CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #15

[SCHMAE]

do we have a verified psychiatrist somewhere on here?

iirc we do. just have a question for him/her. TIA!

I am an unverified, uneducated dabbler in psychiatry. But I've got a life time of experience.
I'll give it a shot !

 

[tamild]

Other than in the Nancy Grace transcript, does anyone remember where it was reported about an ipod being left at dad's and/or removed by LE during the search? I thought I read something about an ipod at dad's house somewhere but can't find a link/source. I'm having trouble finding anything specific other than Nancy Grace...

Same here. I've been looking, but no luck yet.

 

[nursebeeme]

I will have to dig and find it for you but it was a news article right around the time of the search (re: ipod)

that being said the about the ipod:

1) it was from a "source"
2) LE denied comment on anything taken from the home

 

[Confusion]

And here's one just because............. Upon hearing MR worked for a 'pipe' company, did anyone else get a little small 'ugh' at the back of their throat ?

I haven't seen Sarx post today, so I thought I'd add some information I did find about tracking dogs. I hope it might clarify a bit the typse that have been used.

Air Scent Dogs
Pick up a scent and follow it, but not necessarily a certain person's scent. They don't work as well if other people are around (thus stopping volunteer searches, etc.)

Trailing Dogs
Use an item with a clean scent and follow scent on the ground. They'll only follow the scent of the particular person.

Tracking Dog
Follows a person's path, but doesn't use air scent. Often used when a scent item isn't available.

Cadaver Dog
A cadaver dog reacts only to the scent of a dead human.

Water Search Dog
A water search dog is trained to detect human scent that is in or under the water, they are trained to alert at the scent of body gasses. Usually done from a boat or shoreline.

There are also other types, but I don't think any of them would be used in a case like this. MOO

http://www.ussartf.org/dogs_search_rescue.htm

 

[SmoothOperator]

iPod..if I'm not mistaken it was initially reported by a local media outlet both on their broadcast and in print in the online article to follow the broadcast.. it was discussed as to where this media outlet got their info as no one else had reported this..so not sure if it was ever found or clarified what this reporters source of this info was..or even if it was in fact actually accurate or not..

just what I recall off hand about the iPod info..jmo

 

[katydid23]

I haven't seen Sarx post today, so I thought I'd add some information I did find about tracking dogs. I hope it might clarify a bit the typse that have been used.

Air Scent Dogs
Pick up a scent and follow it, but not necessarily a certain person's scent. They don't work as well if other people are around (thus stopping volunteer searches, etc.)

Trailing Dogs
Use an item with a clean scent and follow scent on the ground. They'll only follow the scent of the particular person.

Tracking Dog
Follows a person's path, but doesn't use air scent. Often used when a scent item isn't available.

Cadaver Dog
A cadaver dog reacts only to the scent of a dead human.

Water Search Dog
A water search dog is trained to detect human scent that is in or under the water, they are trained to alert at the scent of body gasses. Usually done from a boat or shoreline.

There are also other types, but I don't think any of them would be used in a case like this. MOO

http://www.ussartf.org/dogs_search_rescue.htm

And bloodhounds are often tracking dogs, and not always trailing dogs. So they may not have had a clean scent item for them to use and so they just had them
try to pick up any track that led away from the home. jmo

 

[Linda7NJ]

Any major developments? I have been able to catch up or be here


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[TxJan1971]

I haven't seen Sarx post today, so I thought I'd add some information I did find about tracking dogs. I hope it might clarify a bit the typse that have been used.

Air Scent Dogs
Pick up a scent and follow it, but not necessarily a certain person's scent. They don't work as well if other people are around (thus stopping volunteer searches, etc.)

Trailing Dogs
Use an item with a clean scent and follow scent on the ground. They'll only follow the scent of the particular person.

Tracking Dog
Follows a person's path, but doesn't use air scent. Often used when a scent item isn't available.

Cadaver Dog
A cadaver dog reacts only to the scent of a dead human.

Water Search Dog
A water search dog is trained to detect human scent that is in or under the water, they are trained to alert at the scent of body gasses. Usually done from a boat or shoreline.

There are also other types, but I don't think any of them would be used in a case like this. MOO

http://www.ussartf.org/dogs_search_rescue.htm

I'd be interested to see any data/statistical analysis of the accuracy of above types of search and rescue dogs. Wonder if there is a reputable author/website to obtain this information, if it exists...?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

So this means
A) nothing HAPPENED inside the home
B) Dylan was never inside the home.

If only we knew which .

BUT I think if they found that Dylan was never in the home that would be listed as very very very helpful dont you?

I dont think they found any evidence whatsoever that Dylan was harmed in his home.

IMO

 

[Bravo]

Any major developments? I have been able to catch up or be here


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Not really other than this

http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/Search-Continues-For-Missing-Boy-180366681.html

 

[ICUDOUCME]

I remembered reading somewhere that MR was a truck driver(or maybe saw it on TV). Having many family friends that are truck drivers, and stay away(most men)for long periods, they usually set up someone to help them pay bills, and have the ability to enter there home to check on things....in CO it's kind of needed, due to weather, and wild life. I wonder if MR has such a person..... This is me wondering out loud.

 

[Indy Anna]

Yes .. Yogi had a good scent article. They can track in amazing conditions with amazing results if they have a GOOD SCENT ARTICLE.

