CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #31

[Psychic Sleuth]

See TxJan's post above - Mark said everything in Dylan's backpack
Mark said ipod taken from house
so, it must have been Mark's?

Ok I see what you're saying...because Dylan's iPod was in his backpack with everything else and there was nothing supposedly left behind?

FWIW I think Dylan's iPod was left behind (or arrived at MR's house some how) and that is what LE took.

 

[dlc]

You may want to add this on, too:

Dylan sent text messages throughout the evening. Investigators say the last text went out at 9:37 p.m.

Investigators say Dylan's cell phone has not sent out a signal since he vanished.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/314078/339/What-happened-to-Dylan-Redwine

Just wanted to say thank you for all of the work you've put into organizing things, transcribing, providing links, making a great timeline, etc., and being consistently even-tempered and polite. As someone new here (relatively speaking), I really appreciate it.

 

[asyousay]

O/T: if anyone was following the case of Sarai Sierra missing in Turkey she has been found deceased (stabbed from the early reports coming out of Turkey)
Found Deceased Turkey - NY mother Sarai Sierra, 33, 21 Jan 2013 - Page 23 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

As horrendous as that is at least the family will know what happened and will get closure . Its got to be better than never not knowing .

 

[katydid23]

I have a question that I don 't know has been answered or not......is it possible Dylan forgot his cell phone charger from his mom's house?

Elaine said it was in his backpack---but I am not sure how she knows for sure. I assume it is not where it usually is at home, and she probably looked in his backpack to add a few things herself. JMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Here from the Nancy Grace transcripts:
O`DONNELL: Right, well, the boy was last seen at 11:30, the father told investigators that he started his search on his own for about four hours, didn`t report him missing until the early evening on that Monday. The most bizarre thing about this case, though, Nancy, is that Dylan, a prolific texter as most 13-year-old boys are who have cell phones -- his phone was not used since 8:00 p.m. Sunday night. His phone was not even on after 8:00 p.m. Sunday night.

I have a hard time believing that these type of statements are merely assumptions. imo the statements were made with information first obtained from LE. But I agree that without any direct information from LE on this, it's impossible to know without a doubt. Therories are all any of us have.

UNLESS...drum roll...those texts that we saw on RN's phone came from Dylan's iPod instead of his cell phone. It's conceivable that Dylan was using the iPod to text RN starting at 8:01 if indeed they were at MR's by then. But RN should be able to tell if it came from Dylan's phone or the iPod. On my phone, when my Grandson texts me using his iPod, at the top of the conversation screen it shows as being from the email address associated with his iPod. Does anyone remember if those screen shots on Ryan's phone showed the sender at the top?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Elaine said it was in his backpack---but I am not sure how she knows for sure. I assume it is not where it usually is at home, and she probably looked in his backpack to add a few things herself. JMO

She said MR confirmed that all those were in his backpack. How would he know?

 

[TxJan1971]

Just wanted to say thank you for all of the work you've put into organizing things, transcribing, providing links, making a great timeline, etc., and being consistently even-tempered and polite. As someone new here (relatively speaking), I really appreciate it.

Your kind words are appreciated. TY

 

[Eileen730]

3 new posts about Dylan on the PI's facebook. I'm assuming we're allowed to link to it since it's a business. If not, please accept my apology.

https://www.facebook.com/oopsicrapedmypants

edit - I should have said the posts aren't earth shattering or anything

It would be Nice if he spelled Dylans name correctly,

 

[cluciano63]

Can LE tell if a phone is physically shut off vs. battery ran out?

 

[dlc]

Please show where Bender said there was NO cell activity after 9:37pm Sunday to include no incoming texts such as R's texts -

Ryan: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

Ryan: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too

Okay, I'll try. (NB: I stole this link from JJenney) because I'm lazy.

