CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #24

[OneLove]

You can discuss anything (almost) you want. I was just asking because there is nothing that says you have to have turkey on Thanksgiving. As a matter of fact my sons do not like turkey so we usually cook steaks on the grill or even hamburgers. I didn't mean anything with my question it is just that you can't make assumptions or accusations based on turkey dinner or what is in anyone's fridge. At least I hope not. jmo

I'd love to know if MR had steaks for the grill or even hamburgers!!

 

[mmmagique]

You can discuss anything (almost) you want. I was just asking because there is nothing that says you have to have turkey on Thanksgiving. As a matter of fact my sons do not like turkey so we usually cook steaks on the grill or even hamburgers. I didn't mean anything with my question it is just that you can't make assumptions or accusations based on turkey dinner or what is in anyone's fridge. At least I hope not. jmo

He acted like T-day was important to him.
He fought for Thanksgiving visitation even though Dylan wanted to be with his dying grandmother.
He claimed to have some sort of unresolved plans for thanksgiving, he just didn't know what they were yet.
Either Thanksgiving was important to him or it was not. I would think if it was not, he would have let Dylan be with his other family, and he'd catch him later. If it was important, I would imagine he would have made some sort of plans on what they were going to do.
Some say it was "only Monday", so it's not surprising they didn't have their Thanksgiving plans firmed up. I find that to be unusual. Especially since it was so big of a deal, he fought for this visitation.
Most of us plan for this at least a week in advance. Many much more in advance.

 

[OneLove]

I believe it was reported that grocery shopping was the reason for going to Walmart. And we have no idea that MR never had a prior discussion about coming for Thanksgiving with his brother or anyone. However in my family that would not have even been necessary. I can call and say we are on the way and that would have been quite okay. jmo

Understood. So I'd like to know what groceries they got at Walmart. It was not a very long trip, Walmart-wise. What groceries were bought has never been revealed. I'd like to know. It's relevant, IMO. Maybe that's even why it has never been revealed. What groceries were in the house? What groceries were bought Monday in town, if any? It's relevant, IMO.

It's very nice for you that you have family relationships that allow drop-in unannounced guests for Thanksgiving without it being considered rude, entitled, or crossing boundaries. Truly. I mean that. Good family support means so much for both mental wellbeing AND physical health. Did MR have that kind of relationship with his siblings? The only thing I think I remember reading is that they were not close and did not see each other often. But that could have been incorrect ; I don't know. I'm open to the possibilities. That's why I want to know. . It's very relevant, IMO.

 

[Skbale]

To answer mck16's question on relevance:

In my opinion, if MR did not have any groceries in the house for Dylan's weeklong visit, especially having had an extra day to prepare, it says to me he did not have much focus on Dylan's wellbeing or happiness. How happy would it make a kid to arrive for a visitation he did not want to do in the first place only to find he was isolated and there wasn't even food to eat in the house and he had no way to get to a place WITH food? Well, unless he immediately went to stay with other families that DID do things like feed their kids and kids' friends! Also, if MR stewed in anger over the flight delay and he has a history of bad actions when angry, I'd consider that VERY relevant, especially if its combined with signs that he didn't prepare for Dylan's weeklong visit. If there were few groceries the night Dylan arrived, did he bring back groceries with him from his errands in town on Monday?

I would think it would make sense that MR would want the shopping input from DR. It is not like they spent a great deal of time together and he wouldn't know what DR would necessarily like.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I agree that MR would probably want Dylan there while shopping so he could pick out things he wanted. And Durango is about a 45 minute drive so it would make sense to me that he planned to do all that while he was there picking Dylan up from the airport rather than making a special trip.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

And the fact is we have no idea what food MR may or may not have had at the house already. His fridge could have been fully stocked but he wanted to stop at Walmart and let Dylan pick out some things that he wanted.

 

[Skbale]

There was talk a few pages ago about cell reception at MR house. There are many variables to signal strength. Along with the different and incompateable technologies of CDMA vs. GSM there is also the older analog technology. One of the benefits of analog was the increased reception area from a tower. Most cell companies have tried to abandon anolog in favor of digital, becuase it decreases their operating cost and can support more features (like data). DR's older clam phone might of suported both analog and digtal while most newer phones are digital only. Verizon also operates in two frequency spreads 800 MHz and 1900 MHz. Areas with 800 MHz tend to have better cell coverage because of the more dense frequency.

Hope that helps explain a little more as to why someone gets cell service and someone does not.

 

[OneLove]

To answer mck16's question on relevance:

I would think it would make sense that MR would want the shopping input from DR. It is not like they spent a great deal of time together and he wouldn't know what DR would necessarily like.

