CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #27

[NC Analyzer]

Interesting new revelation for anyone following FB pages.

 

[PaulR]

GUYS - you know the "other" facebook is not to be linked or discussed in the threads. Don't try to get around the rules and don't make cute comments about hurrying up before the mods get here.

There is NO rule that says you can't read there. A quick note that facebook has some news/interesting stuff will stand. But that is the END of it. Don't bring the discussion here and don't link the unofficial page.

I'm not warning again. TOs will be issued from this point on. Don't play games. We don't discuss the other facebook because info cannot be substantiated and because it is not the "official" facebook. Even info from the "official" facebook is considered rumor.

Salem

Thanks, Salem!

 

[scorekeeper]

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine?filter=2

Post from Cory....breaks my heart

 

[TxLady2]

Well, if Dylan was abducted by a stranger, it would be beneficial for the case to have media coverage since someone might see him or know something. And LE talking would help to generate media interest. Elaine seems to think MR was involved...yet still wants national attention. So it seems me that Dylan's mother thinks the investigation would be helped if there was more coverage. If LE communicated with the public/media, we would see more attention to this case.

Also, what does Casey Anthony's case have to do with this case? Even if LE was more vocal, this case is never going to become the media circus that one did. Also, I'm not sure if LE in the Anthony case blabbed everything they knew, or if the Sunshine Laws made every piece of information available.

Big difference between LE blabbing everything they know...and communicating more with the media and public.

Ok, my point was, there are good reasons why LE is not being more forthcoming. We may not know what they are, but nonetheless we should accept that they are not concerned with keeping us informed, their focus is on finding Dylan and/or what happened to him.

Everybody in that area is probably well aware of Dylan by now, but more national coverage might help, if he was taken out of state.

Re the Anthony case: Just making an illustration to emphasize that even if a case has oodles of media coverage every day for 3 years, it still doesn't mean it will end well. The media does not solve cases, and neither do we.
And I tend to think that the media circus did more harm to that case than it helped, but that's JMO.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Ok, my point was, there are good reasons why LE is not being more forthcoming. We may not know what they are, but nonetheless we should accept that they are not concerned with keeping us informed, their focus is on finding Dylan and/or what happened to him.

Everybody in that area is probably well aware of Dylan by now, but more national coverage might help, if he was taken out of state.

Re the Anthony case: Just making an illustration to emphasize that even if a case has oodles of media coverage every day for 3 years, it still doesn't mean it will end well. The media does not solve cases, and neither do we.
And I tend to think that the media circus did more harm to that case than it helped, but that's JMO.

Then why do so many relatives of missing persons want more coverage for their loved ones' case?

I also think that if you left the immediate area..maybe went an hour or two out...Dylan's case is not that well-known. So I don't think his abductor (if this was a stranger abduction) would have to take him that far away to be somewhere where his disappearence isn't known by all.

 

[Seajay]

I'm watching "Wicked Attraction" on ID and they just showed a good reason why LE doesn't share things with media or networks. They were looking for a particular shooter, who had shot a couple of innocent people walking down streets. One of the things they were holding back on was the caliber of the gun used in the shootings.

During a network coverage of the crimes, they showed a .22 caliber shell casing, just like the ones the shooter was using. Have a guess, the shooter got wind of it and changed guns, so LE had a hard time with the next shootings, trying to determine if they were the same shooter or some other shooter because the caliber was changed. Because that information got out, more people were shot then need be before catching him.

Just one example of why the public doesn't need to know something just for the heck of it at the risk of compromising the case.

ETA: Family of the missing are not law enforcement. Until their loved one is found, they NEVER think LE is doing enough. But they need to understand that they are not trained the way LE is. They act out of desperation and emotion, LE acts out of training and professionalism. JMO.

 

[SCHMAE]

After reading Cory's answers to a lot of our questions, I can only think one way now. So maybe I should leave yet again......

I'm sorry but I've been a bit busy the last few days. I've been trying to keep up but clearly not doing a great job. What do you mean by ' cory's answers to a lot of our questions' ? Is there a new interview with him ? tks in advance !

 

[SCHMAE]

The FBI seems to be involved in the investigation, and it's been said several times that they do not share information with the public until the case is solved. That's just how they roll.

For all we know, LE may have several suspects, not just one. Or they may not have any. But I don't see where their silence is hurting anyone. They do not have to tell the public anything.

