CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #15

[Confusion]

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I am sure I seem a bit stubborn, by harping on this point. But I think it is a major issue. MR had just that moment found his son to be missing. And what is his response?

His response, to the crisis, according to him, is to text him and wait for his reply.

So to me, that would prove that he had confidence in his cell service. But to others, it means nothing. Some are saying he had no service. So what does that mean then? Why would he sit and wait for a text in reply if he had no service? Maybe it was a phony alibi?

I think part of the problem is that things like disappearing children aren't that common in that area, and I don't think it had occurred to him at that point that there might be a crisis. MOO

 

[Ransom]

As a non-local from just reading what info is available per the internet+maps+you wonderful locals sharing your knowledge.. I agree that the likelihood of them being home at dad's by 8pm is slim.. and while that in and of itself is no specific indicator either way with the cell phone issue.. I am however of the very strong opinion that Dylan's cell phone never made it to dad's home.. but that's nothing more than jmo, tho.

K. But why :being home at dad's by 8pm is a big deal? No one ever said they had a curfew/expected @ MR home at a certain time = 8:00 pm (MT). The phone just quit working at 8:00 pm. Why the need to place DR at his dad's at that time? Explain that to me. TIA.

 

[Darcyline]

Everything I have ever seen from people not on websleuths says spotty service-not no service. If you have spotty cell service you understand MR's actions pretty well. Spotty is not the same as no service at all and you do tend to think that a few texts may take a little more time than the instant city texts you get elsewhere. I also think that people in general tend to come up with a reasonable explanation for something and not OMG MISSING OR DEAD.
A good example would be the Dad in Jessica Ridgeway's case who drove his son to school and didn't go looking for Jessica when she didn't show. A lot was made of that to the point of people accusing him of hurting her, but I can guarantee you that Dad assumed she got another (safe) ride and not that she was in danger.
If we are thinking MR is innocent I think it is reasonable for him to think that maybe Dylan found another way with a friend's parent or something rather than immediately assuming he was dead or in danger when he came home and found DR missing. So, he sent a few texts trying to get an answer, maybe messed around the house, and then became alarmed with a lack of response at all.

 

[nikb]

Hey Guys - it is getting late again and it appears tempers are on the rise.

Please remember - posters can hash things over, and over, and over and then over again. If you feel it has been hashed out, then don't reply, just move past it and let those that are still working out the details, work on them. It's okay. Don't stress over it.

We have posters that can only pop in when they have time and may miss many pages and many discussions, but they still want answers. That's okay. Let those who are in the mood, answer them.

We have other posters that like to mull things over until they feel comfortable with their own interpretation of things. That's okay. Let them work it out for themselves. If you are in a place where you feel comfortable with your own interpretation and don't want to mull it over anymore - great. Move past those posts.

But don't get down on others that are still working through things or are just popping in to catch up on the latest news.

If you need a break, take one. Visit other threads, get a cuppa tea, whatever. Just breathe. It is all good.

Salem

Bump, and thanks Salem.

 

[PaulR]

I understand what you are getting at. But that is not what I am trying to say.

You have stated that MR should have known that his texts were not getting through. You've made this accusation several times, including in the post I am quoting. That's why I asked how you, personally, would know if your messages weren't getting through.

Nobody has ever claimed that MR had zero service at his house. MR hasn't, ER hasn't. If you can find otherwise, please post a link.

I have explained as best I could why intermittent cell phone connectivity would explain ER's statement on Nancy Grace that phone calls did not work but texts did, because of how SMS messages are propagated, and I base that because I actually worked on a product that interfaced with SMS messaging so I know a little about the technology, and we had to deal with some of the issues involved. Not as much as someone who works for a cell phone company but enough.

So let's go over this again:

I am sure I seem a bit stubborn, by harping on this point. But I think it is a major issue. MR had just that moment found his son to be missing. And what is his response?

His response, to the crisis, according to him, is to text him and wait for his reply.

So to me, that would prove that he had confidence in his cell service. But to others, it means nothing. Some are saying he had no service. So what does that mean then? Why would he sit and wait for a text in reply if he had no service? Maybe it was a phony alibi?

MR is not "tech saavy." MR is not a technologist. MR is a guy who knows that cell phone connectivity is lousy but the SMS messages seem to go through. MR probably doesn't know any way to send SMS messages other than using your phone.

Dylan's cell phone is either off or dead or out of range of a cell tower. An innocent MR has no way of knowing that Dylan can't be reached. He does know that Dylan is generally diligent in checking his cell phone. So he tries to contact Dylan the only way that is available to him and that has the greatest chance of working. If that makes him a bad father, then it makes him a bad father but not a murderer.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

The one thing I know we can all agree on at this point is that we want Dylan found. On that note, I am off to bed, and to say my prayers for his safe return....

