CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #27

[Allusonz]

How on earth does a silent game help find a missing child? Why would LE want to make a point in that way? If they do not have a suspect, they are harming Dylan, IMO.

This is a task force, which comprises a number of different LE agencies.

I am uncertain how we can make a judgment of LE on what LE is doing, when we are not privy to information they have.

One of the conditions Keyes made was that anything he told LE was NOT to become public. When something did, he refused to speak with them. There may be a very valid reason that LE in this case is conducting it the way they are.

 

[Tennlyn]

Am I the only one who thinks we should just lock the thread until more actual information comes out? As many have pointed out, there's nothing to discuss right now that hasn't been discussed in the previous 26 threads. MOO of course.

If anyone wants to take a break until more comes out, they should certainly do so.

I'm not going anywhere until Dylan comes home. I have several threads that I check daily - hoping, praying, keeping the faith.

 

[PaulR]

How many times are they supposed to search his house?

If LE thinks MR did it, they would search his house again to see if there is evidence that they missed last time - when DR was only missing for a short period of time and it was early in the investigation.

You wouldn't let close to two months go by without searching the house of your prime suspect again.


IMHO: the idea that this was a non-parental kidnapping and that LE isn't asking the community for information are not mutually exclusive. If they have a suspect in mind that is not a parent (or someone close to the family), they may be building that case and not need specific information from the community.

 

[Allusonz]

I am very disappointed with the antics I just had the misfortune to read.

This is about DYLAN. The one that happens to missing.


Can anyone please pass that bottle of wine around to me please.

 

[azgrandma]

It's been discussed previously on here that family and friends of Dylan who believe him to still be alive (being held/hidden away) are suffering from wishful thinking.

I tend to agree. But today I caught myself wondering whether those close to Dylan feel this way because they are thinking wishfully, or if it is because they actually know MR.

I just don't see how it would be possible for so long.

JMO.

I think it's because they NEED to believe he is still alive. The human brain is a powerful tool and it won't let you go places that you can't go to.

Sometimes hope is all you have to hold because anything else is too hard to accept.

 

[scorekeeper]

Hi guys, I really think we should get off the FB subject. And think of areas where Dylan may be. Hugs everyone I know this is hard case on us all

:toast: :toastred:

:waiting: :waiting: :waiting: for LE

:skip: :skip: :skip: I feel like I'm going in circles half the time.

But based on the information so far, I'm not sure Dylan is still with us. If Dylan was not taken by a random stranger, then I think he may not be found until spring - heck that could hold true to for an abduction also. What says he wasn't taken by an abductor and disposed off?

I still have some questions for Mark. His lack of action/reactions/non-reactions seem a little off to me and keeps him on my radar but JMO....

P.S. you guys are great :great:

 

[Allusonz]

I understand a seed being planted, however, I have to very respectfully disagree that it somehow set the thinking in motion, (not your words, mine).
I have read through 27 threads, I have laughed, cried, yelled, screamed, agreed, disagreed, sometimes I wanted to use that little brick :banghead: on the computer and sometimes I wanted to ullhair:

What I mostly wanted to do is read, think, look at different angles, different possibilities. You (everyone here) has a valued and different opinion. It's amazing to see so many minds think alike and differently at the same moment. I find it highly unlikely that any of you would be so easily swayed by a seed, I give you all more credit than that and hope you give yourselves that as well. I don't know any of you and other than introducing yourself by your ws name, I wouldn't know you from Adam. But................I respect each of you, even the ones I don't agree with, because you provide a valued point of view.

I'm remaining on my opinion, that hasn't changed from day one. Yes, I know a bit more than others here and that's because of the dynamics of life. I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. I'm suggesting that you value your opinion and I hope I never ever (yes used the "n" word there) read that any of you believe that a seed dictated the opinion you hold. I think you all are brighter than that.

I don't drink wine, but I've had half a beer so I get chatty too :great:

What started as a spark is being fueled by gasoline into a bonfire based on very little evidence.

If that spark is the wrong direction, and the winds change, the only loser here will be the one individual that is missing and that is Dylan.

 

[princessk]

Am I the only one who thinks we should just lock the thread until more actual information comes out? As many have pointed out, there's nothing to discuss right now that hasn't been discussed in the previous 26 threads. MOO of course.