Understood and agreed. That's why I'd like to know if MR had any conversation with Dylan before his flight. You know, like " what would you like to have around the house to eat and drink while you're here, buddy? I'm sure looking forward to seeing you." And if not, what groceries did they get at Walmart after Dylan's arrival? What groceries were in the house? In other words, was there any appearance at all that MR was prepared to have a 13 year old son visiting for a week? If not groceries before arrival, or from Walmart after arrival, what groceries did he bring from that 45 minute drive back Monday morning?

Also, my understanding is that they had recently done a big fun trip together out of state. I would think, as a 'caring' parent, MR would have had plenty of opportunity to get to know what Dylan liked? It would be hard to NOT notice that.

But the key word here might be 'caring'. There are parents and then there are parents. Donating sperm is the easy part.

 

[cluciano63]

IMO, it is pretty sad that going on eight weeks since this child vanished, so little is heard from LE or the family that we have to debate Thanksgiving entrees.

 

[OneLove]

And the fact is we have no idea what food MR may or may not have had at the house already. His fridge could have been fully stocked but he wanted to stop at Walmart and let Dylan pick out some things that he wanted.

I sure do keep in mind that this is possible! I hope it is. I'd love to know. I'd like to know that Dylan was loved, cherished and cared for by his father rather than being a weapon caught in the crossfire.

 

[ThePhantom]

Please forgive me if this has already been asked, but are there any further searched planned for this month?

Also, it is safe to assume that in an investigation like this extended family members and friends have been interviewed? is that part of what the FBI does?

And, does anyone know if police depts throughout the country would have Dylan's image and pertinent details about his case?

Thanks.

 

[OneLove]

IMO, it is pretty sad that going on eight weeks since this child vanished, so little is heard from LE or the family that we have to debate Thanksgiving entrees.

In my mind, my questions aren't concerning Thanksgiving entrees, they are simply availability of food for a 13 year old to eat while he is staying with his dad in an isolated location.

Concerning Thanksgiving specifically, I really don't care WHAT they eat, just that they DO eat and that there was care for Dylan involved in the planning for that.

And yes, I know some people have pointed out that some "men" just don't pay attention to those basic needs. I fortunately have know many men who do; they are quite caring and nurturing. Maybe that is why I notice the difference between nurturing and indifference. We don't know which way MR leaned, if there was a leaning at all. I'd love to know though.

Any behaviors MR exhibited that point to his being a caring and loving father would be MOST welcome.

 

[absentia]

I thought he said they had talked about going to Mark's brothers for Thanksgiving.

I know some families that go out and eat at a restaurant on Thanksgiving Day. I doubt single guys put on a big spread or even cook that day. So many places are open on Thanksgiving now where people can go out to eat.

IMO - the fact the DR went missing immediately (and not a situation where he just didn't return home at the end of the trip) and that there were no def T'day plans indicates it was premeditated. Maybe it was done immediately so that the perp didn't lose his nerve (by spending too much time with DR and feeling too bonded to make him disappear).

 

[Bravo]

So still nothing new :waitasec: Where are you Dylan:waitasec:

 

[lillygator]

He acted like T-day was important to him.
He fought for Thanksgiving visitation even though Dylan wanted to be with his dying grandmother.
He claimed to have some sort of unresolved plans for thanksgiving, he just didn't know what they were yet.
Either Thanksgiving was important to him or it was not. I would think if it was not, he would have let Dylan be with his other family, and he'd catch him later. If it was important, I would imagine he would have made some sort of plans on what they were going to do.
Some say it was "only Monday", so it's not surprising they didn't have their Thanksgiving plans firmed up. I find that to be unusual. Especially since it was so big of a deal, he fought for this visitation.
Most of us plan for this at least a week in advance. Many much more in advance.

IMO I doubt thanksgiving was important to him, I would bet he was doing it to get back at his ex. Prior to this visit has it been established how often Dylan went to see his father?

IMO - the fact the DR went missing immediately (and not a situation where he just didn't return home at the end of the trip) and that there were no def T'day plans indicates it was premeditated. Maybe it was done immediately so that the perp didn't lose his nerve (by spending too much time with DR and feeling too bonded to make him disappear).

I have to agree here.

 

[absentia]

I wonder how much food was purchased at Walmart. Was it enough for a man and a boy for a week including T'day, or was it just to get through a day or so? That would shed light on intent/premeditation.

Weird that, since MR had an extra day to prepare for DR's arrival, after the Sat night flight got delayed, that MR had not done any food shopping for the boy's visit until he actually arrived.

 

[NC Analyzer]

IMO - the fact the DR went missing immediately (and not a situation where he just didn't return home at the end of the trip) and that there were no def T'day plans indicates it was premeditated. Maybe it was done immediately so that the perp didn't lose his nerve (by spending too much time with DR and feeling too bonded to make him disappear).

