CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #26

[The Cheese]

I agree. I think Elaine tried to politely deflect at first, but NG wsn't having it. So ER was kind of forced to tell the truth on camera. JMO

If that was possible, I think police everywhere would be using that 'technique'.

 

[asyousay]

I agree. I think Elaine tried to politely deflect at first, but NG wsn't having it. So ER was kind of forced to tell the truth on camera. JMO

Yep she clearly got backed into a corner IMO

 

[LauraT]

Haha boofa refers to chubby / big :blushing: but she is incredibly beautiful I'm so smitten. I now know what it means to 'wear your heart on the outside of your body' :blushing:


Thank you everyone

I think boofa must be another one of those Aussie slang words as I hear it all the time. Congratulations she is beautiful

 

[absentia]

Yes, if I could remember how too. :blushing:

good luck to be able to remember anything anymore! I'm 3 years out and still can't remember things very well.

 

[absentia]

I guess my point is not coming across. I think Elaine was telling the truth when she talked to the producers. I don't think she wanted to discuss this on camera but since she had already told the producers, she didn't want to lie to NG. So she tried to deflect and avoid answering it until she was nailed down by NG's comment of 'didn't you tell our producers...'

JMHO and it doesn't really matter anyways does it? Unless we hear about it from LE themselves it is meaningless.

i totally agree.

 

[TxLady2]

IMO Elaine was not confused about the polygraph results when talking about it on NG. She appeared to have been put on the spot and was trying to 'avoid' answering the question. It would make complete sense if she told the producers this info before the show but also told them she didn't want to talk about it on camera. But we all know how NG is. Pushy as hell!!

Sorry, I disagree. She could have just said she could not talk about it, or did not know. She gave 3 or 4 different answers.
I do agree Nancy can be pushy but all it takes is a firm "No, I cannot talk about that."

 

[katydid23]

Sorry, I disagree. She could have just said she could not talk about it, or did not know. She gave 3 or 4 different answers.
I do agree Nancy can be pushy but all it takes is a firm "No, I cannot talk about that."

When MR says questionable stuff, people give him a pass by saying he was probably in shock, he was grieving, missing his son. So does ER get that same benefit of the doubt?

 

[katydid23]

If that was possible, I think police everywhere would be using that 'technique'.

They do.

But being LIVE on camera on national television in front of millions of people does add an extra pressure to the interview, imo.

 

[Seajay]

This case is dying. Very little activity in the past few days. That's sad. There needs to be new information or a break in this case. JMO, MOO, whatever.

 

[The Cheese]

When MR says questionable stuff, people give him a pass by saying he was probably in shock, he was grieving, missing his son. So does ER get that same benefit of the doubt?

She does by me.

 

[The Cheese]

They do.

But being LIVE on camera on national television in front of millions of people does add an extra pressure to the interview, imo.

If they did, and it was possible to 'force someone to tell the truth', then logically, the police would have forced all the criminals to tell the truth.

Yes, I too think being live on camera adds a level of stress for most people. I don't think it forces anyone to tell the truth.

 

[katydid23]

If they did, and it was possible to 'force someone to tell the truth', then logically, the police would have forced all the criminals to tell the truth.

Yes, I too think being live on camera adds a level of stress for most people. I don't think it forces anyone to tell the truth.

I probably chose the wrong word when I said 'force.'

But what you are describing with the cops interrogating and what NG did are DIFFERENT situations.

I think that ER already told NG's producer that MR did not pass his first poly. So then when she tried not to answer that question on live tv, NG pushed and pushed. But she already knew the answer and ER had already admitted it once.

That is different from what you are saying, about cops being able to 'force' the truth out of someone. jmo

 

[Tennlyn]

I probably chose the wrong word when I said 'force.'

But what you are describing with the cops interrogating and what NG did are DIFFERENT situations.

I think that ER already told NG's producer that MR did not pass his first poly. So then when she tried not to answer that question on live tv, NG pushed and pushed. But she already knew the answer and ER had already admitted it once.

That is different from what you are saying, about cops being able to 'force' the truth out of someone. jmo

The problem is, I think Elaine is basically an honest person. So it wasn't difficult for NG, a former prosecuting attorney, to get ER to admit the truth.

Most criminals are comfortable with lying.