Hope the new 11,000 dollar reward helps people open up if they know anything!

 

[vasportsmom]

Katy, assuming you sent a text message and there was no cell service, I want you to explain to me how you would figure out (say) an hour later that the message was never sent.

Simple question.

If my texts fail to send for any reason there is an exclamation mark over the "messages" icon on my home screen and when I open up messages there is the option to cancel or resend the failed message.


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[carole]

I want to know why dad didn't pick up his landline phone and try to call Dylan when the first message wasn't responded to. Half an hour wait maybe and then call. I understand people like to text each other, but dad expected Dylan to be home waiting for him to take him to his friend's house. I can't understand waiting several hours. I would not be waiting around all afternoon to hear from my young son who disappeared with no note or explanation what happened/where he had gone. JMHO.

 

[apples]

K. But why :being home at dad's by 8pm is a big deal?

I would like to know this, too.

 

[katydid23]

You have stated that MR should have known that his texts were not getting through. You've made this accusation several times, including in the post I am quoting. That's why I asked how you, personally, would know if your messages weren't getting through.

Nobody has ever claimed that MR had zero service at his house. MR hasn't, ER hasn't. If you can find otherwise, please post a link.

I have explained as best I could why intermittent cell phone connectivity would explain ER's statement on Nancy Grace that phone calls did not work but texts did, because of how SMS messages are propagated, and I base that because I actually worked on a product that interfaced with SMS messaging so I know a little about the technology, and we had to deal with some of the issues involved. Not as much as someone who works for a cell phone company but enough.

So let's go over this again:


MR is not "tech saavy." MR is not a technologist. MR is a guy who knows that cell phone connectivity is lousy but the SMS messages seem to go through. MR probably doesn't know any way to send SMS messages other than using your phone.

Dylan's cell phone is either off or dead or out of range of a cell tower. An innocent MR has no way of knowing that Dylan can't be reached. He does know that Dylan is generally diligent in checking his cell phone. So he tries to contact Dylan the only way that is available to him and that has the greatest chance of working. If that makes him a bad father, then it makes him a bad father but not a murderer.

You stated above that nobody ever said there was no reception at MR's. I interpreted the following post as saying that, and maybe I am mistaken, but the last sentence kind of amped me up a bit, I admit.
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Please NOTE from your link
Mobile phone tracking refers to the attaining of the current position of a mobile phone, stationary or moving. Localization may occur either via multilateration of radio signals between (several) radio towers of the network and the phone, or simply via GPS. To locate the phone using multilateration of radio signals, it must emit at least the roaming signal to contact the next nearby antenna tower, but the process does not require an active call. GSM is based on the signal strength to nearby antenna masts.[1]

Again SEE here: http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=bayfield&state_abr=co

AGAIN: back up the "ladder looking thing on the far left hand side" a wee bit. Look: there isn't anything out there/near Vallecito.

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I thought the above post was saying there is nO service at MR's house, <modsnip>.

So that is one reason I have been questioning why he would have waited until late afternoon to go check on his kid. If he had no reception, then why was he relying upon a cell phone to see if his kid was ok?

 

[jennapuppy]

Often, one can get a feel for the direction LE is leaning, but not this time. They don't mind leaving MR twisting in the wind, which just may be their procedure, or may be meaningful, no way of knowing. They are not really reacting, IMO, as though a dangerous predator came through town and snatched Dylan off the streets.

I guess the LE in Jessica's case spoiled us; we the public were kept advised, aware when the parents were cleared, and as soon as LE knew there was a predator on the loose. And none of their revelations hurt their attempts to make an arrest.

LE needs to be doing what is best for Dylan; I hope they are. I hope they are not following some manual that tells them to keep all info "top secret". I hope they know, or learn soon, what might be helpful to share and could bring results. Right now my level of comfort that Dylan will be found anytime soon is at zero.

There are also cases, like Ayla Reynolds or Lisa Irwin, where LE suspects a parent or parents and have kept the heat on them in the media, even though they haven't yet found sufficient evidence to make an arrest.

It's very unusual for LE to avoid press conferences in a case like this, though. I don't ever remember a case like that.

 

[cluciano63]

It doesn't matter where they were at 8pm, IMO; if the phone ceased working, Dylan would have made a fuss or at least let his father know. If it simply needed charging would it have been turned off? (Didn't LE say it was "off"? Or is that an assumption?)

Or, Dylan put it on to charge Sunday night, not knowing it was not taking a charge and Dad left assuming his phone was fine. This would mean that Dylan's phone chose the day he was on an enforced visit to Dad to kick the bucket; coincidental but possible.

 

[Seajay]

When at my mom's when I'm in the back room, I can't get cell service nor can I send a text. Nothing goes through. Not even 3G. Nothing.