BENDER: My understanding is -- and our investigators have checked his cell phone. Also, cell phones have GPS`s, so if they`re turned on, that gives a general location of the person. And we have been following up on those right along, and there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../28/ng.01.html


I hope this is good enough, because if it's not, then I don't know what else to provide. Officer Bender is a police officer involved in the Dylan Redwine case. He went on national TV and made this statement - please note that he did not say "no activity other than ----- fill in the blank," but, rather, "no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime."

True, he did not give an exact time on Sunday evening, but that information was provided by the twitter posts you helpfully pointed out by MB, which cite a time of 9:37.

I don't know, maybe he misspoke?


ETA - I bolded the "if they're turned on" part of Officer Bender's statement, as I realized that it's important, IMO, when taken with the rest of what he said (the no activity whatsoever part).

 

[katydid23]

Maybe he didn't text that he was on his way because it was too early in the morning? He didn't want to wake his friends until he was actually there? MOO

His friend had already texted him at 6:45 to say ' where r u'....

And why would we think he left super early? His dads said he was out like a light at 7:30. And he took the time to watch cartoons and eat cereal. So it wasn't the crack of dawn when he would have been ready to go. JMO

 

[Babbi-Dan]

Yes, I agree the simplest explanation for a 9:37 text would be to respond to a 9:27 text. But again, I have seen no report that says LEconfirms that the 9:37 text was a response to the 9:27 text. In fact, any reference to the 9:37 text does not say who it was to.

I also find it strange that a 13 year old boy would manage to not leave ANYTHING behind at his father's house, even by accident. I, personally, don't know of any 13 year old boy (or girl) who doesn't lose at least one sock under the sofa when they get kicked off. He either really did not want to be there, or someone else gathered his backpack along with Dylan.

I have read that everything of Dylan's was taken, then I have also read that there were a few items left behind (sweatpants and ipod!). Which is correct?

Also, had Dylan flown before? His head feeling strange from the "vibrations" makes me wonder if perhaps he had something wrong going on in his head. Maybe he was fine Sunday evening, but when MR woke the next morning Dylan had passed away in his sleep (dead to the world). MR would know, of course, that he would be in big trouble if Dylan died while in his care. He could have dumped his belongings, phone, and body in the lake. (Since he thought Dylan was texting on a cell phone MR would not have known to grab the ipod.) Unfortunately, this would mean no one saw MR do all this in broad daylight. Also, an autopsy would be able to prove that he died from some "natural" cause and not fowl play. But panic could have taken over and all sensible thinking took a hike. Just a thought. Not a very good one, I admit, but a thought none the less.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Okay, I'll try. (NB: I stole this link from JJenney) because I'm lazy.

BENDER: My understanding is -- and our investigators have checked his cell phone. Also, cell phones have GPS`s, so if they`re turned on, that gives a general location of the person. And we have been following up on those right along, and there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../28/ng.01.html


I hope this is good enough, because if it's not, then I don't know what else to provide. Officer Bender is a police officer involved in the Dylan Redwine case. He went on national TV and made this statement - please note that he did not say "no activity other than ----- fill in the blank," but, rather, "no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime."

True, he did not give an exact time on Sunday evening, but that information was provided by the twitter posts you helpfully pointed out by MB, which cite a time of 9:37.

I don't know, maybe he misspoke?

Yes it says no activity but it doesn't say the phone was shut off.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I have read that everything of Dylan's was taken, then I have also read that there were a few items left behind (sweatpants and ipod!). Which is correct?

Also, had Dylan flown before? His head feeling strange from the "vibrations" makes me wonder if perhaps he had something wrong going on in his head. Maybe he was fine Sunday evening, but when MR woke the next morning Dylan had passed away in his sleep (dead to the world). MR would know, of course, that he would be in big trouble if Dylan died while in his care. He could have dumped his belongings, phone, and body in the lake. (Since he thought Dylan was texting on a cell phone MR would not have known to grab the ipod.) Unfortunately, this would mean no one saw MR do all this in broad daylight. Also, an autopsy would be able to prove that he died from some "natural" cause and not fowl play. But panic could have taken over and all sensible thinking took a hike. Just a thought. Not a very good one, I admit, but a thought none the less.

