CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #32

[cluciano63]

I hate to say it but I am afraid that may be a real account of Dylan never waking up. It sounds like he was totally unresponsive.

That has occurred to me...dead to the world ..spent forty five minutes trying to wake him. I would think something is seriously wrong if I truly tried and was unable to wake a child.

 

[azgrandma]

Could it be that MR arrived at 4 ish like he said, meets an investigator , tells them what he knows, they ask a bunch of questions, maybe call in a superior officer, ask what they think, make a few phone calls, and write up a report and the official TIME that they said Ok we're off and running with this missing child case is 6 ish ? Just thinking out loud here, but paperwork and information gathering would take a bit of time !

Not that much time, also think about it in another light. When LE responds to an accident, do they log the time they arrive and report the times that involved parties say or do they log in the time they finally got a chance to right the report?
They log the time they started, not the time they finally got to write it out or decide it was of importance.

 

[Confusion]

And what exactly does THAT mean?

I thought it meant that he was going to let LE do their job without trying to push them into going in any certain direction (not going to blame somebody!)

Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cellphone service. When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend hadn't seen him.

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OKAY, I guess I missed the earlier discussion so I will rehash. :ange:

This is a red flag, imo. Which version is correct? Or maybe neither, and he NEVER went to the house to check at all.

The problem with so much thet we've heard is that it wasn't quoted. Whoever he first talked to may have been told that he'd gone to T's house, and ten to Bayfield when DR wasn't there, and the person may have mixed that up with the boys saying they hadn't seen him. I don't think it has to mean that he's lying. MOO

IIRC there were sightings of someone that was wearing a hooded jacket and a postal worker and some other men (like cable or phone something like that) saw, but the person ran away. I really for the life of me can't remember when but I believe it was in the Durango Herald. The person was determined to be a jogger.

Those were different sightings. The postal worker saw 2 boys walking (one of them was later determined to be an older boy who lived close by and resembled DR), a neighbor saw one boy walking (I never heard who this was determined to be), and 2 different searchers saw someone run away from them (one was identified as a jogger and it was assumed that the other one was the same guy.)

 

[azgrandma]

IMO, MR needs TexJan to share her notes with him. He keeps getting things confused and perhaps it would help to have reference. He can't keep it straight.

They didn't have time to talk about the house, but DR had discussed how the school wouldn't let him play football because (well because the school system just isn't fair)

DR was out like a light
DR acknowledge MR and said I understand
MR tried for 45 minutes to wake DR

MR starting waking up DR at 645, knowing he was suppose to be at R's house at 630
MR left at 730 because he wanted to be to work by the time they opened at 730

MR texted all day trying to get ahold of DR
MR took at 3 hr nap then went to look for DR

MR tried a friend and the friend hadn't seen him
MR tried a friend and the friend wasn't home

MR reported him missing around 430
MR reported him missing around 6
MR texted ER around 430 then went to the Marshall's office

What I find funny is that he said he communicated with ER that DR was missing, even he thinks it's wrong to text your ex to tell her her son is missing. IMO

 

[katydid23]

I thought it meant that he was going to let LE do their job without trying to push them into going in any certain direction (not going to blame somebody!)


The problem with so much thet we've heard is that it wasn't quoted. Whoever he first talked to may have been told that he'd gone to T's house, and ten to Bayfield when DR wasn't there, and the person may have mixed that up with the boys saying they hadn't seen him. I don't think it has to mean that he's lying. MOO



Those were different sightings. The postal worker saw 2 boys walking (one of them was later determined to be an older boy who lived close by and resembled DR), a neighbor saw one boy walking (I never heard who this was determined to be), and 2 different searchers saw someone run away from them (one was identified as a jogger and it was assumed that the other one was the same guy.)

The problem is that the NEW version sounds nothing at all like the one we heard back at the start.

Back then, Dad came home to an empty house and he began texting to make sure D was safe with his friends. And after not hearing from him for awhile, he searched the immediate area, and drove to the local friends house by the
lake. But once he found out that friend hadn't heard from Dylan, Mark hurried to Bayfield to see if he was there. That is when he became alarmed and called ER.

But NOW we hear that Dad texted D's cell to see if he was awake yet. Did it go right to voicemail?

Then we learn that Dad comes home to an empty house, sees that everything is gone, and he texts D and then takes a two hour nap. ? OK...Eventually he goes to the local friends house by the lake but nobody is home. So he drives to Bayfield and makes it to Nando's. WHICH IS INTERESTING, because if he had happened to have D's phone then he would have known that is exactly where the friends were waiting for D/ What a coinky-dink. :waitasec:

 

[cluciano63]

Takes a nap. No matter what, that just stuns me. You couldn't wake him up, couldn't reach him all morning, he and his things are all gone, and you...take a nap.

 

[azgrandma]

I recommend The Gift of Fear (DeBecker), often. It's an excellent book. I gave my own daughter a copy. It's a book I believe every woman over the age of 12 should read. JMO

Funny I did the same for several women!

