CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #24

[aust amateur slueth]

Please state what you are referring to. tia

There's a patch of red. Could be blood or it could be spray paint for marking sewer lines. Or something else entirely.

Thanks Paul

mck16 I didn't want to assume what it was, just to see if anyone noticed what was there.

 

[Chili Fries]

I'm curious as to where this pic was taken too. Why do you think it could be below the dam?

Because that wall you see in the back of the picture looks like a dam - the top is very level, so it appears to be a man-made structure. I lived in CO for a long time so it's what first came to my mind. The question is whether it is actually Vallecito Lake dam or a pic of some other reservoir that got put with the article by mistake. The only reason why I'd question whether it's Vallecito Lake or not is because you don't see the fir trees that populate the mountain areas in the pic. It could just be a pic of Cherry Creek or Chatfield, or some other Denver area/Front Range dam, far from Vallecito (it is a Colorado Springs newspaper) mistakenly put with the article.

 

[mck16]

Thanks Paul

mck16 I didn't want to assume what it was, just to see if anyone noticed what was there.

I am not sure but I think dried blood would not be bright red, unless it was fresh blood. jmo

 

[jjenny]

I am not sure but I think dried blood would not be bright red, unless it was fresh blood. jmo

Blood turns brown when it dries. So I agree it's likely not blood.
And if they had that much blood, they wouldn't be saying Dylan still might be alive anyway.

 

[MissSunshine]

Just wanted to chime in. The pic that was posted is shown with an article from July 2012.

http://thesidebar.freedomblogging.com/2012/07/26/deputy-sues-calhan-farmer-over-attack/8190/

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I am not sure but I think dried blood would not be bright red, unless it was fresh blood. jmo

scratch that the picture is not related to Dylans case

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well I am curious if this is just a 'standard pic' that the reporter had or a pic relating to Dylan specifically. I zoomed in on the pic a little and see the red spot and also a white truck on the right side and what looks like a small house or little shack but I don't see the wall. LE would not put up crime tape everywhere they search. I'm thinking this could be a staging area when the divers were out searching the lake maybe? I wonder if someone could email the reporter and ask them where this pic was taken?

Mystery solved. Pic is not related to Dylan.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Just wanted to chime in. The pic that was posted is shown with an article from July 2012.

http://thesidebar.freedomblogging.com/2012/07/26/deputy-sues-calhan-farmer-over-attack/8190/

Thank you!! That solves it. Just a standard pic they use.

 

[PaulR]

Just wanted to chime in. The pic that was posted is shown with an article from July 2012.

http://thesidebar.freedomblogging.com/2012/07/26/deputy-sues-calhan-farmer-over-attack/8190/

Nice sleuthing!

And for all we know, that picture has been around a few years and newspapers keep re-using it for some reason.

 

[OneLove]

The police have clearly stated no one has been ruled out.

In fact they were asked about the poly Elaine took and they refuse to comment on those results as well.

I think if Mark Redwine wasnt following all the rules then LE wouldnt say he continues to cooperate.

IMO

The one thing we do know is that LE can and do lie, legally, if it fits their objectives and strategy. We have seen it over and over and over and over and over and over. Attorneys have told their clients that and told us here at WS that. I believe what LE says doesn't mean a thing. I know that every case is a new creature of its own and we tend to want to, once agin, believe what we are fed without remembering this truth. But it is what it is.

I completely dismiss any official comments from anyone in any capacity when it comes to who is suspect or cleared. Even if LE 'says' a person is cleared, that person can certainly still be arrested and charged for that very crime.

I also would not assume that the comment 'continues to cooperate' necessarily means that he is fully and completely cooperating nor does it mean he is 'following all the rules'. In fact, what all the rules actually are is in question itself.

Jennifer Kesse's father was said to be a wonderful dad, cooperative, and not suspect in any way, and yet he walked out on his poly without completing it, as far as I remember. I believe he publicly expressed his outrage that he was asked certain questions and that they had waited so long after her disappearance to poly him. I believe the father also did not want his son, Jennifer's brother who, I think, had stayed in her condo with friends just before she disappeared, polygraphed either. :what:

LE can say anything they want to say in an investigation. Therefore I don't lend much credibility to anything they say. But I have a great deal of respect for the process of solving crimes.

MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I have found that rather than out and out lie LE often play on words. Their statements are very well thought out and the exact wording is crucial. You don't know how many times after we know the truth in a case, I think 'well that's not what LE said' and when I go back and read it, it's exactly what they said...or they were vague or they worded it in a way that it could mean several things.

 

[i8mypaint]

I have found that rather than out and out lie LE often play on words. Their statements are very well thought out and the exact wording is crucial. You don't know how many times after we know the truth in a case, I think 'well that's not what LE said' and when I go back and read it, it's exactly what they said...or they were vague or they worded it in a way that it could mean several things.

I learned with JR's case to read in between the lines with LE.
I'm still here, hoping for good news.

 

[jjenny]

Nice sleuthing!

And for all we know, that picture has been around a few years and newspapers keep re-using it for some reason.

I guess that spot could very well be fresh blood-just from some other unrelated case.

 

[mmmagique]

Why? :waitasec: There would be plenty of time for them to discuss what they were going to do. Thanksgiving wasn't until Thursday.

Because if they're going to stay home, they'd need to buy and thaw a turkey. If they were going to visit someone, they'd need to let them know. And most people plan for Thanksgiving, even if they just plan to go out. If you want to go someplace besides Denny's or Golden Corral, it's highly recommended you have ressies, or you're not getting in.

