CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #22

[asyousay]

whats for dinner?

I'm getting ready to have breakfast in a few hours

That pesky time difference

Just some breast of chicken diced and peppers in a wrap . I am 26 years old (still spoilt rotten ) and am not a good cook so i stick to simple stuff :great:


Which is why i struggle to believe anybody in the same family could hurt a son/brother as its just beyond evil

I have only ever looked at this thread and the Mcstay one ( it baffles me how a whole family can vanish) but this afternoon i looked at a few other threads and the mind boggles how people can be that completely evil ! .. just why!

 

[Eileen730]

Since you believe it was about hurting Elaine without solid - or any - evidence, why the insistence on solid evidence to the contrary? It seems to me that the folks giving MR the benefit of the doubt have more evidence on their side than those subtly accusing him.

What evidence?

We dont even know if what hes said is truth about that morning.
As I see it there is NO evidence at all.

What we do know is his cell phone stopped at 8 pm sunday!

 

[vasportsmom]

Since you believe it was about hurting Elaine without solid - or any - evidence, why the insistence on solid evidence to the contrary? It seems to me that the folks giving MR the benefit of the doubt have more evidence on their side than those subtly accusing him.

Fair enough. <modsnip>

 

[Confusion]

But that is just the point, it has been said that MR rarely choose to exercise his visitation rights in the years that Dylan was local and seeing him would have been a breeze. So why the sudden interest once visitation required a plane ticket and much more advance prep?

She said that he didn't exercise his parental rights a lot during the 3 years before they moved because he was working out of the area a lot. That doesn't mean, to me, that he didn't care about him or want to see him. She never said that he NEVER saw Dylan, at least nothing I've read. When asked direct questions, her responses were that he was excited to visit his friends (not that he was dreading the trip), that MR hadn't hurt him before, but she didn't think he knew him very well, that the reason he hadn't seen him much lately was because of work, that she had no idea if he had passed (or even taken) a polygraph, but she thought it might have been inconclusive.

In fact, when asked direct questions, she hasn't really said anything derogatory about him or his relationship with Dylan. It's possible that there are reasons for that (such as being told she could be setting herself up for a lawsuit, that it was best for Dylan not to publicize family dirt, etc.), but I haven't seen anything stated to support most of the "theories" I read (here and other places) by anyone who really knows the family. JMO.

 

[mck16]

What evidence?

We dont even know if what hes said is truth about that morning.
As I see it there is NO evidence at all.

What we do know is his cell phone stopped at 8 pm sunday!

Well that is pretty stupid to me if you are committing a murder to let the cell phone stop. He could easily keep texting as if he was DR right up until the next day. And if somehow it was broken committing this crime, he could have still brought it home with him and 'found' it the next morning. jmo

 

[asyousay]

IMHO , i think there is more substantial clues pointing us towards a individual closer to Dylan than a random perp .

MOO

 

[mck16]

She said that he didn't exercise his parental rights a lot during the 3 years before they moved because he was working out of the area a lot. That doesn't mean, to me, that he didn't care about him or want to see him. She never said that he NEVER saw Dylan, at least nothing I've read. When asked direct questions, her responses were that he was excited to visit his friends (not that he was dreading the trip), that MR hadn't hurt him before, but she didn't think he knew him very well, that the reason he hadn't seen him much lately was because of work, that she had no idea if he had passed (or even taken) a polygraph, but she thought it might have been inconclusive.

In fact, when asked direct questions, she hasn't really said anything derogatory about him or his relationship with Dylan. It's possible that there are reasons for that (such as being told she could be setting herself up for a lawsuit, that it was best for Dylan not to publicize family dirt, etc.), but I haven't seen anything stated to support most of the "theories" I read (here and other places) by anyone who really knows the family. JMO.

And their mutual friend Katt who started the FB page has never intimated anything bad about MR and as far as I know she is still his friend. jmo

 

[popsicle]

Well IF MR did this and IF it was premeditated how does that fit in with what we know? Or how does that differ in how he might have done things? Just curious on possible hypothetical theories. (I do believe this is an option although IMHO the less likely one)

Perhaps that's why he wouldn't let Dylan go to his friends? Perhaps that's why the phone died at 8pm? He might have been educated on how phones ping and destroyed it so no pings. It could explain no evidence in the truck (if there wasn't any). If he knew anything about forensics he would have made sure to do the deed outside the truck. What else?

This makes me wonder if they took MR's pc and if not they should have to look for any searches he may have done.

 

[Eileen730]

IMO I'm dubious about it not being premeditated if he did something because IMO according to what little info we have its too 'clean'. If this was out of the blue for whatever reason you wouldn't expect there to be so little evidence.

I think this is clean because Dylan was not at the house there is no crime scene there. Nothing happend in that truck either IMO. there is a crime scene out there but where! there are alot of places they could have pulled off the road if they were having a heated argument. what if Dylan opend the door to the truck and wanted out I wouldnt put it past him... Dad pulls over Dylan jumps out dad tossed all his things out at him leaves then dad comes back a few mins later tells him to get in the truck dylan says no Dad jumps out and grabs him.
JMO

 

[asyousay]

Well that is pretty stupid to me if you are committing a murder to let the cell phone stop. He could easily keep texting as if he was DR right up until the next day. And if somehow it was broken committing this crime, he could have still brought it home with him and 'found' it the next morning. jmo

What if it was in a fit of rage and it got broken ?