 

[NC Analyzer]

IMO, MR needs TexJan to share her notes with him. He keeps getting things confused and perhaps it would help to have reference. He can't keep it straight.

They didn't have time to talk about the house, but DR had discussed how the school wouldn't let him play football because (well because the school system just isn't fair)

DR was out like a light
DR acknowledge MR and said I understand
MR tried for 45 minutes to wake DR

MR starting waking up DR at 645, knowing he was suppose to be at R's house at 630
MR left at 730 because he wanted to be to work by the time they opened at 730

MR texted all day trying to get ahold of DR
MR took at 3 hr nap then went to look for DR

MR tried a friend and the friend hadn't seen him
MR tried a friend and the friend wasn't home

MR reported him missing around 430
MR reported him missing around 6
MR texted ER around 430 then went to the Marshall's office

What I find funny is that he said he communicated with ER that DR was missing, even he thinks it's wrong to text your ex to tell her her son is missing. IMO

JMO, but maybe we should add a few other inconsistencies to this list and forward a copy to LE and MB for future reference. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Just sayin'

MOO

 

[katydid23]

If MR is innocent, he sure gives off a lot of dubious signals when speaking and reconstructing his timelines, etc...

With ER, I felt everything she is going through, while with him, I just feel a disconnect somehow, that I cannot explain. I mean his CHILD IS GONE. I just don't get the sense of the seriousness of that fact when I see or listen to him and JMO only.

He sounds so laid back and sometimes I detect ' SMUGNESS' imo. Like when he tells the condescending story about how he just knew D would not really get up at 6:30. He was smiling smugly, which seemed so odd considering it was allegedly the last time he saw his kid alive, perhaps FOREVER.

The way he opens by comparing how much his missing son is so much 'closer' to him than his ex. That is revolting. JMO

It also blows my mind that the reporter tried to brand ER as the 'bitter ex' while MR clearly harbored the same if not worse feelings of bitterness.

 

[SuperMom1995]

I just got in from work & watched MR's interview.

Couple of things...at first I was struck by the conflicting accounts of Dylan's relationships....ER said Dylan & MR didn't know each other very well & that MR hadn't bonded with Dylan much in the past couple of years...and of course the report about the scowling face Dylan replied to her text with. Yet, MR talks about how they were very close & that they bonded more than Dylan & his mom had and that this closeness bothered ER...or something akin to that.

Having been divorced with kids of my own I do recall how sometimes kids can play one parent against the other....so I guess the conflicting statements aren't something to really be concerned about.

What *did* concern me very much though ---was when MR was discussing Dylan's backpack. He spoke as if he knew exactly what was in it....like a couple of changes of clothes. And he specifically said that Dylan hadn't brought any of his games & stuff with him that he usually brings. There's no mention that he & Dylan discussed what he brought or didn't bring, or discussed what he had in his backpack. So, how would he know unless he looked through the backpack???

discussion of the backpack from TxJan1971's transcript:

I mean, it’s a backpack… my guess is he had a few changes of clothes. You know there’s talk about his cell phone charger being in it. There’s not much in it. He didn’t bring his video games—he didn’t bring any of the things that he would do while he was here with me.

Almost as if he had just finished looking in it.....

 

[azgrandma]

For my children on their birthday, I woke them up by singing Happy Birthday to them. When they got older and moved away, I called them first thing in the morning and sang Happy Birthday to them. Within a two week period I will have sung Happy Birthday four times.
Realizing that, I can not even begin to imagine how Elaine is going to handle tomorrow. I can't even think of not being able to sing Happy Birthday to my babies. My heart just breaks thinking of what she is going to go through. Not even knowing where he is has got to be the most horrific pain a mother can go through on a child's birthday.

 

[Confusion]

The problem is that the NEW version sounds nothing at all like the one we heard back at the start.

Back then, Dad came home to an empty house and he began texting to make sure D was safe with his friends. And after not hearing from him for awhile, he searched the immediate area, and drove to the local friends house by the
lake. But once he found out that friend hadn't heard from Dylan, Mark hurried to Bayfield to see if he was there. That is when he became alarmed and called ER.

But NOW we hear that Dad texted D's cell to see if he was awake yet. Did it go right to voicemail?

Then we learn that Dad comes home to an empty house, sees that everything is gone, and he texts D and then takes a two hour nap. ? OK...Eventually he goes to the local friends house by the lake but nobody is home. So he drives to Bayfield and makes it to Nando's. WHICH IS INTERESTING, because if he had happened to have D's phone then he would have known that is exactly where the friends were waiting for D/ What a coinky-dink. :waitasec:

How many of the early details came from him, and how many came from ER's friend who had spoken to him? It seems to me that he didn't talk to the media much in the beginning, so I only consider things to be inconsistencies if I've seen quotes or heard him actually say the words. I'm not saying she lied, but it's quite common for people not repeat word for word what they've heard. MOO

Takes a nap. No matter what, that just stuns me. You couldn't wake him up, couldn't reach him all morning, he and his things are all gone, and you...take a nap.

