CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[Deleted member 39678]

Words from Mark Redwin's Private Investigator are not allowed?
Regardless of where he says them ? I do not know if that is true
or not. But forgive me in advance and in retro. When I see a term
like 3 weeks used over and over for many pages, I assume (yes
stupidly, obviously) that it is ok to discuss here and am in the
wrong for not checking out every post's validity prior to commenting
on it. Some people don't have 24/ 7 to check the work of others and
I'm glad that some do........to keep the others in check !
Sorry :blushing:

Post whatever you want, I'm not a mod. I was just trying to find the source of the information.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Honestly, about the statement by the PI saying MR said he could do the show but not for 3 weeks. I think we should all just take that with a grain of salt. Who knows if that came from MR or not. Ya know?

Let's just wait and see if he does it or not. We will know soon enough.

 

[Eileen730]

So the "3 week" information is only based on a post made on the Not Allowed Facebook page. That's great.

NO it was on the allowed FB page

 

[tlcya]

Official allowed FB page or not, MOO, I always consider stuff garnered from any social media to be rumor. Because of how easily and how often posts on those sites can be edited, deleted, and the pages themselves be taken down, scrubbed and then put back up.

Don't get me wrong I follow the pages when I am following a case. I just tend to take it all with a grain or two of salt.

 

[Eileen730]

I think MR knows Exactly what happend here.
And I have thought so from day one.
I really have not believed what the man has said so far and that JMO!

He is not going to talk to anyone!

My opinion was not made by comments on FB ..

 

[The Cheese]

Honestly, about the statement by the PI saying MR said he could do the show but not for 3 weeks. I think we should all just take that with a grain of salt. Who knows if that came from MR or not. Ya know?

Let's just wait and see if he does it or not. We will know soon enough.

It's FMDR says in the re-post from last night that Mark said he could do the show in 3 weeks.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...555396767820264.144727.555378941155380&type=1

But I still don't know MR actually said. FMDR is so he said, she said.

 

[Eileen730]

Honestly, about the statement by the PI saying MR said he could do the show but not for 3 weeks. I think we should all just take that with a grain of salt. Who knows if that came from MR or not. Ya know?

Let's just wait and see if he does it or not. We will know soon enough.

But MR was the one that hired the guy right?
And the K 9 's?

 

[TxLady2]

I think if your reliving something that actually happend it pretty much stays the same. Lies change because the mind dosent remember the event.

We don't know what he has said when LE interviewed him, though. All we have is the media interviews, and the last one is a lot lengthier than the others, so of course, he is giving more details than he has previously. That doesn't necessarily mean he's changing stories or lying, it just means we don't know everything LE does.

My point is, you can't call something a discrepancy just because this is the first time you hear it. I'm sure LE has gone over every detail of that night and the next morning, many times. If there were any indications that he lied, changed stories, wasn't telling them the truth, then they would be continuing to pin him down on it. As it looks to me, they're pretty much taking what he has told them to be the truth. If that changes any time soon, we'll probably know about it.

 

[Lordeebee]

Does anyone think still think MR has a lawyer advising him?
I'm thinking NOT !

If he does have an attorney, I think the attorney would definitely tell him not to go on the Dr. Phil show.

 

[Eileen730]

Well all i can say is if MR had nothing at all to do with this ill be very elated and sorry for all I said but if he is responsible i will be totally disgusted!

 

[TxLady2]

It's the opposite. Memory doesn't get better with time. It gets worse. People remember more details at first than later.

I disagree, because no one is going to recall every tiny detail right from the beginning in a crisis. As the hours pass, little things pop into your mind that you failed to recall at the start. Ask any police detective, they will tell you that when you are in shock, the mind just wants to shut down at first, and then as the initial shock wears off, your memory starts kicking in. That's why they always tell a witness to give them a call if they remember anything else.

We're not talking years where the memory fades over time. Being in a crisis situation is a whole lot different than just remembering an event from the past. Shock and fear does crazy things to people, and LE does not expect anyone to remember every little detail right at first, that's why they prefer to do multiple interviews with people, because they have a better chance of remembering something the 2nd or 3rd time they go over it than the first time. My son is a detective, and he has done countless interviews over the years. This is what I get from talking to him about cases he's worked on.

