CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[cluciano63]

How about a failed LDT but no other evidence showing responsibility for the disappearance. Should LE focus on that person vs someone else who may have evidence that points to them or should they investigate both persons?

I hope they always follow evidence first, regardless of polygraphs.

 

[cluciano63]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=543046285723197&id=257918890900403

A statement from LE Shupe on this page, from a release a while back, says they are not calling or ruling him out as a POI.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think it usually does, UNLESS there is other evidence that is pointing towards the person. JMO

That's why I said a lack of evidence. They were the last person with the child but there is no evidence showing someone else is responsible or that they are responsible but they pass the LDT. Does LE clear this person or continue to investigate them?

 

[marlywings]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=543046285723197&id=257918890900403

A statement from LE Shupe on this page, from a release a while back, says they are not calling or ruling him out as a POI.

Yes...with a date November 27th, which was prior to the Dec 1st report I posted.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hiya OBE:seeya: glad to see you

As far Mark Redwine being accused of killing his own child in the media by his ex-wife Elaine.. TBH she has never stated Mark Redwine killed their son, but rather after more than a week into her son's disappearance she voiced IMO her honest, terrifying worst nightmare in fearing that could Mark have removed Dylan from the situation.. she still 2 months well into her son still being missing has not publicly made the accusation that Mark Redwine murdered their son..

Regarding comparison of Mark Lunsford and the suspicion that swirled around him until it was learned that his little Jessi had in fact come face to face with the devil himself, John Couey.. and the face of this devil incarnate was not only the face and eyes that Jessi last saw before her unimaginable, torturous death..but even worse there were literal dozens of hours that she had his evil fully unleashed on her in brutal and perverse ways that make grown adults tremble in just merely *thinking* about what she endured..

Yes, you're correct there was suspicion in some people's opinion regarding Mark Lunsford being involved and responsible for his daughter's disappearance.(as a side note, not that it matters, but I personally was NOT of the opinion that Mark was in any way involved in Jessi's disappearance).. And several have used Mark Lunsford as a comparison to M. Redwine throughout various stages of Dylan's threads and how that so, too was Mark Lunsford like Mark Redwine in also being NOT INVOLVED(in some opinions), yet facing the same erroneous accusations, circumstance/situations, and unfounded suspicion that's baseless..

But IMO I could not disagree more with this comparison of these two men and the suspicion(baseless or not) that they face or have faced during the course of the investigation and search for each of their children..

IMO Mark Redwine is NOTHING like, nor even similar in any way to Mark Lunsford..not alike as a person, and not even alike or similar WRT baseless suspicion and scrutiny either of these men are facing or have faced during the search for their child.

Mark Lunsford fought tirelessly to keep searching for Jessi , REGARDLESS OF WHAT SUSPICION OR BS WAS HURLED HIS WAY.

Mark Lunsford WAS THE VOICE for Jessi, who was unable to speak and cry out for help, and her father with the extreme discomfort, awkwardness, and totally unfamiliar with speaking publicly and being on camera..MARK LUNSFORD FOR ONE PERSON AND ONE PERSON ONLY PUT ALL OF THAT ASIDE AND CONTINUED TO PUBLICLY FIGHT FOR JESSI IN EVERY WAY HUMANLY POSSIBLE..

That's not happening here!

There are also IMO no similarities with suspicion on each of the fathers.. IMO snipped below gives a tiny glimpse into the well full of facts that IMO prove these two individuals, nor their sharing being or having been under an umbrella of suspicion, ARE EVEN IN THE SAME OR EVEN NEAR BALLPARK..

I'll absolutely, without doubt agree that one of these men did have baseless suspicion and scrutiny regarding their possible involvement in their child's disappearance.

<snip>

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Mark Lunsford passed FBI LDT, Mark Lunsford passed voice analysis test.. how do we know?.. because LE TOLD US..
Unlike what's been claimed that LE WOULD JUST NEVER EVER RELEASE SUCH RESULTS.. The fact is YES, THEY DO!

Another fact in the full well is that Jessica Lunsford was NOT WITH Mark Lunsford at the point in time when she disappeared..she was with her grandparents, in their home. It was a verified fact that Mark Lunsford was spending the night at a girlfriend's home, whom he was with the entire time in question of when Jessica disappeared.

Mark Redwine had just within hours received Dylan into his physical custody due to court ordered visitation and this is from where Dylan disappeared.. there is not even a point in time established of when Dylan disappeared.

Really this is just a tiny bit of what IMO presents that there is a clear cut, very strong difference between everything regarding these two men.. IMO I find the differences so great and so many that I wouldn't be able to even correlate or compare the two.. IMO the differences are night and day.

