CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #26

[eileenhawkeye]

Normally, I don't really follow the FB pages for missing persons. Is it normal in other cases for people on the page (not just the person running it, but ordinary people commenting) to be so confident that the victim is alive? I saw someone on Dylan's page ask if it's possible he is no longer alive, and someone replied that she needs to delete her comment, because if she actually followed the page, she would know that he is. The comment got 21 likes. It was a pretty snarky reply, and I don't get the idea that you are "uninformed" if you don't believe Dylan is alive.

I get that no body, means there is always hope. But there's been no sightings. LE lets us know they are receiving 2-3 tips a day, yet have done nothing since then to increase the number of tips coming in. No press conferences.

 

[longtallcold]

But if you call anonymously....how would you testify at a trial as a witness? :waitasec:

http://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine/posts/581596605200280

See this thread: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196125"]MI - Man allegedly outed as informant during criminal trial - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Exactly what happened to this guy who called crimestoppers!

 

[asyousay]

Normally, I don't really follow the FB pages for missing persons. Is it normal in other cases for people on the page (not just the person running it, but ordinary people commenting) to be so confident that the victim is alive? I saw someone on Dylan's page ask if it's possible he is no longer alive, and someone replied that she needs to delete her comment, because if she actually followed the page, she would know that he is. The comment got 21 likes. It was a pretty snarky reply, and I don't get the idea that you are "uninformed" if you don't believe Dylan is alive.

I get that no body, means there is always hope. But there's been no sightings. LE lets us know they are receiving 2-3 tips a day, yet have done nothing since then to increase the number of tips coming in. No press conferences.

As far as i was aware there is no proof he is alive. Its just "hope" that people think he is. The statistics would suggest otherwise and it seems short sighted being rude to people who are trying to help out.

IMHO

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I just saw that the Jodi Arias trial is delayed until January 28. Perhaps Elaine will be able to get on NG or JVM to talk about Dylan's case, now?

 

[Dee10]

It seems to me that the only acceptable theory on the other page is that Mark is involved. I don't really see any "actual discussion" on that page either.

Yes, it does seem that way re MR, the majority seem to think so from what I have seen as well. Re W/S not everyone is make comments, but there are a couple or a few anyway but it is upto 71 or something members.

 

[The Cheese]

As far as i was aware there is no proof he is alive. Its just "hope" that people think he is. The statistics would suggest otherwise and it seems short sighted being rude to people who are trying to help out.

IMHO

I thought LE went by whether there is evidence a missing person is deceased, and if not, presumes they are alive.

Most missing children are recovered alive. There are several big documents on NCMEC with statistics, also on the FBI website. Which statistics are you referring to that suggest otherwise?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I thought LE went by whether there is evidence a missing person is deceased, and if not, presumes they are alive.

Most missing children are recovered alive. There are several big documents on NCMEC with statistics, also on the FBI website. Which statistics are you referring to that suggest otherwise?

How many missing persons who are abducted for 2+ months are found alive?

Those statistics about missing children count child custody cases, runaways, children who were thought to be missing because they went to a friend's house, etc.

I don't get why JK is posting that 99% of missing children come home alive. You would think that as a former LE officer, he would know exactly what the statistics mean. How many children who are being held by someone for 2+ months are found alive?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Is JK a PI working for the family?

 

[princessk]

How can anyone listen to a man who has a picture of himself with no shirt on as his profile picture? GROSS, YUCK, NASTY.

 

[The Cheese]

How many missing persons who are abducted for 2+ months are found alive?

Those statistics about missing children count child custody cases, runaways, children who were thought to be missing because they went to a friend's house, etc.

I don't get why JK is posting that 99% of missing children come home alive. You would think that as a former LE officer, he would know exactly what the statistics mean. How many children who are being held by someone for 2+ months are found alive?

The statistics are broken down by category - runaways, family abductions, non-family abductions, stereotypical kidnappings.

What do the statistics mean to your understanding in relation to Dylan's case?

 

[eileenhawkeye]

The statistics are broken down by category - runaways, family abductions, non-family abductions, stereotypical kidnappings.

What do the statistics mean to your understanding in relation to Dylan's case?

I do not know what the exact statistics are for children who have been missing for 2+ months. How many of those children are found alive?

 

[nursebeeme]

repeating again for a reminder: the other facebook cannot be linked to... nor can it be discussed.

 

[The Cheese]

I do not know what the exact statistics are for children who have been missing for 2+ months. How many of those children are found alive?

I guess I misunderstood you, eileen. I thought since you said you'd think JK would know exactly what the statistics mean, that you meant you do know exactly what the statistics mean.

Please forgive me. I had oral surgery this morning, they put me to sleep for it, and now I've amped up my buzz with Vicodin. I shouldn't be posting at all.

 

[Seajay]

I do not know what the exact statistics are for children who have been missing for 2+ months. How many of those children are found alive?

There was a kid found the other day who had been gone for 4 months. Of course, he ran away and he had someone who had taken him in and hid him from his parents.

 

[Seajay]

I guess I misunderstood you, eileen. I thought since you said you'd think JK would know exactly what the statistics mean, that you meant you do know exactly what the statistics mean.

Please forgive me. I had oral surgery this morning, they put me to sleep for it, and now I've amped up my buzz with Vicodin. I shouldn't be posting at all.

Buzz posting. LOL Those are usually interesting posts, that and drunken posting.

I'm not sure who this JK is or if he really is who he says he is. I like the idea that he thinks Dylan is alive, but I have to wonder about his idea of a method to get Dylan back.

But you know, if it works, more power to him.

 

[MissJ]

I thought LE went by whether there is evidence a missing person is deceased, and if not, presumes they are alive.

Most missing children are recovered alive. There are several big documents on NCMEC with statistics, also on the FBI website. Which statistics are you referring to that suggest otherwise?

Most missing children are recovered alive? I've not heard that. :what:

 

[jennapuppy]

There was a kid found the other day who had been gone for 4 months. Of course, he ran away and he had someone who had taken him in and hid him from his parents.

I haven't been able to find out much about that case. Did LE know all along that he was a runaway?

 

[The Cheese]

Most missing children are recovered alive? I've not heard that. :what:

Most are recovered very quickly. They barely have time to hit the news. And most missing children are runaways by far. They don't get much media. What's brought to our attention via the media, and that hit the national media are the ones that aren't found quickly, and the ones that aren't found alive. It leaves a different impression from the reality.

I think it's important in following these cases to become familiar with the studies and the numbers and the categories and the statistics. At least I find it helpful.

NCMEC, DOJ, and FBI are good resources for it for anyone interested.

This is an official buzz post. The author is not responsible for its content.

 

[azgrandma]

I haven't been able to find out much about that case. Did LE know all along that he was a runaway?

He was reported as a runaway at first, they don't believe that any longer.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I guess I misunderstood you, eileen. I thought since you said you'd think JK would know exactly what the statistics mean, that you meant you do know exactly what the statistics mean.

Please forgive me. I had oral surgery this morning, they put me to sleep for it, and now I've amped up my buzz with Vicodin. I shouldn't be posting at all.

As a former LE officer, he should know that the "99% of missing children are found alive" statistic does not apply to children who have been missing for 2+ months OR to children who fit in this category (the one Dylan might be in):

During the study year, there were an estimated 115
stereotypical kidnappings, defined as abductions per-
petrated by a stranger or slight acquaintance and
involving a child who was transported 50 or more
miles, detained overnight, held for ransom or with
the intent to keep the child permanently, or killed.

In those abductions, 40% of children come home alive. Not 99%. Now out of those 40%...How many were held by their abductor for over 2 months?