CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #30

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  • #941
The motivations behind the crime do not make sense to logical, reasonable people. But, the act itself and the circumstances surrounding it certainly do - MUST in fact - make sense. If it doesn't make sense, it likely didn't happen. Forensic science does not seek to uncover motivation (reasonable or otherwise). Rather, it seeks to make the pieces of a puzzle fit into a state of reality.

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I think we're talking about two different things here, but basically I agree with what you're saying. I did say that it might make sense to the criminal mind but not to normal people, like me.

OTOH, you're talking about forensic scientists figuring out what actually did happen and in what manner it happened, am I correct?

I don't think any of us can ever justify in our minds why a child has to die, or why someone would want to hurt them. That's basically what I was referring to, not to the scientific facts related to HOW it was done.
 
  • #942
It is possible that Dylan walked out of the house, someone saw him, struck up a conversation with him, then they left together. From this point, we do not know what happened to Dylan. If this scenario did happen, wouldn't that be classified as "something happened to Dylan while he was at the house" meaning he was taken from the house? I do not think it necessarily means while at the house, MR did something to DR.
MOO

And he grabbed all his stuff and the fishing pole. Don't forget about the missing fishing pole.
 
  • #943
BBM

So Mark said that he will take a second polygraph if LE asks him to. Since LE will not comment on the polygraphs, how long before we hear that he was asked to take a second polygraph and refused? My guess is that it won't take very long. MOO.

It could be for whatever reason LE doesn't need MR to take another poly. If they haven't asked him to, then they must not need him to. And if they asked him and he refused, they would at least say that MR is not cooperating with the investigation. IMO
 
  • #944
I think the statement that "either he was abducted or something happened to him at the house" is simply referring to location. It covers all bases. Either something happened at the house-- MR did something to him, an accident happened & MR covered it up, or a stranger came to the home. OR he was abducted-- as in, he left the home on foot and was then abducted.

I am not trying to read too much into that statement, as I think that is basically a way of covering all bases, while excluding runaway.
 
  • #945
It could be for whatever reason LE doesn't need MR to take another poly. If they haven't asked him to, then they must not need him to. And if they asked him and he refused, they would at least say that MR is not cooperating with the investigation. IMO

LE will not say MR is not cooperating based merely on refusing to take a second poly. Cooperation merely confirms the cursory search and going in for the detailed interrogation. Nothing else.

JMO and MOO
 
  • #946
  • #947
I'll tell you my take on that and smooth can correct me if I'm wrong.
ER looks like shes' hiding something because LE has possibly told her
something a real interesting tidbit about MR , perhaps and swore her
to secrecy to not say anything about it until the time is right. So
if that's the case, it might explain some of the strangeness of her
answers !

Moooooooooo , more cowbell !

That's makes so much sense. Thank you!!!!:moo:
 
  • #948
Just my own opinion... I agree that there could be another reason for ER's strange behavior besides her being involved in Dylan's disappearance (I don't believe she is). But I personally disagree with the idea that LE could have told her some information that they 'swore her to secrecy' about and that she must hide from the public.

Just my opinion though, thanks for sharing yours =)

I agree with you Dixie. I've seen some people say that LE has purposely told individuals confidential information that they don't want the public to know about.

If the confidential information is important to the investigation, I don't feel that LE would risk it getting out by giving any civilians that information in the first place. If it wasn't critical or important to keep it secret, than LE would release it on their own. JMO.
 
  • #949
They had evidence in Hornbeck case. He even contacted his own mother eventually via the internet, using the name of Shawn Devlin. His mother did not realize it was him. They were not able to follow the clues.

This is true, but I was referring to when he was originally abducted. He just vanished. We were all looking for his green bicycle. They were checking the woods and such too. Richwoods, Missouri, is not a good area and lots of speculation about his parents was going on then too. Nice to know they were not involved. But they really suffered persecution.

This reminds me of that event, that's all. I just don't want people to be so focused on MR and trying to make the evidence fit the suspect that they might miss something obvious elsewhere.
 
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  • #951
I agree. I am pretty positive that if the FBI administered the first poly, they are not going to discuss those results with anybody, except other LE. And they certainly are not going to tell the ex-wife what the results are. LE might tell Mark, and he might have told Elaine or Cory himself, but I don't believe FBI would tell them, either way.

Cory said LE issued the first polygraph and the FBI was asking him to do one for them. I don't have a link but I did read this post by Cory on FB.

Mods if you need to delete, go ahead since I cannot provide a link.

Perhaps someone else can confirm that they read this too?
 
  • #952
Tweets from the news lady

Melissa Blasius &#8207;@MelissaBlasius
Also both parents meet individually with investigations every week or so to discuss #DylanRedwine case

Dylan Redwine used cell until 9:37 the night prior to disappearing, and not at all after that. Dad's story = Detective's

Mark Redwine told me he's willing to take a second poly, but officers never scheduled a time for him to do it.

https://twitter.com/MelissaBlasius?...MelissaBlasius&utm_content=296784255084797952
 
  • #953
Well Dylan is not in the house. So he was abducted or, IMO, removed from the house not alive. But LE did not want to say that. And it seems unlikely that someone came in, killed him and took the body with them. So if MR was not in the frame, I would expect LE to simply state either he was abducted, or he left the house and got into trouble. JMO
 
  • #954
This is true, but I was referring to when he was originally abducted. He just vanished. We were all looking for his green bicycle. They were checking the woods and such too. Richwoods, Missouri, is not a good area and lots of speculation about his parents was going on then too. Nice to know they were not involved. But they really suffered persecution.