Lock the thread up? Seriously? That would do Dylan a lot of good. Geez.

 

[cluciano63]

If LE thinks MR did it, they would search his house again to see if there is evidence that they missed last time - when DR was only missing for a short period of time and it was early in the investigation.

You wouldn't let close to two months go by without searching the house of your prime suspect again.


IMHO: the idea that this was a non-parental kidnapping and that LE isn't asking the community for information are not mutually exclusive. If they have a suspect in mind that is not a parent (or someone close to the family), they may be building that case and not need specific information from the community.

I have not seen LE return to search the houses again in other missing persons cases, even when they seem to be looking at a family member. They cannot get warrants just because they did not find anything useful the first time. They would have to be looking for something specific, as far as I know, and have reason to believe they would find it.

I agree that a suspect need not be Mr. My point is that if they do not have a suspect, then the silence seems harmful toward finding Dylan.

 

[Dee10]

If LE thinks MR did it, they would search his house again to see if there is evidence that they missed last time - when DR was only missing for a short period of time and it was early in the investigation.

You wouldn't let close to two months go by without searching the house of your prime suspect again.


IMHO: the idea that this was a non-parental kidnapping and that LE isn't asking the community for information are not mutually exclusive. If they have a suspect in mind that is not a parent (or someone close to the family), they may be building that case and not need specific information from the community.

BBM I am not following why the FBI would go into another search? In the beginning MR let LE go in, it was mentioned in the press they were looking for Dylan's cell phone. Then when the FBI became involved they got a warrant and did a forensic search, set up tents, took his vehicles. What would they be interested in for second time?

 

[azgrandma]

I don't see how it could be possible at all.

Usually when parents kidnap their kids due to custodial issues, they are gone. Take the kid, over the border first chance they get. Obviously this works better if the kid is very young but it's happened with older kids, and of course they run far away to evade the law.

I don't see the end game in this. Eventually DR is going to come and point out who his kidnappers were, because he can't be held captive forever. Most states don't have any statute of limitations on felonies. I guess it's one way of getting three hots and a cot for an extended period of time but unlike the typical parental kidnapping, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

BBM statute of limitations is on most felonies, murder is the one absolute that has no statute of limitation. Sexual assualt is a felony but you can't wait 40 years to charge someone.

 

[Tennlyn]

If LE thinks MR did it, they would search his house again to see if there is evidence that they missed last time - when DR was only missing for a short period of time and it was early in the investigation.

You wouldn't let close to two months go by without searching the house of your prime suspect again.


IMHO: the idea that this was a non-parental kidnapping and that LE isn't asking the community for information are not mutually exclusive. If they have a suspect in mind that is not a parent (or someone close to the family), they may be building that case and not need specific information from the community.

BBM

Can you give some examples of cases where LE did that? I can't think of any. I know police named Dale Smith Jr. the Prime Suspect in the Michelle Parker disappearance, but as far as I know they've never gone back and done another search and she's been missing over a year.

 

[Allusonz]

You make a good point. The Koenig case was way out there. But I never felt anyone closely connected to her had anything to do with it.

The Schunick case. Well we were all very focused on that truck from the time the photo's came out. Just because we didn't know who that belonged to, we were focused in the right direction. Many thought maybe he accidentally hit her bike and something happened from there. Of course this was his story...although I'm still not buying it.

Dylan Redwine. There are a lot of people on here and elsewhere focusing on one person. Could we all be wrong? Absolutely...but I will be shocked if that turns out to be the case. Whatever happened, I just hope Dylan is found and whomever did something to him pays.

True.

In the Mickey Shunick case many were looking at the wrong person namely Brettly.

Once again in the Samantha Koenig case, many felt her boyfiend, yet that was the wrong person.

I am seeing a trend of late, not in all cases, where the person that seems to be the most logical, has not been the person responsible.

How many publicly apologized? Privately apologized?

Did anyone wonder how this may of affected them then, and consequently in the future? Do did we just rinse and repeat on the next case?

 

[azgrandma]

BBM I am not following why the FBI would go into another search? In the beginning MR let LE go in, it was mentioned in the press they were looking for Dylan's cell phone. Then when the FBI became involved they got a warrant and did a forensic search, set up tents, took his vehicles. What would they be interested in for second time?

