CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #22

[jjenny]

I was not referring to relative abductions. I was referring to abductions in general where an older child was found alive after the fact (and able to be kept secreted)

Because they are abused, raped and terrorized to the point that they develop Stockholm syndrome or "learned helplessness." So that is not going to happen in relative abduction.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Huh? I missed that part. Should I have read back further or something before I involved myself in advocating for looking into past locations for MR? I had no idea there was any discussion of framing Mark or hoping he would harm himself because of it.

I heard there was talk of this somewhere but I think it was all rumors and wild speculations by some. Again, this seems far fetched.

 

[nursebeeme]

Because they are abused, raped and terrorized to the point that they develop Stockholm syndrome or "learned helplessness." So that is not going to happen in relative abduction.

again, yes, that is my point. (abduction has not been ruled out)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMHO , i think there is more substantial clues pointing us towards a individual closer to Dylan than a random perp .

MOO

How so?

I havent seen one thing showing someone closer to Dylan did this nor have I seen LE suggest that either.

imo

 

[jjenny]

again, yes, that is my point. (abduction has not been ruled out)

Stranger abduction on Monday morning doesn't exactly explain why cell phone use stopped after 8 pm on Sunday, and why Dylan was not responding to his friend texting after 8 pm on Sunday.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

For those who believe a stranger abduction is possible do you believe that Dylan would have taken his fishing pole along while trying to get to his friends in Bayfield? For me this is what makes this theory somewhat unbelievable. And to me if he was abducted from the front door of his home it's highly unlikely that the abductor would grab Dylans backpack AND fishing pole. (Because if we believe that MR didn't do it then we would have to believe that Dylan and the pole disappeared together)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

again, yes, that is my point. (abduction has not been ruled out)

It sure hasnt Nurse and its been on the table early on and is still on the table as a possibility. In fact I dont think I have read either where LE has come out and said they think Dylan has been murdered by someone he knew.

IMO

 

[SCHMAE]

I hope i am allowed to say this .


I sadly do not think it will be solved


i think too much time passed before a full out search of the house happened and too much time on the Sunday night that anything could of happened between 8pm and Monday morning.

IMO

I'm beginning to agree with you on that. I hope like heck it is solved, but
it seems it's going the other direction fast

 

[SCHMAE]

For those who believe a stranger abduction is possible do you believe that Dylan would have taken his fishing pole along while trying to get to his friends in Bayfield? For me this is what makes this theory somewhat unbelievable. And to me if he was abducted from the front door of his home it's highly unlikely that the abductor would grab Dylans backpack AND fishing pole. (Because if we believe that MR didn't do it then we would have to believe that Dylan and the pole disappeared together)

I don't believe in the tooth fairy or the fishing pole

 

[mck16]

For those who believe a stranger abduction is possible do you believe that Dylan would have taken his fishing pole along while trying to get to his friends in Bayfield? For me this is what makes this theory somewhat unbelievable. And to me if he was abducted from the front door of his home it's highly unlikely that the abductor would grab Dylans backpack AND fishing pole. (Because if we believe that MR didn't do it then we would have to believe that Dylan and the pole disappeared together)

I thought the fishiing pole was questionable. jmo

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I really have read and weighed out and been open to all options here. There's just some things I can't get past. The phone dying is a HUGE red flag to me. But there was much discussion on the fact that it could have quit, battery could have failed etc etc and I say OK lets say the battery quit. Let's say the phone was just inoperable for whatever reason but due to failure of the phone itself. Then the only way Dylan took the fishing pole (IMHO) was to go fishing until his Dad got home. Would he really take all his belongings with him and a broken cell phone? I don't think Dylan would have taken the pole and tried to head to Bayfield. So for me, even if you take the cell phone out of it the fishing pole story doesn't add up. It just doesn't.

 

[DylansMom34]

I believe the case will only be solved if something major happens (finding Dylan's body with some sort of evidence of what happened), someone slips and says something to someone, etc. I remember watching some crime show on tv where the detective said something to the effect that many times there are usually a minimum of three people who wind up knowing what happened (the victim, the perpetrator, and someone the perpetrator tells). I just hope that happens, otherwise the case will probably go cold. I think there is already some circumstantial evidence, but not enough to put together a strong enough case for a conviction. MOO

Personally IMO, nothing can be really be gleaned by anything LE has said or not said. They have not publicly ruled anyone out, they have not definitively said what happened (other than it is a criminal investigation), they have not released much of anything regarding the search warrant, lie detector tests, etc.

I guess we will continue going round and round on the same little bits of information. I do believe something happened to Dylan on Sunday night and that much of the remainder of Sunday night and Monday were spent covering the tracks. That's my opinion, it doesn't mean I don't hope to be wrong, and that I don't hope with every fiber of my being that Dylan is being held somewhere and will be found someday.

 

[asyousay]

How so?

I havent seen one thing showing someone closer to Dylan did this nor have I seen LE suggest that either.

imo

Because the story we have been told has holes in them. Some things just are not logical IMO.

Even if i rule out the phone totally for whatever reason .

Then i have Dylan that had plans with a friend that he 100% arranged and wanted to do then choose to go fishing by himself with his belongings on him when his dad was due back to pick him up .


Something does not add up in any shape or form!!!


MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I thought the fishiing pole was questionable. jmo

No, MR definitely said the pole was gone.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

For those who believe a stranger abduction is possible do you believe that Dylan would have taken his fishing pole along while trying to get to his friends in Bayfield? For me this is what makes this theory somewhat unbelievable. And to me if he was abducted from the front door of his home it's highly unlikely that the abductor would grab Dylans backpack AND fishing pole. (Because if we believe that MR didn't do it then we would have to believe that Dylan and the pole disappeared together)

The fact is we dont know if that is where he was heading at all. He may have known his dad would be gone for several hours and thought while he waited he would go fishing and be back in time when his dad got back. For all we know Dylan may have made it to the lake and a mishap happened there and because it is cold weather they just havent found his body. That is why they call those who have drowned 'spring floaters' because the water temp has to rise for them to surface.

There are many possibilities. If he was abducted by a stranger the person could have pretended he would give him a lift to wherever he wanted to go and he would put the pole in his vehicle pretending to be helpful. He certainly wouldnt leave it there on the ground to be found early on without Dylan being anywhere around.

Or he could be like many other abductors who seizes on an opportunity when it presents itself. They act very quickly and that is why so many times no one sees or hears a thing. They do it when they see a child alone with no one around. In 99% of the abduction/kidnapping cases discussed here there are no eye witnesses to the child/children being taken so there is no reason to think this case would be any different.

The perp would not leave any of Dylan's items there at the abduction point. He would make sure they were taken just like AGT made sure Sierra had her bookbag/purse and cell phone when he kidnapped her instead of leaving them scattered at the end of her driveway.

And he could have known this person by sight and mistakenly trusted him. for example if he was someone he had seen in the neighborhood before. Boys can be trusting especially of adult males and most of these guys dont look like some two headed monster either but are very unassuming and cordial to kids.

 

[jjenny]

That would be one lucky abductor. Just stumble upon a boy whose cell phone was not working.

 

[cluciano63]

I believe the case will only be solved if something major happens (finding Dylan's body with some sort of evidence of what happened), someone slips and says something to someone, etc. I remember watching some crime show on tv where the detective said something to the effect that many times there are usually a minimum of three people who wind up knowing what happened (the victim, the perpetrator, and someone the perpetrator tells). I just hope that happens, otherwise the case will probably go cold. I think there is already some circumstantial evidence, but not enough to put together a strong enough case for a conviction. MOO

Personally IMO, nothing can be really be gleaned by anything LE has said or not said. They have not publicly ruled anyone out, they have not definitively said what happened (other than it is a criminal investigation), they have not released much of anything regarding the search warrant, lie detector tests, etc.

I guess we will continue going round and round on the same little bits of information. I do believe something happened to Dylan on Sunday night and that much of the remainder of Sunday night and Monday were spent covering the tracks. That's my opinion, it doesn't mean I don't hope to be wrong, and that I don't hope with every fiber of my being that Dylan is being held somewhere and will be found someday.

I wonder if the idea of the perp telling someone else applies in the case of a child. I believe it to be far less likely that anyone would admit this willingly.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

The fact is we dont know if that is where he was heading at all. He may have known his dad would be gone for several hours and thought while he waited he would go fishing and be back in time when his dad got back. For all we know Dylan may have made it to the lake and a mishap happened there and because it is cold weather they just havent found his body. That is why they call those who have drowned 'spring floaters' because the water temp has to rise for them to surface.

There are many possibilities. If he was abducted by a stranger the person could have pretended he would give him a lift to wherever he wanted to go and he would put the pole in his vehicle pretending to be helpful. He certainly wouldnt leave it there on the ground to be found early on without Dylan being anywhere around.

Or he could be like many other abductors who seizes on an opportunity when it presents itself. They act very quickly and that is why so many times no one sees or hears a thing. They do it when they see a child alone with no one around. In 99% of the abduction/kidnapping cases discussed here there are no eye witnesses to the child/children being taken so there is no reason to think this case would be any different.

The perp would not leave any of Dylan's items there at the abduction point. He would make sure they were taken just like AGT made sure Sierra had her bookbag/purse and cell phone when he kidnapped her instead of leaving them scattered at the end of her driveway.

And he could have known this person by sight and mistakenly trusted him. for example if he was someone he had seen in the neighborhood before. Boys can be trusting especially of adult males and most of these guys dont look like some two headed monster either but are very unassuming and cordial to kids.

Ok so assuming Dylan went fishing while waiting for Dad. Why would he take all of his belongings and backpack? Including a dead phone?

 

[vasportsmom]

I don't believe in the tooth fairy or the fishing pole

You take that back! Right now!! The tooth fairy is ... well darn it, she's cute like Tinkerbell so I insist on you apologizing to her.

 

[Eileen730]

OT, but I hope it is not required to post that one hopes Dylan is found safe and alive, as I am sure that would be the preference of everyone on WS. I hope this can be assumed to be the outcome everyone would want.

But this is WS, after all, where most times, a case at this stage does not have a good ending.

You take that back! Right now!! The tooth fairy is ... well darn it, she's cute like Tinkerbell so I insist on you apologizing to her.

Oh you mean its not that big wrestler The Rock ?
Was that his name?
The big guy in a tutu and tights!