CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #22

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  • #381
Thank you for this. So I guess it's not so obvious that they threw the football around inside MR's house when they got home. Maybe they bought one at Walmart and they stopped somewhere on the way home to toss it around? Or so the story goes....

MR is (duh!) a dad and they tend to think differently than us moms so I can't be sure that they weren't tossing the ball indoors but even my ball crazed husband agrees that balls belong outside. Nerf balls can be a disaster indoors. My kids have broke light bulbs & fixtures, broke trophies and even destroyed one Nerf football by tossing it into a ceiling fan.
 
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To get back at Elaine ?

Seems like the obvious answer to me. I will never believe that this wasn't about hurting Elaine w/o some really solid evidence.
 
  • #384
But that is just the point, it has been said that MR rarely choose to exercise his visitation rights in the years that Dylan was local and seeing him would have been a breeze. So why the sudden interest once visitation required a plane ticket and much more advance prep?

Sadly once they get into their teens It kind of hard to rebuild all that you destroyed!
 
  • #385
I just thought I read on his Fb that he lives a ways away from mom.
Maybe he was home for thanksgiving?

IMO he wrote that before ER moved to Colorado Springs, maybe he was already there studying or working IDK
 
  • #386
Well IF MR did this and IF it was premeditated how does that fit in with what we know? Or how does that differ in how he might have done things? Just curious on possible hypothetical theories. (I do believe this is an option although IMHO the less likely one)

Perhaps that's why he wouldn't let Dylan go to his friends? Perhaps that's why the phone died at 8pm? He might have been educated on how phones ping and destroyed it so no pings. It could explain no evidence in the truck (if there wasn't any). If he knew anything about forensics he would have made sure to do the deed outside the truck. What else?
 
  • #387
Well IF MR did this and IF it was premeditated how does that fit in with what we know? Or how does that differ in how he might have done things? Just curious on possible hypothetical theories. (I do believe this is an option although IMHO the less likely one)

Perhaps that's why he wouldn't let Dylan go to his friends? Perhaps that's why the phone died at 8pm? He might have been educated on how phones ping and destroyed it so no pings. It could explain no evidence in the truck (if there wasn't any). If he knew anything about forensics he would have made sure to do the deed outside the truck. What else?

IMO I'm dubious about it not being premeditated if he did something because IMO according to what little info we have its too 'clean'. If this was out of the blue for whatever reason you wouldn't expect there to be so little evidence.
 
  • #388
Do you think it could have been because as long as they had joint custody and he lived in the same town, he could see DR whenever he wanted or whenever DR wanted to come to visit without putting him on an airiplane, paying for the tickets, etc. He could just drive down the street and get him. Also I know in my experience if it was Christmas, Thanksgiving, my kids would spend part of the time with their dad. It didn't involve an extended stay. jmo

Sorry for the slow reply, trying to make dinner :)


Yes i think MR wanted to see Dylan on his terms. He wanted to be in control and when the family moved away he lost control IMO.

Why if Dylan was that important to him would you not visit him when he was local and actually convenient ?
 
  • #389
Is it possible that he coaxed Dylan out of the truck with 'hey lets stop here and throw the football around a bit'? Or is it possible that an argument broke out while they were stopped throwing the football around (if not premeditated). Where is a likely spot to throw the football around between Durango and Vallecito? If there was no evidence in the truck that would mean he would have been disposed of where he was killed, no? Again all hypothetical thinking IF MR did this.
 
  • #390
Sorry for the slow reply, trying to make dinner :)


Yes i think MR wanted to see Dylan on his terms. He wanted to be in control and when the family moved away he lost control IMO.


whats for dinner?

I'm getting ready to have breakfast in a few hours
 
  • #391
To me it meant he's not the type of kid that would go on a nature hike deep into the woods by himself (or a 4 mile hike to go fishing by himself). How many people would? And how many 13 year olds would? I love to fish, but walk 4 miles by myself to a lake? Heck no!!
I'm not Dylan, and it's been a long time since I was his age, but: When I was younger, I was a pretty sociable person. I preferred doing 'nothing' with a friend to doing 'something' by myself. Because of that, not in spite of it, I probably would have walked a few miles to a friend's house rather than spend an hour or two sitting by myself. Four miles wasn't far to me when I was young (in spite of growing up in Minneapolis). When I was 8 or maybe even younger, friends and I walked about 2 miles to a lake to swim or just go on nature walks through Theodore Wirth Park. By Dylan's age, I was living in a small town, and thought nothing of walking 3.5 miles alone to a neighboring lake when none of my friends were around.

MR told KOAT news that investigators took a pair of Dylan's sweatpants, his Ipod and a Nerf football the two tossed around Sunday night

Are we allowed to include YouTube Links?

Search YouTube Dylan's Dad Talks for above
Between you and Amandareckonwith (sp?), we seem to have a great go to person for most threads when information is needed. Thanks for being so quick with the info here. I didn't think YouTube was allowed except for MSM videos, but I've seen a lot of them posted. I hope someone answers that for you.