All jmo.

Hi Smooth!

She set off this firestorm and there is no way to deny that since there has been countless posts and threads about what she said. And it is still the main thing being discussed imo.

I am very well aware that Mark Lunsford wasnt home although some even blamed him for daring to stay over at his girlfriend's house even though he was a 40 year old adult. But a lot didnt believe it anyway and said his girlfriend was just covering for him. They accused him or his father of sexually abusing Jessica and then murdering her. Some even accused Ruth and said she was covering up for her husband. Oh yes I do remember it very well. The entire accusations were sickening and revolting, imo. How I wish I could forget.

Yes he passed his poly but not once did LE come out and give those results before Couey was caught nor rule him or his parents out. No one was ruled out until LE finally grew a brain and caught John Couey. The false allegations finally simmered down only when JC was finally caught until then it was 24/7 day after day.

Yes he was the voice for Jessie as he was being shredded as being trash, a biker with long hair who live in a mobile home. I remember all of it because I was one of the very few at the time who supported Mark Lunsford and his family from the minute Jessie went missing and still do support Mark in his endeavors. I remember how hard it was having a minority opinion. Just like I remember it when I supported Marlene Lamar from day one, her boyfriend Rick who was being falsely accused left and right or Steve Greone, Ed Smart and others when the vast majority were just as certain as they are in this case that they were the perpretrators of such heinous deeds against their children.

I may be old but I have an astute memory and have been on message boards for over 12 years now. I wish sometimes I could forget all the nasty hurtful things said about totally innocent people who had lost their child or children.

I do not base my opinion on emotions or simply immediately blame parents because they are parents who have had the unfortunate experience of having their child go missing on their watch. Jessica Ridgeway's mom was also vilified because she did not come forward until 5 days after Jessica went missing to the media, and if they hadnt found the creep, I suspect just like in the past there would be some thinking she was involved or covering up for someone. They were already stating they believed her tears were fake.

No one created this divide but ER and her group. I dont blame Mark Redwine for not wanting to be around those people. Imo he needs to stay far away from them. Imo they are dangerous. Surrounding his home like a bunch of vigilantes is not my idea of justice when LE has not even hinted he is a suspect or POI. All it does is deepen the divide. All this soap opera drama does nothing to find Dylan nor what happened to him.

It was quite ironic to see that Corey wrote that at one time he thought MR was the best dad in the world..looked up to him and wanted to be like him. It seems Corey is resentful that his dad took a job as a truck driver and wasnt home much after CR was 13. He and ER divorced not too long after that and I find that an interesting aspect of the family dynamics too.

imo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I hope they always follow evidence first, regardless of polygraphs.

Thank you. LE should follow the evidence and not let the polygraphs control their investigation. MOO.

 

[katydid23]

That's why I said a lack of evidence. They were the last person with the child but there is no evidence showing someone else is responsible or that they are responsible but they pass the LDT. Does LE clear this person or continue to investigate them?

I think one of the clues is his resistance to taking the test. That alone tells LE something, imo. No matter if it is passed or failed or inconclusive, if he agrees to take one, that says a alot. Just as his resistance says a lot, imo

 

[cluciano63]

Thank you. LE should follow the evidence and not let the polygraphs control their investigation. MOO.

But in this case, I have seen little of late that leads me to think LE's main focus is other than MR, JMO. If they don't have a focus on a particular person, they are doing nothing to keep the community and state focused on other possibilities.

 

[MrsPC]

sorry if this has already been posted

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/increased-efforts-sought-for-missing-boy

"I think he has a part in this. I'm not sure exactly to what extent," Cory Redwine told the Herald.

The sheriff's office would not comment on if they believe mark is hiding anything, but have not named him a suspect.

 

[Tennlyn]

I don't recall the following being changed since early December. If anyone has a report which states it has could you please post it??

BBM

12/01/2012

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, was interviewed at length Thursday night by investigators. He did not ask for an attorney and is not considered a suspect or person of interest in the case, officials said.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...or-help-from-public-in-criminal-investigation

1/26/2013
"The sheriff's office would not comment on if they believe Mark is hiding anything, but have not named him a suspect."
http://www.kasa.com/dpps/news/crime/increased-efforts-sought-for-missing-boy_5425512

This article & video has the most recent comments I could find, and LE just isn't saying whether MR is or isn't a suspect. :moo:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think one of the clues is his resistance to taking the test. That alone tells LE something, imo. No matter if it is passed or failed or inconclusive, if he agrees to take one, that says a alot. Just as his resistance says a lot, imo

What resistance? Has LE stated that Mark was asked to take a polygraph and refused? Stuff from Facebook is considered to be rumor. MOO.

