CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #27

[cluciano63]

If only MR would make the effort to clear himself with the family at least, if he cannot do with LE at this time. They want Dylan, IMO, not to waste time accusing an innocent man, if he is. But it sounds to me like he won't be bothered, that he has taken a stand of some kind in refusing to answer their questions or to allow ER to possibly go over in detail exactly what transpired. I think I would want to talk to the last person to have seen my child every day, hoping they would recall one new thing.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I feel your heart and your pain in every post! Sweety, you are not ranting. I am so sorry for what you and your family are going through...it's unimaginable.

I have learn a lot from you and about you (from yourself); your grace, honesty, integrity, intelligence, humor and in the face of this horrifying nightmare you are willing to think about the realities about what the future may hold. YOU are a survivor and your children are so lucky to have you. :grouphug:

I totally agree with this post and think it was said so beautifully, thank you

 

[LaMer]

I had been asked if MR felt a victim, IMO YES. Nothing was his fault, nothing was his responsibility if something went wrong, it was someone elses fault.

I've had some very serious talks with people over the past two days and emotionally I am drained. I can't imagine what Elaine is dealing with. What I can tell you is that MR has been offered to put funds towards the reward and declined. Declined on multiple offers.
MR was not at fund raisers because he was not personally invited. Despite the little matter that NO ONE was personally invited.
MR has not changed in his "oh poor pity me" mentality
He has taken one polygraph, not a second.
Today is his son's birthday and not a call, card, anything.
He has grandchildren that he has never met and never will meet because his children do not want him around them.
I'm sorry, but this has frustrated the living daylights out of me. I'm sad to see that there is an opinion that Cory is doing his rally for attention, I'm sad that his postings are in doubt. If any of you knew for one second what these boys, and my daughter are going through, you wouldn't doubt it for a moment. They are desperate children looking for answers and I bless, condone and support every single legal way that they go about it. They want their brother back.
We have allowed ourselves to be dragged through the mud, not here, but elsewhere. All for the sake of finding Dylan. People know things about us that we don't even remember!
Sorry that I am ranting, it's hard, it's sad, and I'm emotionally drained.
@Mods, delete if necessary, I was told that as an insider I could post what I really know. I hope beyond all hope that I haven't violated any TOS.

azgrandma, my heart is breaking for you and Dylan's family. I pray Dylan is found and soon. God Bless Cory for what he is doing, and I pray it brings some light and brings Dylan home to his family. May God Bless all of you! Try to take care of yourself too!

 

[vasportsmom]

If only MR would make the effort to clear himself with the family at least, if he cannot do with LE at this time. They want Dylan, IMO, not to waste time accusing an innocent man, if he is. But it sounds to me like he won't be bothered, that he has taken a stand of some kind in refusing to answer their questions or to allow ER to possibly go over in detail exactly what transpired. I think I would want to talk to the last person to have seen my child every day, hoping they would recall one new thing.

ITA. Even if I couldn't convince LE or the public of my innocence I would make every attempt to prove it to my children and their mother. Why let them suspect you, blame you and waste precious time in the process if you can answer their questions and allow them to move on?

 

[azgrandma]

is MRs usual way of speaking so quiet and controlled like it was in the interviews he has given?


IMO the only attention Cory is seeking is all about getting answers to help find Dylan.

you and your children have been under extreme stress for the last two months too, of course thats going to take a toll on each of you so please look after yourselves and take time out when you need to.

happy birthday to your son

How do I put the way he spoke, again keep in mind it was years ago. It was a rant and a rave when we argued, you know how you bring up the that one thing three months ago type of thing. But, very direct, deliberate and exact when needing to speak in other situations. Not so much as he thought about what he said, but more he knew what and how he was saying. does that make sense?

 

[azgrandma]

Thanks everyone for the kind words, I feel guilty for accepting them, Elaine is the one that is going through so much right now and I can't even begin to imagine what she is dealing with. We aren't even going through 1/100 th of what she feels. I pity her so much and can't see how she handles waking in the morning. She's a strong, wonderful woman and I respect her in so many ways. I just wish I could take her pain from her and let her have some rest.

Sorry I'm out there, as I said, it's been a rough couple days. Thanks all! Good night.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

No they didn't with JR at the time. Your link provided was sooooooo late in the process. JMO.

E and L had PC to no avail!!!!! It was a long time from those precious girls going missing until their bodies were found. Those PC said absolutely nothing, nada. And nothing since then, IMO. Posters get frustrated. I get that.

The 1 hour/CSI results are not real. LE/FBI/etc ... takes time. It's hard to wait. I get that too. I'll wait. IF my crew from NM has to go back to search ... we will, but we will NOT be part of any non LE search. Nope, not gonna happen.

I'm pretty sure everyone at WS doesn't expect these cases to be solved in an hour. But it's been months and years since Lauren S, Holly B, Isabel, Lisa, Kyron, Haleigh, Hailey, Dylan, and so many more victims went missing. How much longer are these families going to have to wait for answers? Does LE still have people even assigned to those cases? I'm pretty sure most cases aren't solved years after happening. So, yes, there is going to be criticism of LE when they haven't found a missing child, which means the child is either being tortured every day, or there's a murderer who is facing no punishment.