 

[mck16]

Just wanted to chime in. The pic that was posted is shown with an article from July 2012.

http://thesidebar.freedomblogging.com/2012/07/26/deputy-sues-calhan-farmer-over-attack/8190/

Good for you. I was thinking that but didn't know how to find it. Thanks. jmo

 

[mmmagique]

What is the significance in the two questions? I am not seeing any relativity. jmo

I believe we're allowed to discuss what was "normal" for them and what may (or may not) have been unusual. I'm interested in it, anyway.

 

[OneLove]

I feel the same way. At least to have discussed possibilities with Dylan in a conversation before he arrived, so Dylan would have something to look forward to. Did he even talk with Dylan by phone with any regularity?

Given the options MR says he had considered for Thanksgiving Day, I'd love to know 2 things:

1). Did he have any history at all of cooking and nourishing family members, especially his children? Did he cook for himself? Did he have groceries in the house for Dylan when Dylan arrived? I'd like to know whether he prepared for Dylan's visit or spent his time stewed in anger over the delay in Dylan getting there.

2). Was he even invited to come to his brother's house with Dylan for Thanksgiving? Had he even discussed with his brother doing this? Had he EVER had Thanksgiving with his brother within the past 10 years or so?

To answer mck16's question on relevance:

In my opinion, if MR did not have any groceries in the house for Dylan's weeklong visit, especially having had an extra day to prepare, it says to me he did not have much focus on Dylan's wellbeing or happiness. How happy would it make a kid to arrive for a visitation he did not want to do in the first place only to find he was isolated and there wasn't even food to eat in the house and he had no way to get to a place WITH food? Well, unless he immediately went to stay with other families that DID do things like feed their kids and kids' friends! Also, if MR stewed in anger over the flight delay and he has a history of bad actions when angry, I'd consider that VERY relevant, especially if its combined with signs that he didn't prepare for Dylan's weeklong visit. If there were few groceries the night Dylan arrived, did he bring back groceries with him from his errands in town on Monday?

On the second point, in my opinion, if MR never had a prior discussion with his brother at all about spending a day driving to his house to spend Thanksgiving with him, then I think it very unlikely that was ever in his mind at all. I would consider the possibility that he pulled that out of his hat after the fact when asked what plans they had simply to cover for the fact that there WERE no plans. That could 'possibly' be a cover also for why only a one way flight was purchased, if that is even true. I have wondered about that issue since MR's interview in the video store where he began to discuss flights but the video was shut off before he finished. If there was NO return flight, and there was NO communication with his brother about coming for Thanksgiving, I'd consider that VERY relevant to his mindset. It's not a given, but certainly 'leans' toward suspect.

There are always ways to explain why any of these factors are 'innocent', I'm well aware of that, and I agree to that. I just try to keep in mind the odds or likelihood of things. If it quacks like a duck, it 'usually' is a duck. But not always. Hence some suspects walk free until there is enough evidence to charge them.

All my opinion only.

 

[mck16]

I believe we're allowed to discuss what was "normal" for them and what may (or may not) have been unusual. I'm interested in it, anyway.

You can discuss anything (almost) you want. I was just asking because there is nothing that says you have to have turkey on Thanksgiving. As a matter of fact my sons do not like turkey so we usually cook steaks on the grill or even hamburgers. I didn't mean anything with my question it is just that you can't make assumptions or accusations based on turkey dinner or what is in anyone's fridge. At least I hope not. jmo

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

There was only a one way flight purchased? Or possibly?

I don't find it odd at all that there were no specific plans for Thanksgiving. I don't think that's strange for a man. Maybe he was going to wait and see what Dylan wanted to do and maybe he was even thinking one of Dylan's friends might invite them over. Or if nothing else they could go out to eat. It's possible that MR wasn't accustomed to really doing anything on Thanksgiving. Especially if he didn't really have family or close friends around.

 

[mck16]

To answer mck16's question on relevance:

In my opinion, if MR did not have any groceries in the house for Dylan's weeklong visit, especially having had an extra day to prepare, it says to me he did not have much focus on Dylan's wellbeing or happiness. How happy would it make a kid to arrive for a visitation he did not want to do in the first place only to find he was isolated and there wasn't even food to eat in the house and he had no way to get to a place WITH food? Well, unless he immediately went to stay with other families that DID do things like feed their kids and kids' friends! Also, if MR stewed in anger over the flight delay and he has a history of bad actions when angry, I'd consider that VERY relevant, especially if its combined with signs that he didn't prepare for Dylan's weeklong visit. If there were few groceries the night Dylan arrived, did he bring back groceries with him from his errands in town on Monday?

On the second point, in my opinion, if MR never had a prior discussion with his brother at all about spending a day driving to his house to spend Thanksgiving with him, then I think it very unlikely that was ever in his mind at all. I would consider the possibility that he pulled that out of his hat after the fact when asked what plans they had simply to cover for the fact that there WERE no plans. That could 'possibly' be a cover also for why only a one way flight was purchased, if that is even true. I have wondered about that issue since MR's interview in the video store where he began to discuss flights but the video was shut off before he finished. If there was NO return flight, and there was NO communication with his brother about coming for Thanksgiving, I'd consider that VERY relevant to his mindset. It's not a given, but certainly 'leans' toward suspect.


There are always ways to explain why any of these factors are 'innocent', I'm well aware of that, and I agree to that. I just try to keep in mind the odds or likelihood of things. If it quacks like a duck, it 'usually' is a duck. But not always. Hence some suspects walk free until there is enough evidence to charge them.

All my opinion only.

I believe it was reported that grocery shopping was the reason for going to Walmart. And we have no idea that MR never had a prior discussion about coming for Thanksgiving with his brother or anyone. However in my family that would not have even been necessary. I can call and say we are on the way and that would have been quite okay. jmo