 

[OtherEyes]

Haha boofa refers to chubby / big :blushing: but she is incredibly beautiful I'm so smitten. I now know what it means to 'wear your heart on the outside of your body' :blushing:


Thank you everyone

Oh FruitTingles!!!! She is absolutely Beautiful!!!! Congratulations... Now you will truly understand the meaning of pure love and joy from this little one! Blessings to you and yours!:cheerful:
:Welcome1: to our world beautiful girl!:baby:

 

[raine1212]

FruitTingles..congrats she is adorable..I am so glad everything went well.. You have an angel from heaven. Hugs Raine

 

[sunni]

While watching Lt.Joe Kenda on ID last night, he said a few things that I totally agree with and had forgotten.

He was talking about teens and how their first rule is to never 'rat' out anyone...and that parents/LE are the enemy.

If (as per fb rumor) IF Dylan was truly upset about various things in his life and was truly planning to run away, could he have a friend/friends that would cover for him...no matter what?

I remember when I was young, I had a few friends whose parents I thought were 'cool'. We could do anything there and their parents actually encouraged it.

I could see those parents 'hiding' me out if I ran away and it made them look 'cool'.

Later in life, I realised they never cared about anything or anyone (not even their own kids), they just wanted to be the cool parents.

Most of their kids ended up in trouble with the law or worse.


IDK, just can't see how Dylan could just go poof, w/o a trace that we know of.

And, it is sad that we went from so many posts to only one page to have to catch up on.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Maybe not, but she did seem confused on NG whether he passed or failed or it was inconclusive or whether he had taken another one, or even if he had been asked to take another one or not. She apparently had told the producer one thing before the show, and then said she didn't say that, IIRC.

I don't think she was told by LE, there would be no reason for them to tell her his results, since they are divorced. So that leaves the option that either Mark told someone else who relayed it to Elaine or Corey, or he told her himself, which I doubt, since both have stated that they don't communicate.

The thing is, LE might tell someone they failed a poly or that it was inconclusive, but that is to gauge that person's reaction. Which leaves me with the conclusion that even IF someone told her he refused to take another one, that information may not be correct. IOW, she may trust her source, but that source may not know for certain, either way.

If the FBI administered those polys, they are not going to share the results with anyone except the detectives working the case, I am almost positive of that. FBI are very tight-lipped with details like that.

To a point I disagree in that ESPECIALLY WITH inconclusive results to a LDT they are much more often than not very open with the person about the inconclusive result..mainly due to the fact that LE's NUMBER 1, TOP CONCERN at that point in time is to as soon as possible have the individual sit for another LDT in order for LE to hopefully get a more accurate read on the individual as to clear up the "inconclusive" areas of the test..to get a more accurate read on is the individual in fact being honest, or is there in fact deception, and if so to attempt to get a pin point on what specific areas of questioning it is that the individual appears to being deceptive on..

So, due to the extreme importance of what this tool is to investigators they want to ASAP have a conclusive read on the individual be it deception or honesty and its because of this that ESPECIALLY with invonclusive LDT results AND ESPECIALLY if the individual is the person last known to be with the victim before the "disappearance"..these crucial issues lead to LE being totally upfront with the individual about their results being "inconclusive"..

IMO that's exactly what happened in this case with MR and LE immediately letting him know its inconclusive and what is the soonest convenience for MR to sit for another LDT..thus this is exactly how ELAINE AND CORY likely learned of the results..maybe it was immediately by the mutual family friend who especially in the beginning was speaking regularly with both ER AND MR.. as time has passed I personally can definitely understand and sympathize with Cory's seeming visceral reaction to his father not following up with the second LDT that IMO LE more than made it known to MR how imperative and crucial this was to the investigation..

MOO is that LE is especially forthcoming with results when they are inconclusive simply due what critical issues will remain all the more totally unclear until the individual agrees to take a second LDT (Which I above IMO in too great of detail described are the issues of which LE are left to hang in the wind not knowing when this situation presents itself in the initial stages of such an extremely important case)

IMO Elaine was not confused about the polygraph results when talking about it on NG. She appeared to have been put on the spot and was trying to 'avoid' answering the question. It would make complete sense if she told the producers this info before the show but also told them she didn't want to talk about it on camera. But we all know how NG is. Pushy as hell!!

I heard ER speak on the Nancy Grace show as well -- she stated MR's polygraph tests were "inconclusive." I think Nancy went into lawyer grill mode and spooked ER. I know it gave me pause -- I felt bad for ER.

ITA with both you and Psychic Sleuth as to what I personally saw and heard for myself from ER on NG.

Elaine wasn't sure about anything regarding MR's poly. She wasn't even sure if he'd taken one.