Text i have done in blue .

Teenagers have text speak and mannerisms down pat when texting and i do not believe a adult could get away with pretending to be a 13 year old boy texting .

You only have to look at the slang used by Dylan in the text to R that evening. All of it is slang.

 

[Confusion]

IMHO , i think there is more substantial clues pointing us towards a individual closer to Dylan than a random perp .

MOO

That's probably true, but there are a lot of people closer to him than a random perp (not all of them family members), so that doesn't make MR the only alternative.

 

[mck16]

What if it was in a fit of rage and it got broken ?

Text i have done in blue .

Teenagers have text speak and mannerisms down pat when texting and i do not believe a adult could get away with pretending to be a 13 year old boy texting .

You only have to look at the slang used by Dylan in the text to R that evening. All of it is slang.

It isn't slang. It is abbreviations that anyone would know or be able to figure out. jmo

 

[Eileen730]

Well that is pretty stupid to me if you are committing a murder to let the cell phone stop. He could easily keep texting as if he was DR right up until the next day. And if somehow it was broken committing this crime, he could have still brought it home with him and 'found' it the next morning. jmo

what if your with your son that you have not seen in a while and are getting pretty PO'd cause hes texting and wanting to be with his friends and not you.

what if you take his phone and smash it or toss it in the lake. cause your so PO'd
then your son says hes hates you and wants to go home.
what if ya get mad and hurt him.

Hey you already tossed the phone and you really didnt mean to murder your son
so what do ya do.... you text him! after you create the story of what happend.

Just a theory!

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Since you believe it was about hurting Elaine without solid - or any - evidence, why the insistence on solid evidence to the contrary? It seems to me that the folks giving MR the benefit of the doubt have more evidence on their side than those subtly accusing him.

really? what evidence would that be? because I hate to say it but everything comes back to the sunday night IMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

That is exactly my thinking. I really think it was too quick and too "clean" to have been rage induced. Mark had darn near 22 hours to clean up, no matter which way we look at it but if it wasn't planned and he requested the visit for sincere reasons then I really can't imagine he would have started it off on the wrong foot by showing up at the airport drunk.

Dylan wasn't a young child. He probably knew how to recognize the signs of being drunk. I'd be shocked if Elaine hadn't drilled those signs into his head and I would really expect that he would be more likely to cause a scene then willingly hop in a vehicle with his father drunk. Think about, airport security would have notified LE and they sure wouldn't have allowed Mark to drive off drunk with a child. What better way to quickly put an end to a visit Dylan reportedly had no desire to make?

People that are daily drinkers often times don't even appear to be drunk. Their bodies are so used to it. And if Dylan was used to his Dad drinking daily he probably would not have thought it odd. This doesn't however mean that their thinking or judgement is not impaired. I've known many such drunks. Long term alcoholism really messes up your thinking process.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well that is pretty stupid to me if you are committing a murder to let the cell phone stop. He could easily keep texting as if he was DR right up until the next day. And if somehow it was broken committing this crime, he could have still brought it home with him and 'found' it the next morning. jmo

Well anyone who ever watches anything about crimes on TV nowadays knows that many are solved by cell phone pings! Destroy the phone and no pings.

 

[Confusion]

People that are daily drinkers often times don't even appear to be drunk. Their bodies are so used to it. And if Dylan was used to his Dad drinking daily he probably would not have thought it odd. This doesn't however mean that their thinking or judgement is not impaired. I've known many such drunks. Long term alcoholism really messes up your thinking process.

Has anyone somewhere other than WS even suggested that MR is a drunk, alcoholic, daily drinker, or any of the other alcohol related names he's been given? If so, could you please post a link to it? TIA

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Well that is pretty stupid to me if you are committing a murder to let the cell phone stop. He could easily keep texting as if he was DR right up until the next day. And if somehow it was broken committing this crime, he could have still brought it home with him and 'found' it the next morning. jmo

IMO it would fairly impossible to text as if he was Dylan. I know my daughter really well and know a lot of the teen lingo but theres no way I could ever replicate her style of texting

 

[asyousay]

It isn't slang. It is abbreviations that anyone would know or be able to figure out. jmo

Ok so you hurt somebody and then you have time to sit down and look up text speak and abbreviations to make sure you get them right ?

Kids are now brought up on this stuff and its second nature. It is not for adults and i don't think a adult would get away with pretending to be Dylan .



We will have to agree to disagree on this

 

[SeaEclipse]

Given the circumstances (MR last to see DR, some vagueness about their last hours together, ER's accusation, etc.), I can totally understand the speculation that MR accidentally killed DR in a rage or that MR somehow died in DR's care (perhaps as a result of MR's negligence) and MR covered it up. I am baffled, however, by the speculation that MR pre-meditatedly killed DR when there is literally no evidence to suggest that he would ever do such a thing. Intentionally and pre-meditatedly killing one's own child (absent mercy-type circumstances) is incredibly rare (especially for men, actually -- though the statistics for moms normally relate to very young children) and a far cry from being a bit of a deadbeat dad.