CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #30

[absentia]

I didn't take it as odd at all...only that she was thinking and trying really hard to not say what she was really thinking about being asked that question.

She is a better person than I...cause if I was in her situation, I wouldn't have been able to control what I said.

okay. that's a good theory. it did seem like she was thinking about something that she did not say. and then she said something sort of in response to whatever it was she was thinking, which we don't know.

her body language was very suspect though. and I really am shocked to be questioning her all of a sudden.

 

[jjenny]

looks like local LE believes DR was in the MR home, from the video, then?

why does ER state that she wishes she could go back to that day and do things differently? Does she mean she wouldn't have let DR get on the plane to go see MR?

Yes, I think she means she should have refused send Dylan over to MR.

 

[scorekeeper]

is anybody looking at the FB page for the PI that "took" Dylan's case?
was wondering if he posted any updates

 

[Flutterflies]

thanks.....I had dogs barking at other dogs on our local channel I was watching (I had my headphones on for the 9 news but....)

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I saw your post after mine. I underlined only to bring emphasis to that part. It was not related to your post. :blushing:
As it was presented by Melissa, M will take another poly if LE asks him to. I think that is significant.

I know all about dogs and barking when you do not want them to. :floorlaugh:
We have five!

 

[Dee10]

BBM

So Mark said that he will take a second polygraph if LE asks him to. Since LE will not comment on the polygraphs, how long before we hear that he was asked to take a second polygraph and refused? My guess is that it won't take very long. MOO.

I hate when you get an answer that leads to more questions :banghead:

* Did LE then just tell him it was inconclusive?

* Why wouldn't LE ask for a 2nd one if it really was inconclusive in a serious criminal investigation that the FBI, etc. is involved in?

* Did the reporter just assume he hasn't been asked, since he said he would?

 

[fedfan4life]

Forgive me, but I am behind.

You know what doesn't make sense to me? That a father could fight to keep his visitation rights and go to the trouble of flying his son to be with him on the holiday and then do something to hurt or kill him within hours of his arrival. THAT makes no sense to me. Yet it is thrown around here on a daily basis.
There are many, many crimes committed every day in this country that make no sense, yet they happen. EVERY DAY. Because they don't make sense to logical, reasonable people... but they make sense to whoever does them, which is something we will never figure out. Ask any LEO, they will tell you that they see things all the time that do not, and will not EVER make sense.

The motivations behind the crime do not make sense to logical, reasonable people. But, the act itself and the circumstances surrounding it certainly do - MUST in fact - make sense. If it doesn't make sense, it likely didn't happen. Forensic science does not seek to uncover motivation (reasonable or otherwise). Rather, it seeks to make the pieces of a puzzle fit into a state of reality.

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[Flutterflies]

is anybody looking at the FB page for the PI that "took" Dylan's case?
was wondering if he posted any updates

I have not seen the FB page for the PI. What is his name?
I never could find the post you mentioned earlier that was on FB from him or was that the retired LE guy?

 

[TxLady2]

It's a good question and I don't have an answer. But there are a lot of factors to consider in taking the poly. LE has never said they asked him to a second poly and he refused. I have never seen that anywhere in MSM or from LE.

And, I'm not saying it for fact - just possibilities. My understanding is that when the FBI is involved in a case, they generally do the polys. I could be wrong about that. Also, just comparing this to the Baby Lisa case, where LE said the parents stopped cooperating. I just tend to think that if MR stopped cooperating, LE would give us some indication of that. Maybe not - this LE force seems to hold things pretty close to the chest. :dunno:

Salem

I agree. I am pretty positive that if the FBI administered the first poly, they are not going to discuss those results with anybody, except other LE. And they certainly are not going to tell the ex-wife what the results are. LE might tell Mark, and he might have told Elaine or Cory himself, but I don't believe FBI would tell them, either way.

 

[SmoothOperator]

My thoughts are if MR is lying or changing his story it must be so obvious to LE! They know word for word exactly what MR has said in statements to them. I just can't imagine that he could be that bad of a liar or would be so obvious in changing his story.
I sure wish a body language expert would comment on both interviews. I see what people are saying about Elaine and I think if it were MR who did this we would be all over it.
I'm so confused!!!

Exactly!! She exhibited so many characteristics of what MR has been accused of doing. Shaking her head 'no', looking down, stumbling in her speech. I am not saying she had anything to do with this, what I am saying is how either she or MR react to questions by body jestures, doesn't mean a thing. jmo

MOO and I am fine to agree to disagree with any/all differing opinions regarding observations of Elaine..

moo is that ELAINE IS ABSOLUTELY HIDING SOMETHING.. Something that IMO at this point in time for me personally would be damn near impossible to hide, therefor I'd say that I, too would be giving off vibes of not being completely forthcoming AND/OR hiding something.

I am not attempting to put words or thoughts in Elaine's mouth ot head but rather strictly a POV that I see as a very real possibility, if not probability ..

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it is the worst of worst and IMO it'd be damn difficult to refrain from shouting it from the rooftops!...jmo.

again this moo and I, too like everyone else am allowed to have it..I'm not stating it as fact, and repeatedly ensuring to state its MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I hate when you get an answer that leads to more questions :banghead:

* Did LE then just tell him it was inconclusive?