This reminds me of that event, that's all. I just don't want people to be so focused on MR and trying to make the evidence fit the suspect that they might miss something obvious elsewhere.

If there was anything obvious elsewhere...this case would not be where it is, IMO.
 
  • #955
Tweets from the news lady

Melissa Blasius &#8207;@MelissaBlasius
Also both parents meet individually with investigations every week or so to discuss #DylanRedwine case

Dylan Redwine used cell until 9:37 the night prior to disappearing, and not at all after that. Dad's story = Detective's

Mark Redwine told me he's willing to take a second poly, but officers never scheduled a time for him to do it.

https://twitter.com/MelissaBlasius?...MelissaBlasius&utm_content=296784255084797952

She appears to be saying that last message was on the cell phone also?
 
  • #956
Something happening to Dylan "while he was at the house" could simply mean a stranger/unknown person is suspected of being involved. I don't think it necessarily refers only to MR being responsible.

I think of the guy that abducted Shawn Hornbeck and Ben Ownby. Both boys were outside without parents. The guy drove up in his truck, stopped, pointed a gun at the boys and told them to get in. They complied. No evidence. No clues. Just like this case. Dylan would just have to be outside the house for something like this to happen.

Also, could be that someone looking to rob a house drove by and noticed MR's vehicle gone and thought they'd rob the place but instead found Dylan inside. I would think there would be a struggle of some sort in that case though.

Sounds like Dylan packed his stuff to go to his friends house for the day, either before or after eating his breakfast. Does anyone know if MR kept his doors locked? Some people that live in these remote places still don't lock their doors as common practice.

I agree with the bolded part, especially. I had the same ideas awhile back that someone came along and took him, but it doesn't explain the backpack being gone. But a perp might have told him to grab his backpack, that he was a friend of dad's and he'd give him a ride to his friend's.

If I am not mistaken, Ben Ownby was taken after he stepped off the school bus. There was a young girl who was kidnapped in an area pretty close to where I live recently, just after she got off the bus, and they found her body a few days later. These predators are getting bolder, some of them don't seem to care that they may have witnesses, they snatch and run. People say someone had to have seen it, but it can happen so quickly that it makes a witness confused about what they actually saw. Carlie Brucia was grabbed right off the street, the perp took her arm and led her to his car. Saying it can't happen in broad daylight in front of other people does not make it true. It can and it does.
 
  • #957
Mine, too. And the looking down to the left really set my meter off! The question seemed to throw her off, maybe she wasn't expecting it. Compared to Mark's quick answer, when asked the same question, it is very strange. She seemed to be uncomfortable about being asked that, like she really didn't want to answer, but had to form the answer in her mind before she did, and that is way, way odd! I've had problems with some of her statements, but never had the reaction I felt today when I watched her. I don't want to say she was lying, but something was truly not right with the way she responded.

When my son was 4 I had to rush him to the hospital with a broken nose and broken arm. It was kind of my fault, as i had seen him and his friend jumping up and down on the couch, and I asked them to get down, but I continued what I was doing first, before I went in to get them down. And in that split second my son fell face first onto the coffee table and then onto the floor, landing on his twisted arm.

[ they had just come from a Bday Party at a kids gym where they were on trampolines and they had a lot of sugar and soda. So I should have realized he was going to pretend he was on a trampoline and do exactly what he did.]

Anyway, at the hospital they sent the social worker in to interview my DH and I because of his broken bones and his black eyes from the broken nose. He looked like he had been beaten up. And the poor kid kept telling the doctor that he 'fell off the trampoline.' But we don't have a trampoline so they were confused.

Anyway, I felt horrible and I felt really guilty. And so when the social worker looked me in the eyes and very seriously asked if I had anything to do with his injuries, I stammered and choked and paused awkwardly and my eyes welled up and I could barely answer the question. My DH looked at me with eyes as wide as saucers because he could hardly believe how poorly I was answering the question. I had already told him exactly what happened but now I was flubbing up this interview big time. Thank goodness we did not have any prior incidents or I probably would have been written up.

Eventually I gained better control and attempted to explain the situation, that he had been jumping on trampolines for a few hours, ate a lot of sugary treats on an empty stomach, then came home and treated the couch like a mini-trampoline. And she still looked at me sideways a bit, but she talked to my DS, who confirmed he fell from the couch. Which was hard for the doc to believe because his injuries did not look like they were from a fall. It was because he jumped and lunged and then fell face first.

Anyway, my point is, I believe that ER feels very guilty about sending her son on that trip. So when asked if she involved, she feels like she was, imo.
 
  • #958
  • #959
Tweets from the news lady

Melissa Blasius &#8207;@MelissaBlasius
Also both parents meet individually with investigations every week or so to discuss #DylanRedwine case

Dylan Redwine used cell until 9:37 the night prior to disappearing, and not at all after that. Dad's story = Detective's

bbm

Well that sure sounds like cooperative to me
 
  • #960
Cory said LE issued the first polygraph and the FBI was asking him to do one for them. I don't have a link but I did read this post by Cory on FB.

Mods if you need to delete, go ahead since I cannot provide a link.

Perhaps someone else can confirm that they read this too?

So LE won't discuss polygraphs with the public via the media because it will affect their investigation, but they will give that confidential information to a 21 year old family member of the victim. Why?
 
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