How many cases are solved a year or more after the victim goes missing or is found dead? Where it takes a year before there's an arrest? Not many. It's not a ~waiting game because with most cases, if they aren't solved within a very short time period...They aren't solved at all. A case's chances of being solved does not increase as time goes on--it decreases.

ETA: Also, LE in Jessica's case did warn the community. You can't just disregard it because it didn't happen in your preferred time period. I believe the warning was right after her body was found. If a child was found dead, and LE say "A predator is on the loose" immediately after, that would be considered an adequate warning, right? I guess they could have warned everyone right after she went missing...but they still warned people, so to me, it counts.

 

[azgrandma]

I'm pretty sure everyone at WS doesn't expect these cases to be solved in an hour. But it's been months and years since Lauren S, Holly B, Isabel, Lisa, Kyron, Haleigh, Hailey, Dylan, and so many more victims went missing. How much longer are these families going to have to wait for answers? Does LE still have people even assigned to those cases? I'm pretty sure most cases aren't solved years after happening. So, yes, there is going to be criticism of LE when they haven't found a missing child, which means the child is either being tortured every day, or there's a murderer who is facing no punishment.

How many cases are solved a year or more after the victim goes missing or is found dead? Where it takes a year before there's an arrest? Not many. It's not a ~waiting game because with most cases, if they aren't solved within a very short time period...They aren't solved at all. A case's chances of being solved does not increase as time goes on--it decreases.

Very sad, but very true. The longer a case goes the less likely it will be resolved. Hey, I watch 48 hrs don't you? JK had to throw some humor in here. Seriously, the best chance is in the first few days then each day it less and less.

I have a friend that was murdered in 1982, one of the few Lakewood PD unsolved murders, still no clue. So obviously someone got away with murder.

 

[Dee10]

Maybe the biggest problem in these still unsolved missing children / parents under suspicion cases is there was no body found. In Jessica's case the condition of her body screamed predictor, but if precious little Jane or Joshua were found wrapped in a blanket wouldn't point to a predictor per say. A body is so important & the location if too late for physical forensics still can provide important clues on location alone.

Years ago, I always heard & believed a stranger abduction or serial killer was the hardest person to find & convict. Well, I no longer believe that.

 

[LaMer]

In regard to azgrandma's post about MR blaming others reminded me of something he had said.

He criticized LE!

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22063185/sunday-search-launched-missing-boy-laplata-county

Mark Redwine said Sunday that he hadn't been able to find the boy's fishing rod.

"I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him," Redwine, 52, said.

Information he received from the boy's friends suggests that Dylan was hitchhiking when he disappeared, Redwine said.

"It sounds to me like he's not even in the area," he said.

He said he is concerned that a stranger could have picked up the teen and abducted him.

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Since day 1! Anyone know if MR had been out and about searching around the lakes looking for Dylan or some of his belongings? Especially since he was so critical of LE!!! Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall he has done much searching. A lot of nerve complaining and blaming LE! Dylan was 'his' responsibility!

Also, I doubt if Dylan had been hitch-hiking to his friend's house he would have been carrying a fishing pole!

jmo

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe the biggest problem in these still unsolved missing children / parents under suspicion cases is there was no body found. In Jessica's case the condition of her body screamed predictor, but if precious little ??? were found wrapped in a blanket wouldn't point to a predictor per say. A body is so important & the location if too late for physical forensics still can provide important clues on location alone.

Years ago, I always heard & believed a stranger abduction or serial killer was the hardest person to find & convict. Well, I no longer believe that.

I agree...the suspect in the house seems to be even more difficult to prove or dismiss. But even if the bodies of these children had been found, it might still be difficult, due to regular contact with victim, exchange of DNA and fibers and so on.

One thing that could be a factor in some of the cases of the still-missing where a family members is suspected is that they have the time to create the scenario, decide when to contact police, ensure that the crime scene is cleaned up, etc. All or none of what they tell LE may or may not be true. Even in these days of such advanced technology, if any of these parents or spouses are guilty, their pings have not given them away or led to the body. In some ways, it is more astonishing that so many murders are solved, although they are generally ones with much more obvious circumstances and a body as well.

 

[Confusion]

I'm pretty sure everyone at WS doesn't expect these cases to be solved in an hour. But it's been months and years since Lauren S, Holly B, Isabel, Lisa, Kyron, Haleigh, Hailey, Dylan, and so many more victims went missing. How much longer are these families going to have to wait for answers? Does LE still have people even assigned to those cases? I'm pretty sure most cases aren't solved years after happening. So, yes, there is going to be criticism of LE when they haven't found a missing child, which means the child is either being tortured every day, or there's a murderer who is facing no punishment.

How many cases are solved a year or more after the victim goes missing or is found dead? Where it takes a year before there's an arrest? Not many. It's not a ~waiting game because with most cases, if they aren't solved within a very short time period...They aren't solved at all. A case's chances of being solved does not increase as time goes on--it decreases.

