CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #30

[Babbi-Dan]

Hello everyone! :seeya:

I am new here and found this site because of my interest in finding Dylan. My mother and sister live in Durango, and I have been to Vallecito a few times in the past. There's just something about this little guy that keeps nagging at me. I pray they find him soon!!!

I have been trying to read up and take in all of the "evidence" presented thus far. Having not completed the task, I do have some questions and thought it might save some time if I just posted the questions and received some quick answers from you "seasoned" members.

First, it seems to me, MR would have to be the stupidest man on the planet to deliberately plan to have his son go missing the very first day he arrived. This leads me to believe that if MR is involved, it was the result of an accident, or an elaborate hoax to hide Dylan with someone close to him. Lies can be told to Dylan, that he would not, at least in the beginning, know that something was "up." But either of these would put MR at the center of the investigation. Probably not likely.

Next: There seems to be some confusion as to whether or not MR actually took a polygraph. Why would the authorities not come right out and say he took the test and then tell what the results were? I see this all the time in other missing person cases. Why not this one? Also, have the RSO's in the area taken polygraph tests as well?

I assume the authorities have questioned everyone in the area that might have had someone visiting for the holidays. In a town that seriously thins out after the summer season, I find it strange that anyone would even know that Dylan was at the house. And MR and Dylan supposedly came home after dark, so no one would have seen Dylan going into the house. Perhaps someone living in the area heard MR talk about his son coming to visit? Otherwise, how would anyone even know that Dylan would be at the residence? And that MR would not be home with him?

Thinking along those lines, Dylan's mother and brother live only six hours away. Is it possible someone "they" know could have driven to the home and taken Dylan? Perhaps this person told Dylan he would be taken back to his mother?

Living in a remote area, MR most likely would feel that his son would be safe while he was away. I don't find the fact that he left Dylan alone while he ran errands a problem. But, I do think it odd that he didn't text Dylan to see if he was up and getting ready or to let Dylan know he would be home at such and such a time.

Also, I find the text from R at 9:27 a little strange: "Call me when you get here too." Bang on the door AND call him? Is it possible that Dylan was talking to R earlier over MR's home phone because the battery on his cell phone died? Perhaps making arrangements to come the next day? Also strange to me is the fact that R didn't send more text messages to Dylan when he failed to show up the next morning. The text at 10:00, "Come to nandos" sounds like R has spoken to Dylan and is giving him further instructions as to his whereabouts. Anyone know what/where "nandos" is?

Could the "kids" involved be helping to hide Dylan? There are lots of empty cabins this time of year. They could be taking food to him. Of course, my argument against this scenario is that by now Dylan would be thinking enough is enough! I do not discount that he could have run away. Thirteen year olds don't think like we do! He could be tired of his family fighting and tired of being pushed around by the courts.

My prayers go out to his family members (all of them!), and especially for those trying to solve the case. I do hope they find him soon so I can quit worrying about him!

 

[Allusonz]

How does Mark's original story go from " dead to the world " to now texting when he went to bed . Dead to the world does not leave any room for misunderstanding here .

I believe one part refers to the morning of the errands.

The other refers to the night prior to the errands.

I am not seeing where his original story changed.

 

[jjenny]

So if Bender said a stranger took him OR something happened in the house, it sounds as though MR is not off the hook yet, IMO. Also sounds like they are kind of at square one? Or do others feel more confident?

If police think either something happened at the house, or Dylan was abducted, then it doesn't seem like they made any progress.

 

[Kimster]

Hey Babbi-Dan !!!

:welcome: :wagon:


:greetings:

 

[cluciano63]

Now I am wondering if MR really could NOT wake Dylan in the morning. I mean, he says he tried for how long?

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Thanks, Kimster!

Say, would you please be so kind as to tell me what "LE" stands for in this Dylan conversation?

It took me a while to figure out that MOO did not mean y'all were a bunch of dairy farmers!

I always joke about old people and technology mixed together are not always a pretty thing!

 

[jjenny]

Now I am wondering if MR really could NOT wake Dylan in the morning. I mean, he says he tried for how long?

In one of the versions, Dylan talked by acknowledging he understood MR had to leave but will be back later.

 

[Flutterflies]

bbm "out like a light" was in the am not when Dylan went to bed

IIRC, he said "out like a light," not that this is a better expression to use, IMO.

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Originally Posted by asyousay
How does Mark's original story go from " dead to the world " to now texting when he went to bed . Dead to the world does not leave any room for misunderstanding here .

 

[scorekeeper]

Melissa Blasius‏@MelissaBlasius

@Paulsy01 @9NEWS Both did. Mom says she passed. Dad says detectives told him his was inconclusive. He's says he's willing to retake it.

 

[Babbi-Dan]

We had a youth go missing from Richwoods, MO years ago. Left home on his green bike to go to a friends house. Poof! Disappeared. No clues. You might want to reference Shawn Hornbeck and also Ben Ownby. Ben went missing from Union, MO. Both found about an hour away and safe!

As bleak as Dylan's case sounds, there's always room for hope!

 

[cluciano63]

In one of the versions, Dylan talked by acknowledging he understood MR had to leave but will be back later.

In one of tonight's versions? I know he said that before.

 

[jjenny]

In one of tonight's versions? I know he said that before.

No, the previous version.

 

[Kimster]

Thanks, Kimster!

Say, would you please be so kind as to tell me what "LE" stands for in this Dylan conversation?

It took me a while to figure out that MOO did not mean y'all were a bunch of dairy farmers!

I always joke about old people and technology mixed together are not always a pretty thing!