I admit I've cast my doubts on MR throughout this case but I've sat on the fence regarding premeditation. Your last sentence really hits home. Sudden light flash...right across the forehead.

 

[Confusion]

It was said somewhere on here as far as I remember that there was no sheets on the bed .

I've only seen that said (repeatedly) here and in comments on fb. I haven't read anything from a reliable source who said it, or even thought it would matter since he didn't sleep in the bed. MOO

Because if they're going to stay home, they'd need to buy and thaw a turkey. If they were going to visit someone, they'd need to let them know. And most people plan for Thanksgiving, even if they just plan to go out. If you want to go someplace besides Denny's or Golden Corral, it's highly recommended you have ressies, or you're not getting in.

My sons and I stayed home many years on Thanksgiving, and almost never had a turkey. I have many times had invitations for holidays and only gave a tentative answer until a couple days ahead of time, and I've never needed reservations for dinner at Denny's or any other restaurant in this area.

To answer mck16's question on relevance:

In my opinion, if MR did not have any groceries in the house for Dylan's weeklong visit, especially having had an extra day to prepare, it says to me he did not have much focus on Dylan's wellbeing or happiness. How happy would it make a kid to arrive for a visitation he did not want to do in the first place only to find he was isolated and there wasn't even food to eat in the house and he had no way to get to a place WITH food? Well, unless he immediately went to stay with other families that DID do things like feed their kids and kids' friends! Also, if MR stewed in anger over the flight delay and he has a history of bad actions when angry, I'd consider that VERY relevant, especially if its combined with signs that he didn't prepare for Dylan's weeklong visit. If there were few groceries the night Dylan arrived, did he bring back groceries with him from his errands in town on Monday?

On the second point, in my opinion, if MR never had a prior discussion with his brother at all about spending a day driving to his house to spend Thanksgiving with him, then I think it very unlikely that was ever in his mind at all. I would consider the possibility that he pulled that out of his hat after the fact when asked what plans they had simply to cover for the fact that there WERE no plans. That could 'possibly' be a cover also for why only a one way flight was purchased, if that is even true. I have wondered about that issue since MR's interview in the video store where he began to discuss flights but the video was shut off before he finished. If there was NO return flight, and there was NO communication with his brother about coming for Thanksgiving, I'd consider that VERY relevant to his mindset. It's not a given, but certainly 'leans' toward suspect.

<SNIP>

I see absolutely nothing suspicious about him getting groceries that day. He had been working out of the area and had returned just for the visit, from what I remember reading. I think it makes more sense to buy the groceries when he went to pick him up so he could pick things he liked than it would to buy it all before he left to work away from home for weeks and have it be rotten when he got home, or to make a special 2+ hour trip the night before to go to the same place the night before.

I believe we're allowed to discuss what was "normal" for them and what may (or may not) have been unusual. I'm interested in it, anyway.

My understanding is that we're allowed to discuss what's in MSM and public records, and what's written on FMDR FB page (other than comments), but not rumors, accusations or speculations without foundation posted in one of those places. I could be wrong, but I've read and understood it that way several times. MOO

There was talk a few pages ago about cell reception at MR house. There are many variables to signal strength. Along with the different and incompateable technologies of CDMA vs. GSM there is also the older analog technology. One of the benefits of analog was the increased reception area from a tower. Most cell companies have tried to abandon anolog in favor of digital, becuase it decreases their operating cost and can support more features (like data). DR's older clam phone might of suported both analog and digtal while most newer phones are digital only. Verizon also operates in two frequency spreads 800 MHz and 1900 MHz. Areas with 800 MHz tend to have better cell coverage because of the more dense frequency.

Hope that helps explain a little more as to why someone gets cell service and someone does not.

Again, could you please provide a link to that in case I need to use it later? Thanks

 

[Confusion]

Please forgive me if this has already been asked, but are there any further searched planned for this month?

Also, it is safe to assume that in an investigation like this extended family members and friends have been interviewed? is that part of what the FBI does?

And, does anyone know if police depts throughout the country would have Dylan's image and pertinent details about his case?

Thanks.

On the FB page, the admin has said that any money in the account that hasn't been used for searches and thing already or put aside for the reward, and all future money collected, will be put into a new account to be used for a foundation in his name. It sounded like there would be no further searching done by them. MOO

 

[rebeccaeee]

FMDR FB page shared a video link on Saturday to a youtube vid done of the search. In it, Dylan's good friends are shown at the end discussing the text messages, timleine, etc and they share the now infamous story of Dylan hitching a ride home for them from the library in the snow. What is important is that they say this is the ONLY time they have seen him hitch.