I've followed a lot of cases now for probably ten years or more. I will say, in the cases where LE has been more vocal and more free with sharing what they know, those are the cases that never seem to get resolved... either there have been no arrests or the body was never found, or both. When cases such as the few we've seen recently that are solved and someone is behind bars, it was usually one where LE was silent and did not let the public in on what they were doing until the arrest was made, and everything broke at the same time. So please tell me... how is LE hurting anybody by being silent?

Their priority is to find Dylan and figure out what happened, and to hopefully put somebody behind bars. They have to be ever mindful of the integrity of the case as well. Once it goes to trial, they've got one chance to see justice done, and they have to get it right. And I can tell you, that blabbing everything they know to the public will NOT ensure justice is done. Case in point: Casey Anthony is walking around on free feet today, even though everybody in the country knew that case backwards and forwards long before the trial ever started.

I rest my case.

I don't know how to BBM, but as to how is LE's silence hurting anyone, I would have to say if I lived in that community, I would be really upset with their silence. IF they think MR is their man and they dont' have enough to arrest him and are waiting, then I think a statement to the public akin to " your children are safe, we dont' have a kidnapper on the loose, etc'' type of language would be helpful. If they do NOT feel MR is their man then an opposite statement of ' watch your kids closely, somewhere near by is a predator'' would be helpful. Since they've 'ruled out ' kidnapping ( or did they later say they had not ruled it out ?) OOPS meant to say here they had ruled out RUNAWAY . then you've got a disappearance by either a ' known' to DR person or an 'unknown' to DR person and if I lived down the street and had a young teen child, I would demand to know which it was . The only other option is for LE to come out and say ' we have no clue what happened, zilch' . I feel that may be the case here sadly

Meant to say ruled out runaway, not ruled out kidnapping. Quite a bad mistake on my part. soz all

 

[Eileen730]

I respect that, but what if that's not the case. What if something happened that has nothing to do with the familly? A random abduction. So many people talk about how remote it is in Vallecito so why would a kidnapper be there? Well, I think the answer is in the question. Remote. I'm not saying this is what I believe happened, but what if? I think the vibe and media being sought is going to hinder this investigation. IF someone else has/had Dylan (other than MR) then I'm sure they're really happy to see all the focus put on MR and away from them. All I'm saying is there's just not enough to focus SOLELY on Mark.


And yes, wine is good.

I dont think there is anything random about this at all. Flights cancelled,
visits with friends cancelled, cell phone silenced, (the cell is the red flag).
Child goes missing along with all his belongings and a fishing pole.

Id say yes this could be possible if his cell phone went silent Monday morning after Mark said he saw him but it didnt it was sunday evening. No one saw this child after Walmart. His cell phone went silent after Walmart. Nothing with a scent at the house. I dont think he passed a poly.

Id say no to a random abduction but thats JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I don't know how to BBM, but as to how is LE's silence hurting anyone, I would have to say if I lived in that community, I would be really upset with their silence. IF they think MR is their man and they dont' have enough to arrest him and are waiting, then I think a statement to the public akin to " your children are safe, we dont' have a kidnapper on the loose, etc'' type of language would be helpful. If they do NOT feel MR is their man then an opposite statement of ' watch your kids closely, somewhere near by is a predator'' would be helpful. Since they've 'ruled out ' kidnapping ( or did they later say they had not ruled it out ?) then you've got a disappearance by either a ' known' to DR person or an 'unknown' to DR person and if I lived down the street and had a young teen child, I would demand to know which it was . The only other option is for LE to come out and say ' we have no clue what happened, zilch' . I feel that may be the case here sadly

I have to think there is way more to this family that LE is aware of and I think LE knows exactly what each one is capeable of. I think there are loads of info we are not privy to that this family has not openly said anything about.

I think LE has a handle on this. remember Silence is golden.

JMO

 

[PaulR]

Since they've 'ruled out ' kidnapping ( or did they later say they had not ruled it out ?)

They haven't ruled out kidnapping.

 

[SCHMAE]

They haven't ruled out kidnapping.

OOPS oh you're right. What I meant was they had ruled out ' runaway' .
My bad.... I better go fix that. sorry all

 

[PaulR]

OOPS oh you're right. What I meant was they had ruled out ' runaway' .
My bad.... I better go fix that. sorry all

No worries

Kidnapping is the only scenario I think they are looking at - whether Dylan is alive or not, he was still kidnapped.