You can't explain to a dog WHICH scent to take off of a couch. But given a SPECIFIC scent .. dogs can track with amazing accuracy..

imo

That's why I don't understand why LE didn't request a better scent article immediately. I know ER (MH if he went with her on the first trip to Vallecito) would've had to turn around and go back home to get an article of clothes with a fresh scent but, under the circumstances, I doubt they would've protested. LE still wouldn't have been able to track using the scent article until the 2nd day Dylan was missing, but that would be better than 6 days later.

So, if LE believed DR had been abducted from the house - and they had no reason believe otherwise at that point (AFAIK) - it seems they would've done all they could to get a trackable scent. It seems that LE really didn't focus on that possibility at the beginning.

And, it's all too convenient that nothing was at the house that had Dylan's scent exclusively. Even if some of DR's clothes were there, someone else had apparently handled them. If he had been in the house and did have breakfast that a.m., MR likely washed the bowl and spoon already and anything DR supposedly drank out of.

There are just too many conveniences here for my comfort. I remember in the early stages of Kyron Horman's disappearance, I defended Terri (I wasn't on WS at the time, but another forum) and considered various possibilities. But, after a while I realized that there were so many "coincidences" in the case that either KH's disappearance was premeditated by TH & friends, or Kyron was the most unfortunate little boy in the world to having everything working against him the day he disappeared. The same rings true for Dylan: plans with friends changed, cell phone went off and wasn't used again, didn't use his iPod, didn't use Dad's landline (apparently didn't remember anyone's phone number or the number for information), couldn't use Dad's computer to email anyone or look up telephone numbers, disappears first night at his Dad's on that visit, isn't missed until 4:00 p.m. Monday, etc.

I'm not convinced that what happened to DR was premeditated, but I do believe something happened that Sunday night. Either that or Dylan walked into.....the Twilight Zone. MOO

 

[nursebeeme]

here is the post about the ipod...! whew! I should have left a crumb trail!
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8595468&postcount=647"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5[/ame]

 

[jennapuppy]

I'm beginning to think that LE initially suspected that Dylan had run away and would eventually surface. Given his age and the family dynamics, that would be a fairly common assumption to make. It seems that they waited to rule out this possibility before getting the search warrant and looking for forensic evidence. I wonder if we'll ever hear the forensics results.
moo

 

[Confusion]

I'd be interested to see any data/statistical analysis of the accuracy of above types of search and rescue dogs. Wonder if there is a reputable author/website to obtain this information, if it exists...?

In a study to see how reliable cadaver dogs are in detecting death:

In this study, there were 100 carpet contaminated and 100 uncontaminated carpet samples. Sensitivity showed that 75-100% of contaminated samples were identified correctly, and there were only 0-9% false positive hits for the uncontaminated samples. (I believe this is per dog - different dogs, different %)

This also means that 91-100% negatives were correctly identified, and there were 0-25% false negatives for positive samples.
http://dogsdontlie.com/main/2008/12/cadaver-dogs-how-reliable-are-they-at-detecting-death/

This is only for cadaver dogs, and I haven't found any studies on tracking dogs yet. I'll keep looking.

 

[Ransom]

iPod removed from dad's house ......

Watch/listen to VIDEO
http://www.9news.com/news/article/302378/188/Missing-boys-father-denies-involvement

 

[Wendy101]

I haven't seen Sarx post today, so I thought I'd add some information I did find about tracking dogs. I hope it might clarify a bit the typse that have been used.

Air Scent Dogs[/B]
Pick up a scent and follow it, but not necessarily a certain person's scent. They don't work as well if other people are around (thus stopping volunteer searches, etc.)

Trailing Dogs
Use an item with a clean scent and follow scent on the ground. They'll only follow the scent of the particular person.

Tracking Dog
Follows a person's path, but doesn't use air scent. Often used when a scent item isn't available.

Cadaver Dog
A cadaver dog reacts only to the scent of a dead human.

Water Search Dog
A water search dog is trained to detect human scent that is in or under the water, they are trained to alert at the scent of body gasses. Usually done from a boat or shoreline.

There are also other types, but I don't think any of them would be used in a case like this. MOO

http://www.ussartf.org/dogs_search_rescue.htm

Three La Plata County Search and Rescue air-scent canines have conducted ground searches. Dylan's mother gave investigators some of Dylan's clothing so canines know his scent.
http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/Search-Continues-For-Missing-Boy-180366681.html?mobile=yes

 

[Dee10]

If Dylan never made it to the house along with the phone & his backback, yet his ipod did?

Why didn't Dylan take it with him? Maybe he didn't plan to use it with his friends?

Wonder if it is MR's?

 

[SuziQ]

Dad did provide scent items, but they flew in better ones. That makes sense to me because in a matter this important you want a good (no, the BEST) scent item possible. That aspect of the case does not seem that weird or suspicious to me.

BBM. Do you have a link for this? It's the first time I've heard this and I want to keep myself straight. Thanks!

 

[Confusion]

BBM. Do you have a link for this? It's the first time I've heard this and I want to keep myself straight. Thanks!

I don't remember ever seeing them say that they had no scent items in the beginning; all I remember is that they said they had no clean scent items. I really don't know how important it is depending on the type of dog used, but I'm sure a clean scent would give a much better chance of tracking/trailing. MOO