EXACTLY. LE doesn't get free looks until they find something. They have to be specific in the application for a search warrant, it's not a free for all, if they find that / those items great. If they don't, there are no "do overs". However, the warrant can be vague to a degree, i.e. they don't have to say that they are looking for a pair of pliers & screwdriver, they can say that they are looking for tools used for burglary.

Subsequent warrants can be issued but why? They can't go on a fishing expedition.

 

[princessk]

BBM I am not following why the FBI would go into another search? In the beginning MR let LE go in, it was mentioned in the press they were looking for Dylan's cell phone. Then when the FBI became involved they got a warrant and did a forensic search, set up tents, took his vehicles. What would they be interested in for second time?

I guess maybe they would come back if they really thought there was a possibility of MR hiding him somewhere. Surely they would check out thoroughly more than a few times if they thought this was the case?

 

[Darcyline]

Closing this topic until we get bits of new information legitimately scares me. That is like admitting it is over and that we cannot help Dylan. Realistically, we cannot, but I think there is something to be said about remembering. There are cases here that haven't had new information in 30 years, but as long as that topic is open someone remembers and someone is still looking. I know Dylan has only been missing for two months and it is still a very active investigation, but that is how I feel about shutting down topics because of a lack of information. It is frustrating and I think the lack of information is leading to the snappiness, but I will never, ever want this topic to end until Dylan is at peace.


LE silence is a bit baffling to me-I usually only see it this early in a case when they are closing in on a suspect or literally have no idea at all.

 

[catswhiskers]

All I can say is I'm so happy for my websleuth's community! Even those I may not agree with. At least we are all sane and semi cordial to each other Whew!! And now I see why the Mods are so tough. Could you imagine the chaos if they weren't?

I agree Psychic Sleuth. I have a read elsewhere but wouldn't post anywhere else in a pink fit. I don't need to get hammered online by strangers half a world away. Thanks mods

 

[Darcyline]

True.

How many publicly apologized? Privately apologized?

Did anyone wonder how this may of affected them then, and consequently in the future? Do did we just rinse and repeat on the next case?

Poor Brettly He had it bad because he was also the last to see her. He basically allowed LE to rip apart his place and have full access to him because he knew this and then he had to deal with losing Mickey on top of being a suspect.
I think it is a good point. On one side, statistically certain people are much more likely to have committed a crime. There is a reason everyone always suspects the ex-husband when a wife/mother goes missing. However, I do think there is some responsibility to be careful and not ruin lives especially with no evidence. Then again, the only life that is typically ruined is the person who is dead or missing.
It is a difficult situation in any case.

 

[PaulR]

I have not seen LE return to search the houses again in other missing persons cases, even when they seem to be looking at a family member.

One example: Saanvi Venna.
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/us-search-on-for-10monthold-kidnapped-indian-baby-girl/302258-2.html

A search is still on for 10-month-old Saanvi Venna in the US. The FBI has conducted multiple searches around the family's home and has questioning everyone who may have had contact with the family recently.

Also Robert Pickton's property was searched multiple times:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/robert_pickton/9.html

If Pickton was the Low Track slayer, survivors asked, why had the searches of his property in 1997 and 1998 failed to uncover any evidence? More to the point, how could he abduct and murder additional victims between 1999 and 2001, when he should have been under police surveillance?

 

[Simply Caustic]

Am I the only one who thinks we should just lock the thread until more actual information comes out? As many have pointed out, there's nothing to discuss right now that hasn't been discussed in the previous 26 threads. MOO of course.

Respectfully, no, I disagree. Heartily. Some cases get seemingly forgotten...they can go on for years, decades, even. Sometimes nothing is left but a small group, banded together, hashing and rehashing the same ol stuff...while I hope that never happens to Dylan, that it ends in hours rather than days or years - regardless, every case here at WS deserves the attention of those willing to TRY. Try what? Shoot, at this point...anything.

Just try, that's all we can do. And I am of the humble opinion that many here in this thread are utterly dedicated and invested in this case - and why lock out anyone, anywhere, willing to help?

<modsnip>. MOO
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