conscience), the lack of evidence will work in his (or her) favor and his supporters and attorneys will claim duress and public opinion and pressure caused a false confession. imo only.



eta: also if this was a random stranger abduction by a SO (NOT one of the RSO's checked and cleared by LE) or some sick violent predator in or around the community, they would eventually have to ughh I don't want to type it. Please finish my sentence as it makes me ill to think it. He would eventually be discovered, somwhere in some form. But with no evidence or trace of Dylan to dad's, at dad's or from dad's (that we know of) it does seem like Dylan just disappeared off the face of the earth so I'm not sure how this will be resolved, like you said without a confession.

 

[FruitTingles]

I do think it's important, even if a lot of people don't, that his friends assumed that he took off for Bayfield that morning without contacting them first. I haven't read anything saying that one of his friends said they thought something happened to him at the house (or before he got there) because he didn't call or text them in the morning.

ITA. Great post.

Yes. DR was supposed to go spend some days with his buds.

Here's the transcript and the video of MR talking to the reporter about DR, friends, T'day plans, etc.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 *Media , Maps & Timelines*

R: Can you tell me about your plans for Thanksgiving?

M: Well, because he was with me for such a short period of time, we had touched on a few things. One of the things was we talked about going to my brother David's house in Castle Rock. Um, I know his friends were important to him so we were wanting to make sure he had adequate time with his friends. Um, you know basically the plan was Monday and Tuesday he would spend with his friends. Maybe Wednesday, you know we had talked a little bit about going bowling or doing something as an activity, not with just me and him, his friends included. Then we would have Thanksgiving day to ourselves. Or there was a possibility we would travel and get to my brother's house. So, you know, none of that ever got finalized. I mean, we were just focusing on the next day and what we were going to do and how that was going to take place. That's as far as we really ever got. You know, his friends are important to him and I certainly don't expect him to spend a whole week with me when he's got, he's grown up in this community and he's got tons of people who love and care about him.
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ETA: That's why his stuff was packed. IMO.

I had not yet seen this. Thank you Ransom.:seeya:

 

[jennapuppy]

If it's the same person I think you're talking about I hope she joins us - she's ON and I'd like her local insight. And her laser focus on DYLAN's whereabouts and wellbeing first and foremost.

Her comment about phone reception doesn't really prove anything IMO. Brands and models of phones can vary when it comes to reception, even with the same service provider. Also, it's been my experience that cell reception in rural isolated areas can vary from day to day as well. My parents live in an area like that and some days I can get decent reception, or maybe just for an hour or two, or if I hold it up to a window, or step outside on the porch...

And, up until today, I hadn't considered that Dylan could have stepped outside to get better reception, yet I do that all the time when I'm at my parents' house.
jmo

 

[katydid23]

Her comment about phone reception doesn't really prove anything IMO. Brands and models of phones can vary when it comes to reception, even with the same service provider. Also, it's been my experience that cell reception in rural isolated areas can vary from day to day as well. My parents live in an area like that and some days I can get decent reception, or maybe just for an hour or two, or if I hold it up to a window, or step outside on the porch...

And, up until today, I hadn't considered that Dylan could have stepped outside to get better reception, yet I do that all the time when I'm at my parents' house.
jmo

But if he never turned his cell phone on that morning, how would he know he needed to step outsider to get better reception?