LE = Law Enforcement

Here's a link to help you out with the "lingo": [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193885"]Websleuths Lingo - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Dee10]

I always go to the timeline. Ok Mark left Dylan texting on the couch & went to bed.

Inconsistency - Previously MR said Dylan basically came home & passed out. Now Dylan was awake texting. He went to bed. RED FLAG

TEXTING - With exception of the ONE text. The phone was off around 8:00.

TIMELINE - McDonald 7:22 + take out + 45 min. home. Around 8:00 ish

ETA - Allow eat-in time too.

Just going back to this CHANGE in MR's story above. I am trying to be open minded how this would make sense. LE knows, but they aren't saying. Trying to think they are more texts on something else & his last text was the 9:37 as they didn't specify it was the only text and I was assuming above when I posted ONE. Maybe that is not true? Once again it would point out something that is not showing up on Dyan's account. If one post didn't show up, why not more? That is my point. HOWEVER, we do have a BIG change in Mark's story at this point. Is there more to the interview that will be dragged out that may change things???

Maybe we will hear more about the night & what happened that Dylan stopped texting on his phone & perhaps used something else. The reporter said she talked to him for two hours. But, at this point, I am going to stop trying to give excuses for a very possible POI in a missing case and let Mark defend himself. Sorry I would rather be accused of saying "you are suspicious" than making trying to defend or come up with excuses for a possible SOB. :what:

 

[SmoothOperator]

**my apologies for being way behind**

1. I don't believe that it occurred that way. He may have interpreted it that way, but LE doesn't encourage vigilantism or public/family participation into their active investigations. It can greatly compromise justice outcomes.

2. If LE had any evidence implicating MR, they would be the ones 'bringing the pressure', while discouraging folks from impeding their investigation by taking the law, in whatever way, into their own hands.

1. I don't believe Cory or anyone else has first of all even spoke of or initiated vigilantism ..and certainly hasn't stated that LE encouraged vigilantism..

And as for 2. If only the real world was as simple as the above described.. if only real investigations were just that simple and all followed the same suit of investigation.. or step-by-step certainties of how an investigation goes, with each step indicating a certain something, or when absent indicating a certain something, etc, etc with the simplistic investigation certainties..

Fact is it just does not even begin to work like that, nothing simplistic about each and everyone of them, and certainly no certainties of what each step is indicative, and if that particular step is absent then it, too has a specific meaning.. that's just not realistic or accurate of the intricate workings of each investigation..LE can have and do have entirely different motives of how/why they may choose to take a specific route in an investigation all based upon the case, victim, and most importantly the suspect.

LE very well could have a quite damning piece of evidence against Mark Redwine, but one piece does not successfully prosecute an individual no matter how much they may know for certain someone's absolutely responsible.. it flat out takes time, and many times months and even years(and sadly but surely sometimes never happens) to build up that evidence that a DA needs in order to do their job of successfully prosecuting the suspect to ENSURE JUSTICE on the behalf of the victim and their loved ones..

The instant gratification of getting and having it all now is unfortunately for the victim and his loved ones just not how many cases work..even if theres sufficient evidence to the point that LE knows, and even the DA knows exactly whose responsible but what they "know" is not what matters, its ONLY about what they can prove, period.

So, IMO the fact that MR is not arrested, and just because you may not be privy to what's happening with LE and MR certainly does NOT mean that there isn't heat being applied, various strategies being used in the investigation, and even a piece of evidence that's quite damning..IMO its not realistic to even begin to assume that just because we don't know or see the intricate workings of this investigation DOES NOT at all equate that MR is not involved.jmo...at this point we just don't know.

(ETA: the use of "you" is speaking in general as in anyone and everyone)

all jmo.

 

[Allusonz]

We had a youth go missing from Richwoods, MO years ago. Left home on his green bike to go to a friends house. Poof! Disappeared. No clues. You might want to reference Shawn Hornbeck and also Ben Ownby. Ben went missing from Union, MO. Both found about an hour away and safe!

As bleak as Dylan's case sounds, there's always room for hope!

:welcome:

Great first post!

I think there is always hope, but must admit that the HRD hits concern many of us, especially since it was different dogs and handlers on 2 separate days. It is something I cannot ignore.

 

[scorekeeper]

Melissa Blasius‏@MelissaBlasius

@traciearly @9NEWS Dylans friends say they had a good relationship - more buddies than father/son. They did road trips to see baseball games

 

[TxJan1971]

In one of the versions, Dylan talked by acknowledging he understood MR had to leave but will be back later.

No, the previous version.

BBM
“He was sleeping on the couch, and I told him I had to go about my errands,” Mark Redwine said in a Sunday telephone interview. “He said, ‘OK, I understand.’ The focus for him was to go to his friend’s, but I live far back in the canyon. There’s a substantial distance between my house and the lake, so it doesn’t make sense that he would walk out, but he’s a 13-year-old boy, and who knows what they think sometimes?”

http://www.gazette.com/articles/dylan-148038-son-redwine.html

 

[Dee10]

If police think either something happened at the house, or Dylan was abducted, then it doesn't seem like they made any progress.

I wouldn't want to bet on that one! Notice this was the first time it was mention in the home & didn't include kidnapping? It is a slow progression. But "in the home" is a huge progression. IMO

 

[TxJan1971]

I transcribed about 98% of the newsfeed from tonight but am missing a small bit of the last portion. Am waiting for Melissa Brasius to post a video that can be reviewed. If anyone else has a copy/link that is workable now, please provide me with a link so I can finish the transcript, get it to a mod for approval, and then share. TIA