I have to move around the house to find a bar for cell service which is sketchy at best and the same with texts. They will queue up and when I go out front, sometimes they will download and I will get them. But I've sat out front and text and have them not go through and it tells me to try again.

As far as Marks actions/reactions when he got home and discovered Dylan wasn't there. The kid is 13, he's not a baby. He's got a mind of his own. He could have been a number of places, there was no reason for Mark to think right away that Dylan was in danger or missing. That's not the first thing he would think of. Why should he?? His son has friends there, there is a creek out back, there is a lake down the way. There are too many things he could have been doing. So maybe he wasn't concerned to start with.

Then after a time, he texts him or tries to call him and he gets no answer or the calls don't go through. So he starts to look around to see if he can find him. It's still not an emergency situation at that point. Why should it be?

Later, he drives to his friend's in Vallecito, finds he's not there. This is probably when he starts getting concerned, because his friend didn't see him or heard from him. So he drives to Bayfield hoping against hope that Dylan found his own way there. This is when he realizes that he has an emergency situation. This is when the panic sets in, when he's not anywhere he thought he would be. JMO

And Mark may NOT have been the last to see Dylan. Someone, the person who has him was.

 

[cluciano63]

There are also cases, like Ayla Reynolds or Lisa Irwin, where LE suspects a parent or parents and have kept the heat on them in the media, even though they haven't yet found sufficient evidence to make an arrest.

Yes, and we, the public, know that those parents are under the microscope. Not so, here.

 

[Seajay]

It doesn't matter where they were at 8pm, IMO; if the phone ceased working, Dylan would have made a fuss or at least let his father know. If it simply needed charging would it have been turned off? (Didn't LE say it was "off"? Or is that an assumption?)

Or, Dylan put it on to charge Sunday night, not knowing it was not taking a charge and Dad left assuming his phone was fine. This would mean that Dylan's phone chose the day he was on an enforced visit to Dad to kick the bucket; coincidental but possible.

Or Dylan wasn't planning on using that phone anymore because he had a burner phone he had gotten before he ever left Colorado Springs.

 

[Ransom]

Ransom,

I always read your posts and follow your links. Do you have any theories as to what you think may have happened to Dylan? I'm not trying to put you on the spot but would like to hear what your opinions are. You don't have to answer.

TIA:seeya:

I just don't know. I've never pointed fingers at anyone in my years here on WS. IF MR is arrested for his missing son's case = so be it. IF someone else disappeared Dylan ..... there ya go. IF no one is held accountable for Dylan going poof ..

WE allllllllllll, here on WS, want Dylan found safe. I'm on board with that. ME (myself) will not say Mark Redwine is guilty of anything from what I have read/heard.
Be well Score.
Off to bed. See you all tomorrow

 

[Seajay]

I really do not want to add Dylan's name to my signature. Please Dylan, wherever you are, it's time to come back.

 

[PaulR]

It doesn't matter where they were at 8pm, IMO; if the phone ceased working, Dylan would have made a fuss or at least let his father know. If it simply needed charging would it have been turned off? (Didn't LE say it was "off"? Or is that an assumption?)

I think they may have said "off" but that is probably an assumption. They would definitely know when the phone stopped pinging any tower, but unless his phone actually sent a message to a cell tower saying "hey, someone pressed the power button", I don't see how the police would know why his phone stopped communicating.

Even if DR was right under a cell tower when the phone stopped pinging, it could have been due to the battery being yanked or the phone picking a really bad time to die.

 

[cluciano63]

Or Dylan wasn't planning on using that phone anymore because he had a burner phone he had gotten before he ever left Colorado Springs.

I can't see a reason to believe this one, at this time.

 

[katydid23]

I think part of the problem is that things like disappearing children aren't that common in that area, and I don't think it had occurred to him at that point that there might be a crisis. MOO

I do not see how it wouldn't be a crisis. But maybe that is just me.

When I make plans with my kids, especially when they were 13, and we agree upon something, then no one is allowed to just go off and leave with no note or message.

Dad said he would be back at 11 to take him to town. So didn't Dad think it odd that the kid was gone, with no explanation?

Why didnt he use the land line to call Dylans phone? Why didnt he use the landline to call his ex and see if she had heard from him?

Why didnt he call the friends earlier than 4 pm to see if he had made it there?

Dylan did not live there and did not have any friends within walking distance. So why wasn't dad more concerned about finding out where he went? People are saying that it is a safe place, but it is surrounded by water and the woods and sprinkled with RSO's. So evidently it is not as safe as all that.

He did not go to the friends house until almost 4 pm. Because he went right to Bayfield immediately afterwards, and got there about 4:15 to 4:30. So I really wonder about the 5 hour gap. But as I said, maybe it does not seem odd to others here. But it does seem odd to me. JMO