BBM
What the hay Paul! Where does that statement come from?
she wasnt born in prehistoric ages!.
Kids are AVID texters!
So are most of the parents!

and many grandparents!
I wasn't born in prehistoric ages either, but nobody carried around cell phones while I was growing up! Okay, maybe it was close to prehistoric ages. I have to admit that I'm really surprised by a lot of things posted here. I know a lot of kids, from newborn to 40 years old (yes, I do consider some of them to be kids), and I can't think of anything that everyone I know at any age does. I personally know at least 40 kids within a year of Dylan's age, not just being aware of them, and very few of them even own a cell phone. I know a couple of my nieces have kids in their young teens - two 10 year olds, one 11 year old, three 12 year olds, two 13 year olds, one 14 year old, one 15 year old, and one 16 year old. The 14 year old did get his own phone for Christmas in 2011, partially to keep in touch with his mother's family who were all long distance. None of the kids younger than that have their own phones, and only the 14, 14 and 16 year olds are allowed to have an account on a social media site. My point? I know Dylan isn't like any of these kids, so I try not to assume he'd behave like they do. I also don't believe he's exactly like any of the children, neighbors, relatives, or whatever, of other members, so I also don't expect him to behave just like any of them. I hope that makes sense.

He was probably paraphrased by the media - but I recall something about a nerf football they had tossed around that evening.... being collected in the search.
When I read it I just imagined that being a nerf ball it could have just been tossed from one to the other across the living room or something similar. I thought it was good news as it could have helped show Dylan did make it to dad's house.
:moo:
The first thing I thought when I read it was that one of them made a remark to the other one, and the person it was said to threw the football at him. The one hit with the ball picked it up and threw it back. Maybe half in jest and half in irritation. I could see calling that tossing a ball around to avoid explaining it and maybe having people see it as something worse than it was. MOO
 
  • #392
Well IF MR did this and IF it was premeditated how does that fit in with what we know? Or how does that differ in how he might have done things? Just curious on possible hypothetical theories. (I do believe this is an option although IMHO the less likely one)

Perhaps that's why he wouldn't let Dylan go to his friends? Perhaps that's why the phone died at 8pm? He might have been educated on how phones ping and destroyed it so no pings. It could explain no evidence in the truck (if there wasn't any). If he knew anything about forensics he would have made sure to do the deed outside the truck. What else?

I dont think had had it in him to plan this.
Do I think he has problems? Yes!
These problems possibly led to this tragedy.

I do not for one second believe he intentionally hurt his child but I dont think he knows how to controll his anger!

I do think they had a very bad fight!


JMO
 
  • #393
Well IF MR did this and IF it was premeditated how does that fit in with what we know? Or how does that differ in how he might have done things? Just curious on possible hypothetical theories. (I do believe this is an option although IMHO the less likely one)

Perhaps that's why he wouldn't let Dylan go to his friends? Perhaps that's why the phone died at 8pm? He might have been educated on how phones ping and destroyed it so no pings. It could explain no evidence in the truck (if there wasn't any). If he knew anything about forensics he would have made sure to do the deed outside the truck. What else?

There are so many little roads and drop-offs into rivers - one would not have to travel far off Florida Road and not for very long.
 
  • #394
I dont think had had it in him to plan this.
Do I think he has problems? Yes!
These problems possibly led to this tragedy.

I do not for one second believe he intentionally hurt his child but I dont think he knows how to controll his anger!

I do think they had a very bad fight!


JMO

But would not there be offense wounds on MR? Evidence in the truck?
 
  • #395
Is it possible that he coaxed Dylan out of the truck with 'hey lets stop here and throw the football around a bit'? Or is it possible that an argument broke out while they were stopped throwing the football around (if not premeditated). Where is a likely spot to throw the football around between Durango and Vallecito? If there was no evidence in the truck that would mean he would have been disposed of where he was killed, no? Again all hypothetical thinking IF MR did this.

now see that leads me to another theory. they stop somewhere, Dylan maybe knocked out somehow either hit or drugged, he's transferred into another vehicle and spirited away.

did he have access to vehicles at the pipeline depot? if so he could have used a vehicle there IMO
 
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IMO I'm dubious about it not being premeditated if he did something because IMO according to what little info we have its too 'clean'. If this was out of the blue for whatever reason you wouldn't expect there to be so little evidence.

That is exactly my thinking. I really think it was too quick and too "clean" to have been rage induced. Mark had darn near 22 hours to clean up, no matter which way we look at it but if it wasn't planned and he requested the visit for sincere reasons then I really can't imagine he would have started it off on the wrong foot by showing up at the airport drunk.

Dylan wasn't a young child. He probably knew how to recognize the signs of being drunk. I'd be shocked if Elaine hadn't drilled those signs into his head and I would really expect that he would be more likely to cause a scene then willingly hop in a vehicle with his father drunk. Think about, airport security would have notified LE and they sure wouldn't have allowed Mark to drive off drunk with a child. What better way to quickly put an end to a visit Dylan reportedly had no desire to make?
 
  • #398
I will never believe that this wasn't about hurting Elaine w/o some really solid evidence.

Since you believe it was about hurting Elaine without solid - or any - evidence, why the insistence on solid evidence to the contrary? It seems to me that the folks giving MR the benefit of the doubt have more evidence on their side than those subtly accusing him.
 
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Where are you Dylan? Praying today is the day you come home safely.

<3
 
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