 

[princessk]

The FBI seems to be involved in the investigation, and it's been said several times that they do not share information with the public until the case is solved. That's just how they roll.

For all we know, LE may have several suspects, not just one. Or they may not have any. But I don't see where their silence is hurting anyone. They do not have to tell the public anything.

I've followed a lot of cases now for probably ten years or more. I will say, in the cases where LE has been more vocal and more free with sharing what they know, those are the cases that never seem to get resolved... either there have been no arrests or the body was never found, or both. When cases such as the few we've seen recently that are solved and someone is behind bars, it was usually one where LE was silent and did not let the public in on what they were doing until the arrest was made, and everything broke at the same time. So please tell me... how is LE hurting anybody by being silent?

Their priority is to find Dylan and figure out what happened, and to hopefully put somebody behind bars. They have to be ever mindful of the integrity of the case as well. Once it goes to trial, they've got one chance to see justice done, and they have to get it right. And I can tell you, that blabbing everything they know to the public will NOT ensure justice is done. Case in point: Casey Anthony is walking around on free feet today, even though everybody in the country knew that case backwards and forwards long before the trial ever started.

I rest my case.

Jessica Ridgeway? Wasn't FBI involved?

 

[Eileen730]

Ok, my point was, there are good reasons why LE is not being more forthcoming. We may not know what they are, but nonetheless we should accept that they are not concerned with keeping us informed, their focus is on finding Dylan and/or what happened to him.

Everybody in that area is probably well aware of Dylan by now, but more national coverage might help, if he was taken out of state.

Re the Anthony case: Just making an illustration to emphasize that even if a case has oodles of media coverage every day for 3 years, it still doesn't mean it will end well. The media does not solve cases, and neither do we.
And I tend to think that the media circus did more harm to that case than it helped, but that's JMO.

But we all watched it! We watched George and C interacting with the ppl that stood out front of their house wanting to know what Casey did with that baby.
PPL were there every day and every night the nation KNEW about this little missing baby because of those ppl that camped out at the Anthonys. JMO

When you want answers you go to the source!

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

No worries

Kidnapping is the only scenario I think they are looking at - whether Dylan is alive or not, he was still kidnapped.

But what if he wasnt kidnapped?

 

[nursebeeme]

Jessica Ridgeway? Wasn't FBI involved?

they had:
1) a body
2) DNA linking Sigg to two different cases (re: direct knowledge that there was a predator on the loose)

(yes the fbi was brought in very early on)


(off topic: I just posted an update in the Jessica Ridgeway thread: the judge ruled to keep the preliminary hearing sealed from the media and the public to avoid tainting the future jury pool..)

 

[TxLady2]

Then why do so many relatives of missing persons want more coverage for their loved ones' case?

I also think that if you left the immediate area..maybe went an hour or two out...Dylan's case is not that well-known. So I don't think his abductor (if this was a stranger abduction) would have to take him that far away to be somewhere where his disappearence isn't known by all.

I thought the discussion was about why LE is not speaking out in the public and telling everything they know. Sure everybody wants media coverage for their missing child, but not just local coverage. I believe I said it would be good if there was more national coverage because most people in that area already know Dylan is missing. I never said that media attention was not a good thing.

What the case does NOT need is more criticism of LE for not speaking out, and there are many reasons why they don't. If there is nothing new to report, then it makes no sense to hold a PC just to tell us they don't have any new information. I think if I had so little faith in LE, I would not be following these missing cases. I would take up a new hobby like knitting or something. But that's JMO.

 

[PaulR]

But what if he wasnt kidnapped?

What are the alternatives?

He didn't run away.
I can't see him vanishing voluntarily (not running away but hanging out with family/friends and not telling anyone by now)
If he was murdered at or near MRs house, the police would almost certainly have found evidence.

He was either kidnapped or he fell into the lake.

 

[TxLady2]

But we all watched it! We watched George and C interacting with the ppl that stood out front of their house wanting to know what Casey did with that baby.
PPL were there every day and every night the nation KNEW about this little missing baby because of those ppl that camped out at the Anthonys. JMO

When you want answers you go to the source!

JMO

Yes, we did watch it. That's my point... all the media saturation didn't help at all, Casey is free and can never be tried again. She got away with murder.