ETA: Also, LE in Jessica's case did warn the community. You can't just disregard it because it didn't happen in your preferred time period. I believe the warning was right after her body was found. If a child was found dead, and LE say "A predator is on the loose" immediately after, that would be considered an adequate warning, right? I guess they could have warned everyone right after she went missing...but they still warned people, so to me, it counts.

Just a couple points here. I can't blame LE for not solving cases when the evidence just isn't there. I wish that every case could be solved, and quickly, but not at the cost of convicting an innocent person in order to do it. I also believe there's a big difference between a child who disappears from a seemingly safe community with no evidence of anything that may or may not have happened, and a child found murdered with her body "not intact" in a community where there had been reports of several attempted abductions.

I'm not saying that Dylan's case isn't as serious as Jessica's was, but the circumstances are very different. I would like to think that all parents would be extra careful if a child disappeared from their neighborhood, but I'd also love it if all parents were cautious with their children even if nothing has happened near them. MOO

 

[Helenstreet]

http://durangoherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20130123/NEWS01/130129818&template=mobileart

 

[Dee10]

In regard to azgrandma's post about MR blaming others reminded me of something he had said.

He criticized LE!

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22063185/sunday-search-launched-missing-boy-laplata-county

Mark Redwine said Sunday that he hadn't been able to find the boy's fishing rod.

"I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him," Redwine, 52, said.

Information he received from the boy's friends suggests that Dylan was hitchhiking when he disappeared, Redwine said.

"It sounds to me like he's not even in the area," he said.

He said he is concerned that a stranger could have picked up the teen and abducted him.

~~~~~~

Since day 1! Anyone know if MR had been out and about searching around the lakes looking for Dylan or some of his belongings? Especially since he was so critical of LE!!! Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall he has done much searching. A lot of nerve complaining and blaming LE! Dylan was 'his' responsibility!

Also, I doubt if Dylan had been hitch-hiking to his friend's house he would have been carrying a fishing pole!

jmo

Maybe that's when he quit talking to the press, when he ran out of alternatives. I still wonder though what or who initially gave LE the impression Dylan ran away that they treated Dylan as such from the start and for at least a week wasn't it?

 

[Dee10]

http://durangoherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20130123/NEWS01/130129818&template=mobileart

Thanks Helen from your link:

In a phone interview Wednesday, Mark Redwine said the rally is an attempt by some to “play judge and jury.”

“I firmly believe that this is just a misguided attempt to draw attention to me when the reality of the fact is, you know, we don’t know where Dylan is at,” he said. “I have no idea where Dylan is at. I have no involvement with where Dylan is at.”

Mark Redwine said he won’t be at his house Saturday morning during the rally. When asked what he will be doing instead, he said he’ll be doing “anything but being around here.”

“If this is what they feel like they need to do to keep this in the media’s attention and keep the search for Dylan alive, I don’t think I have the ability to stop them, nor do I really want to try,” he said.

 

[Dee10]

What LE has to say from Helen's link:

The Sheriff’s Office in no way is involved in organizing the rally outside the father’s house, Bender said.

“We’re not encouraging people to take part. We’re not discouraging people from it,” he said. “We just want it clear that this protest is not in any way connected with the Sheriff’s Office.”

WOW!!!

 

[Dee10]

What Mark's friend had to say:

Teresa Martinez, a friend of Mark Redwine, said Cory and Elaine Redwine have sent “ugly” and “threatening” messages to Mark Redwine, asking him, “Where is Dylan, you piece of (explicative).”

Martinez spent 2½ weeks with Mark Redwine during the Christmas holiday.

She said the rally seems negative.

“What they’re about to do is very, very disrespectful to Dylan,” she said. “They seem to be gathering as a lynch mob.”

Mark Redwine said the Vallecito community has been supportive, even shoveling his driveway as a show of support.

He has tried to be involved with activities aimed at finding his son, he said, but organizers have shunned his participation.

“I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t,” he said. “Emotions are running very high right now, with all of this.”

 

[The Cheese]

From the same link, from Elaine -

The rally is intended to remind the public that Dylan remains missing and to encourage his father, Mark Redwine, to be more communicative with family members, said his ex-wife, Elaine Redwine.

snip

“We’re rallying to bring more awareness to Dylan and his story and get his face out there, and try to encourage Dylan’s dad to be more a part of the search efforts,” she said.

 

[cluciano63]

Thanks Helen from your link:

In a phone interview Wednesday, Mark Redwine said the rally is an attempt by some to “play judge and jury.”

“I firmly believe that this is just a misguided attempt to draw attention to me when the reality of the fact is, you know, we don’t know where Dylan is at,” he said. “I have no idea where Dylan is at. I have no involvement with where Dylan is at.”

Mark Redwine said he won’t be at his house Saturday morning during the rally. When asked what he will be doing instead, he said he’ll be doing “anything but being around here.”

“If this is what they feel like they need to do to keep this in the media’s attention and keep the search for Dylan alive, I don’t think I have the ability to stop them, nor do I really want to try,” he said.

If he would have this long of a conversation with a reporter, why not try to find a way to communicate with his son and/or ER? If only he had spoken to them early on, before all of this hostility had built up, things might be very different now.

 

[The Cheese]

you piece of (explicative)

I love it.