 

[azgrandma]

Whoever he is, he only posts about that 10% of the job he does. Shame he didn't elaborate on what the other 90% entails as now that will be left to people's imaginations. I fail to see how MR could have not been truthful about his job - LE would know exactly what his job description is, and probably where he has been every day for the last 2 months. I don't see him getting away with claiming to be a truck driver in public if that isn't the truth.
:moo:

IMO MR never claimed to be a truck driver at all, IIRC it was assumed that he worked for United Pipeline and that job entailed driving a truck. I'm not sure what others believed but "truck driver" to me is someone that drives an 18 wheeler, which I did not believe he did. I believed he drove a truck for a job and with that a CDL would be needed.

 

[mck16]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=543046285723197&id=257918890900403

A statement from LE Shupe on this page, from a release a while back, says they are not calling or ruling him out as a POI.

that quote sounds like a politician. Not really saying anything. jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But in this case, I have seen little of late that leads me to think LE's main focus is other than MR, JMO. If they don't have a focus on a particular person, they are doing nothing to keep the community and state focused on other possibilities.

You could be right and MR is their focus. But maybe not. I think that their keeping their investigation to themselves at this point and not sharing anything of substance with the public. That's not surprising to me. MOO.

 

[cluciano63]

that quote sounds like a politician. Not really saying anything. jmo

Either way, to me, he is clearly being treated as a Poi, no matter what words they chose. This week was a perfect time to "clear" him, if they could, to save the possible hassle of the rally.

 

[marlywings]

1/26/2013
"The sheriff's office would not comment on if they believe Mark is hiding anything, but have not named him a suspect."
http://www.kasa.com/dpps/news/crime/increased-efforts-sought-for-missing-boy_5425512

This article & video has the most recent comments I could find, and LE just isn't saying whether MR is or isn't a suspect. :moo:

Because they've already stated, back in early Dec, that MR "is not considered a suspect or person of interest in the case"

 

[mck16]

IMO MR never claimed to be a truck driver at all, IIRC it was assumed that he worked for United Pipeline and that job entailed driving a truck. I'm not sure what others believed but "truck driver" to me is someone that drives an 18 wheeler, which I did not believe he did. I believed he drove a truck for a job and with that a CDL would be needed.

I totally agree with this statement and always have. I never commented to the contrary because I really didn't want to start anything with anyone. Thanks for posting your opinion on this and maybe the debate will end. Thanks again. jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Either way, to me, he is clearly being treated as a Poi, no matter what words they chose. This week was a perfect time to "clear" him, if they could, to save the possible hassle of the rally.

I guess that you could take it that way but I take it as LE doesn't want to say either way. LE may be treating Mark as a POI but they sure aren't coming out an clearly saying that. MOO.

 

[Dixie811]

IMO MR never claimed to be a truck driver at all, IIRC it was assumed that he worked for United Pipeline and that job entailed driving a truck. I'm not sure what others believed but "truck driver" to me is someone that drives an 18 wheeler, which I did not believe he did. I believed he drove a truck for a job and with that a CDL would be needed.

You make a great point, azgrandma! Some people definitely ran with that assumption that he was a "truck driver" as in a long distance, 18-wheel driver. Yesterday, when it was said that he in fact drives a truck for work, but not all day or an 18-wheeler (this is also still RUMOR I believe, actually) I felt as though some people following the case took this to mean he lied about something or misrepresented himself. All MR has ever said (that I am aware of) regarding work/truck driving is that he passed Dylan's flier out to other truck-drivers from work. We don't know anything about what kind of truck-driving those employees do either. I would guess he thought it would be beneficial to pass fliers out to these guys because they travel to work-sites around the region.

 

[azgrandma]

It's not all on the father's shoulders though. Kinda hard to get past being publically accused of doing something horrid to your child, then being expected to make nice with them.
I get it, someone has to be blamed. Someone always has to blame someone else and point fingers for their own feelings. Instead of looking at this with an open mind, the finger got pointed right away and accusations were made. It's hard to unring that bell. Look what it's created. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

BBM - that bell wasn't rung for over a week, so IMOO there is NO excuse for MR to not have spoken with the mother of his missing child for that first week! None.
IMO it doesn't matter if feelings were going to be hurt, if MR was worried about getting his handed to him by ER, if ER was a going to yell or scream, those are all assumptions that have been made and never proven. With everything WE know, which is nothing, there is nothing that prevented MR from speaking with ER during that first week.