GRACE: Elaine, you have taken and passed a police polygraph, is that correct?

REDWINE: Yes.

GRACE: And what kind of questions did they ask you?

REDWINE: You know, just basic questions, just trying to see if I was a good candidate for the polygraph.

GRACE: What do you know about the father`s polygraph?

REDWINE: You know, I don`t know much. I know that, you know, everyone is encouraging him to take that. So hopefully, he will do that soon so we can get him out of the picture, and you know, focus on where Dylan is.

GRACE: Has the father taken a polygraph?

REDWINE: You know, I`m not sure. I know he`s been asked to.

GRACE: Do you know if he took it?

REDWINE: I do not at this time, no.

GRACE: Is it your understanding that he`s failed a polygraph?

REDWINE: No, I don`t think he failed a polygraph. You know, I don`t know the specifics behind that. I don`t think he necessarily failed. But you know, I don`t have any information on that. So it`s real -- it`s real tough for me to answer that question.

GRACE: Elaine, when you were speaking earlier to our producers, you mentioned it was your understanding that he had failed a polygraph.

REDWINE: No, I didn`t say he had failed the polygraph.

GRACE: OK. Good. I`m glad you can clarify that. So what is your understanding, then?

REDWINE: I think it was inconclusive.

GRACE: Is he being asked to take another?

REDWINE: I believe so, yes, he is.

Thanks for posting this for direct reference!

I didn't see any hammering. In fact, I was surprised at how gentle NG was with ER. It was so unusual it stood out to me.

The way I determine if someone doesn't want to talk about something is if they say they don't want to talk about it, can't talk about it, have no comment on it, are not going to talk about it, I'm sorry I can't hear you, etc. or if they say nothing at all.

The way I determine if someone wants to talk about something, is if they talk about it.

:twocents: :twocents: :twocents:

Well I believe certainly all, or atleast the majority would more than agree that NG's way of speaking, handling, and questioning her "guests" is far, far different than how you, I, or anyone else here would speak to, handle, or ask questions of another human being..:twocents::twocents:

As they say, if you tell the truth then you don't have to worry about being inconsistent.

Sorry, IMO many are not at all seeing inconsistentcy WRT ER and NG's dialogue..and IMO most agree as to what was seen/heard from ER on NG show..apparent IMO by the ongoing discussion regarding this particular subject.jmo.

I guess my point is not coming across. I think Elaine was telling the truth when she talked to the producers. I don't think she wanted to discuss this on camera but since she had already told the producers, she didn't want to lie to NG. So she tried to deflect and avoid answering it until she was nailed down by NG's comment of 'didn't you tell our producers...'

JMHO and it doesn't really matter anyways does it? Unless we hear about it from LE themselves it is meaningless.

I respectfully, yet strongly disagree with your above statement, Psychic Sleuth.. IMO you have made extremely clear exactly what your personal take(ie. Personal opinion) is on what was seen/heard from ER on NG.. and IMO you are far from alone in what you came away with after having seen and/or heard this specific dialogue between NG and ER..

As usual you in an extremely diplomatic, respectful, and articulate way have gone about sharing your opinion and personal "take" on this subject just like you do in all subjects of which you choose to discuss and post about here. And it is exactly this as to why even when we have opposing views/opinions or disagree altogether..nonetheless I always read as well as respect what you have to say in each of your posts. Thank you.

 

[Seajay]

I have to wonder how thrilled Dylan really was about leaving Bayfield, his friends and his school behind. What teenaged kid really does like moving away from everything they've known??? None that I know of, yet I know kids have to do it all the time.

I don't see what Dylan would be so happy about, leaving all he's known to go off to another school and have to start all over. I know what the Mom said, but parents tell themselves those kinds of things all the time to feel better about the decisions they make, ya know??

One thing everyone agreed on was that Dylan was excited to see his friends in Bayfield. He had been there in September and was back in November.

I just got to thinking about how happy Dylan really was with the new situation he was in. MOO

 

[Amster]

Haha boofa refers to chubby / big :blushing: but she is incredibly beautiful I'm so smitten. I now know what it means to 'wear your heart on the outside of your body' :blushing:


Thank you everyone

Congratulations!! She is adorable...:heartbeat:

 

[scorekeeper]

Dylan has been gone close to 2 months.
I don't think we have had a word from LE this year.

And the saddest is that there are 11 members on the page and 7 guests (I know we have discussed every aspect of this case inside out).

My heart breaks for Dylan.