That's usually my answer to everything, nothing seems quite as bad after a nap!

 

[Ausgirl]

It's like 40C here today and my puter's hating on Youtube, so I'll have to wait til later t0o watch MR's interview in full.

But from the 1st 5 mins --- my first impression/reaction is a bit of disgust that BOTH parents are using these interviews to snipe at each other. Their son is missing. And they can't quit taking digs - not just about this incident, but in general. Priorities?

Kind of irked me. And made me wonder exactly how angry they got at each other now and in the past. And what role Dylan played in those back and forths.

 

[asyousay]

Happy birthday Dylan - my wish for you on your special day is that your mum and family can finally get some answers about that night .

 

[katydid23]

How many of the early details came from him, and how many came from ER's friend who had spoken to him? It seems to me that he didn't talk to the media much in the beginning, so I only consider things to be inconsistencies if I've seen quotes or heard him actually say the words. I'm not saying she lied, but it's quite common for people not repeat word for word what they've heard. MOO


That's usually my answer to everything, nothing seems quite as bad after a nap!

I have to imagine she answered NG's questions with the same info that MR told her. And I don't think that MR told her that he came back and took a nap before looking for his son.

As for a nap, I doubt it's your answer to a missing 13 yr old. :what:

 

[Ivey]

The problem is that the NEW version sounds nothing at all like the one we heard back at the start.

Back then, Dad came home to an empty house and he began texting to make sure D was safe with his friends. And after not hearing from him for awhile, he searched the immediate area, and drove to the local friends house by the
lake. But once he found out that friend hadn't heard from Dylan, Mark hurried to Bayfield to see if he was there. That is when he became alarmed and called ER.

But NOW we hear that Dad texted D's cell to see if he was awake yet. Did it go right to voicemail?

Then we learn that Dad comes home to an empty house, sees that everything is gone, and he texts D and then takes a two hour nap. ? OK...Eventually he goes to the local friends house by the lake but nobody is home. So he drives to Bayfield and makes it to Nando's. WHICH IS INTERESTING, because if he had happened to have D's phone then he would have known that is exactly where the friends were waiting for D/ What a coinky-dink. :waitasec:

Was Dylan's phone receiving texts at that point? I mean we know that Ryan texted Dylan that they were at nando's on monday but I thought the last text either coming or going was at 9:37 Sunday night. If mr read that text on Dylan's phone, there would be a record of it, right?

 

[Seajay]

Maybe after hearing these change of stories & omissions of others (like Nerf football), maybe they will challenge MR to come in for another sit-down interview & poly.

But isn't that a tool LE uses??? When a person tells a story, if they tell it exactly the same way every time it's because they've practiced it and made parts of it up, but if it changes slightly each time, it's because it's not rehearsed and it's coming from memory, so not everything is going to be said each time???

 

[Seajay]

It's like 40C here today and my puter's hating on Youtube, so I'll have to wait til later t0o watch MR's interview in full.

But from the 1st 5 mins --- my first impression/reaction is a bit of disgust that BOTH parents are using these interviews to snipe at each other. Their son is missing. And they can't quit taking digs - not just about this incident, but in general. Priorities?

Kind of irked me. And made me wonder exactly how angry they got at each other now and in the past. And what role Dylan played in those back and forths.

BBM: I completely agree with you. That seems to be a common thread for both of them. BOTH of them. She slung the first arrow and it's set the tone for everything. He slung back, then she slung again, he slung back, she slung again. When the hell are they going to grow the eff up and work together to find their son?? Dayum!!! Sorry Salem, got a bit of temperment going on right now because this should be about Dylan and when the two people who brought him into this world can't put aside anything for that, well, it's just so frustrating. IMHO

 

[katydid23]

Was Dylan's phone receiving texts at that point? I mean we know that Ryan texted Dylan that they were at nando's on monday but I thought the last text either coming or going was at 9:37 Sunday night. If mr read that text on Dylan's phone, there would be a record of it, right?

Those are good questions.

Ryan apparently texted D on Monday at 10 am, telling him to come to Nando's.

So the question is, if someone READ that text on Monday, would LE still say that D's phone was inactive?


I wonder if it rang when people texted him, or did it go straight to Voice Mail?

 

[cluciano63]

IMO it is far too late for these parents to ever speak in a civil manner, and if both are truly innocent, then Dylan is likely deceased and they will probably continue to hate one another regardless.

But if this case is never solved, they won't only hate one another, they will always mistrust the other about Dylan to. But then, if they are both innocent, the likelihood of the case being solved is smaller.

If LE is truly stuck at the point of the two options they have been going off since a few days in, I have little faith in a resolution.