I think something like this is possible but not likely.

 

[TxJan1971]

FWIW, on the Official FMDR FB Timeline, there is a statement about his phone being turned off since Sunday night.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/find-missing-dylan-redwine/timeline/581558165204124

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Please don't shoot the messenger!

 

[dlc]

Yes it says no activity but it doesn't say the phone was shut off.

Well, at one point we were talking about texts, but that seems so very long ago....But I edited my post a minutes ago, because, although I've read his statement more than a few times, the totality of it just clicked in my little brain.

At the moment, in my opinion, Officer Bender is a very clever man.

 

[The Cheese]

Okay, I'll try. (NB: I stole this link from JJenney) because I'm lazy.

BENDER: My understanding is -- and our investigators have checked his cell phone. Also, cell phones have GPS`s, so if they`re turned on, that gives a general location of the person. And we have been following up on those right along, and there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../28/ng.01.html


I hope this is good enough, because if it's not, then I don't know what else to provide. Officer Bender is a police officer involved in the Dylan Redwine case. He went on national TV and made this statement - please note that he did not say "no activity other than ----- fill in the blank," but, rather, "no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime."

True, he did not give an exact time on Sunday evening, but that information was provided by the twitter posts you helpfully pointed out by MB, which cite a time of 9:37.

I don't know, maybe he misspoke?

Thank you for acknowledging that Bender's quote above does not say 9:37.

I see 2 posts by MB on her twitter about 9:37, neither of which say there was no cell activity after 9:37 to include incoming texts.

I respect others' right per TOS to have and state their opinion, based on their own personal way of coming to that opinion. I also have that right, and I ask others to please respect it in turn. I don't ask others to think as I do or to share my opinions or to take my opinions as fact. I ask the same in return from others. I think that's how it's supposed to work here.

:twocents:

 

[DylansMom34]

So, per Melissa Blasius' tweets:

Mark and Dylan arrived home between 8:00/8:30 Sunday night.
The last text was at 9:37 p.m.
They watched a movie until 10:30 p.m. (she did not say anything about whether Mark watched the entire movie, but it seems like he must have if he knew what time the movie ended).

Now Mark said in his interview that Dylan had been on the couch texting and soon after he (Mark) ran upstairs to bed.

If the last text was 9:37 and the movie ended at 10:30, I'm still stuck. Mark's interview made it sound like Dylan was on the couch texting and Mark went to bed around the same time. I wouldn't call an hour a short amount of time in this context.

 

[Eileen730]

FWIW, on the Official FMDR FB Timeline, there is a statement about his phone being turned off since Sunday night.

https://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/find-missing-dylan-redwine/timeline/581558165204124

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Please don't shoot the messenger!

It says
Dylan made plans to arrive at his friends house the next morning (Monday) to hang out

My question
Were there plans for Sunday night or did Dylan say Hey dad can You take me to R's tonight instead of tomorrow? Dad said no.

 

[mijamawi]

UNLESS...drum roll...those texts that we saw on RN's phone came from Dylan's iPod instead of his cell phone. It's conceivable that Dylan was using the iPod to text RN starting at 8:01 if indeed they were at MR's by then. But RN should be able to tell if it came from Dylan's phone or the iPod. On my phone, when my Grandson texts me using his iPod, at the top of the conversation screen it shows as being from the email address associated with his iPod. Does anyone remember if those screen shots on Ryan's phone showed the sender at the top?

My youngest son has an iTouch and a flip phone for when he spends the night at a friends. His phone number and email are on the same contact in my contact list, so the only way I know if he's texting from his iTouch is if it says imessage. I looked at the screen cap of R's phone, and it only shows his texts from the following day. So I can't see where Dylan was texting from. I mean, I don't think it's possible for him to have used it iTouch on the ride home because of the lack of wi/fi.