* Why wouldn't LE ask for a 2nd one if it really was inconclusive in a serious criminal investigation that the FBI, etc. is involved in?

* Did the reporter just assume he hasn't been asked, since he said he would?

Are you asking if LE just told Mark today that his polygraph was inconclusive? I don't think so but I may be wrong.

If his initial polygraph was in fact inconclusive, I think that it would be a good idea for LE to ask for another one. But we don't know that Mark's polygraph was inconclusive, only that LE told him that it was.

It's anyone's guess as to whether a reporter got things right or wrong. LOL.

 

[scorekeeper]

Elaine Redwine:
You know &#8230;. (pause) I wish I did because then he&#8217;d be home&#8230; I mean&#8230; I&#8230;I wish I could relive that day&#8230; and&#8230;and&#8230;and &#8230; do things a lot differently. Ummm &#8230;
I had absolutely nothing to do with Dylan&#8217;s disappearance&#8230; and&#8230;I really feel sorry for the person who did.

This is Elaine's response.

I think she was trying so hard to answer without totally breaking down and to not show frustration/anger. Elaine has been going none stop since the day Dylan went missing. She probably blames herself for putting him on the plane (I know I would) and second guessing herself for not fight tooth and nail for Dylan to not have to go. In watching her she seems to "think" before she answers which some of us take as hesitating.

I feel no different about Elaine than I did from day one.

With Mark, he's perfecting his game.

 

[scorekeeper]

I have not seen the FB page for the PI. What is his name?
I never could find the post you mentioned earlier that was on FB from him or was that the retired LE guy?

Not the retired LE (shirtless) guy.

This guy posted about 8 hours ago. Initials M.O.

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine?filter=2

 

[nursebeeme]

I have done a lot of research today on inconclusive polys.. did you know that they are largely influenced by the EXAMINER? and also not getting proper background?

It largely has nothing to do with the person being examined.

I hope Mark takes another one... and I hope he perhaps asks for a fbi polygrapher. I am not sure who did his first test but if I were him that is what I would ask for.

 

[Dee10]

Are you asking if LE just told Mark today that his polygraph was inconclusive? I don't think so but I may be wrong.

If his initial polygraph was in fact inconclusive, I think that it would be a good idea for LE to ask for another one. But we don't know that Mark's polygraph was inconclusive, only that LE told him that it was.

It's anyone's guess as to whether a reporter got things right or wrong. LOL.

No, I meant the lst one (sorry I wasn't clear) maybe he did pass. I can't believe they wouldn't ask for another one if it was really inconclusive. I agree about the reporter too, who knows. I think I will wade back & see what ER said again to NG...:what:

 

[SCHMAE]

MOO and I am fine to agree to disagree with any/all differing opinions regarding observations of Elaine..

moo is that ELAINE IS ABSOLUTELY HIDING SOMETHING.. Something that IMO at this point in time for me personally would be damn near impossible to hide, therefor I'd say that I, too would be giving off vibes of not being completely forthcoming AND/OR hiding something.

I am not attempting to put words or thoughts in Elaine's mouth ot head but rather strictly a POV that I see as a very real possibility, if not probability ..

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it is the worst of worst and IMO it'd be damn difficult to refrain from shouting it from the rooftops!...jmo.

again this moo and I, too like everyone else am allowed to have it..I'm not stating it as fact, and repeatedly ensuring to state its MOO.

I see what you're saying here. Interesting ! Tks

 

[jjenny]

No, I meant the lst one (sorry I wasn't clear) maybe he did pass. I can't believe they wouldn't ask for another one if it was really inconclusive. I agree about the reporter too, who knows. I think I will wade back & see what ER said again to NG...:what:

What makes you think that LE didn't ask for another polygraph?

 

[cluciano63]

I see what you're saying here. Interesting ! Tks

Wish I did...

 

[Babbi-Dan]

No, I meant the lst one (sorry I wasn't clear) maybe he did pass. I can't believe they wouldn't ask for another one if it was really inconclusive. I agree about the reporter too, who knows. I think I will wade back & see what ER said again to NG...:what:

Maybe they don't think a second one is necessary because they have been able to verify everything he has told them....?

 

[TxLady2]

You weren't the only one. She hesitated, rambled on like she wasn't going to answer the question at all. I expected her to with honestly and sincerity deny it categorically. She didn't do that, to start with. Had my hinky meter going, big time.

Mine, too. And the looking down to the left really set my meter off! The question seemed to throw her off, maybe she wasn't expecting it. Compared to Mark's quick answer, when asked the same question, it is very strange. She seemed to be uncomfortable about being asked that, like she really didn't want to answer, but had to form the answer in her mind before she did, and that is way, way odd! I've had problems with some of her statements, but never had the reaction I felt today when I watched her. I don't want to say she was lying, but something was truly not right with the way she responded.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I have done a lot of research today on inconclusive polys.. did you know that they are largely influenced by the EXAMINER? and also not getting proper background?

It largely has nothing to do with the person being examined.

I hope Mark takes another one... and I hope he perhaps asks for a fbi polygrapher. I am not sure who did his first test but if I were him that is what I would ask for.

I've always assumed that polygraphs were about whether or not a person was showing signs of deception. What does inconclusive mean? That the test subject showed only a small amount of deception? Was any deception shown only about insignificant issues?