 

[rebeccaeee]

This keeps coming back to me from the threads in early January....

Originally Posted by TxJan1971 - reposted by Vasportsmom
Sharing ....

Marc Klaas' comments on Nancy Grace with re: to Kyron Horman case:

NANCY GRACE:

To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. His own daughter, Polly, went missing, and since her death, he has devoted his life to finding missing people, specifically missing children. Marc Klaas, I`ve never known ever of police telling parents, Don`t talk, don`t talk to the media. Normally, they`re saying, Make a plea. Let the kidnapper hear you. Make the public interested in your child. Make them care. Make them look. Tell them the story. Tell them where you were that day. So maybe, maybe they saw your car. Maybe they saw your child. Anything! Put it out there! Am I crazy?

MARC KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION:

Well, no, of course you`re not crazy, Nancy. Prior to Polly`s abduction, in fact, that was what they told people. They told people to sit by the phone, wait for a -- wait for the ransom call to come in. They told people that reporters were not their friends, that they were their enemies, and the best thing to do was to step back.

I believe we started to change all that with Polly because, quite frankly, a television reporter came up to me and said, I want an interview. I said, No, I`m not going to do any interviews. I don`t want to be the next crying parent on TV for people`s entertainment. She said, I can get more publicity for your child with 10 seconds on the evening news than you can get by nailing flyers on telephone poles for the next 100 years. And that changed everything for me. I understood exactly what she meant.

I have never turned down an interview since then, much to the consternation of many people, I`m sure. But there`s no better advocate for a missing child than a family member out there talking about them, humanizing them, asking people to come out and help find them.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../29/ng.01.html

MOO:
Boy oh boy do I wish MR was more like Marc Klaas.

 

[jjenny]

What crisis? From the way MR is telling this story, he wasn't concerned at all. He came home, he took a nap. Even when he went to the Marshall's office, he expected Marshalls to find his son and "bang him on the head."
So he wouldn't be thinking he was in crisis around the time Dylan went missing.

 

[Eileen730]

I disagree, because no one is going to recall every tiny detail right from the beginning in a crisis. As the hours pass, little things pop into your mind that you failed to recall at the start. Ask any police detective, they will tell you that when you are in shock, the mind just wants to shut down at first, and then as the initial shock wears off, your memory starts kicking in. That's why they always tell a witness to give them a call if they remember anything else.

We're not talking years where the memory fades over time. Being in a crisis situation is a whole lot different than just remembering an event from the past. Shock and fear does crazy things to people, and LE does not expect anyone to remember every little detail right at first, that's why they prefer to do multiple interviews with people, because they have a better chance of remembering something the 2nd or 3rd time they go over it than the first time. My son is a detective, and he has done countless interviews over the years. This is what I get from talking to him about cases he's worked on.

But he wasnt in shock!
He didnt watch someone drive off with his child!
He didnt see a gunman.

He came home his son was gone he took a nap he went looking for him hours later how much does he have to remember?

they went to Walmart McD's then home watched a move went to bed he got up dylan either answered him or he didnt oh and he had to hop around on the sofa to get cell reception?

I dont know I dont see he has alot he has to remember if it happend its a memory you recall it. If its made up there is nothing to recall.

All JMO

 

[ColdHands]

Earlier people were wondering about Colorado child support. Here is a link to the official page with the spreadsheet and information about how it is calculated.

https://childsupport.state.co.us/siteuser/do/vfs/Frag?file=/cm:calcPayments.jsp

In my own case, I divorced here in Colorado in 2008. We have 2 boys - now 12 and 15. I finished my degree while my sons were young and I went on to have a very good career while he stayed at home with the boys and worked part-time. At the time of my divorce I was making 5 times my husband's salary. And as a result of my hard earned career success, I am required to pay child support (and alimony, but alimony is NOT a Colorado requirement; the alimony was part of our property division negotiations.) I actually don't mind because this has guaranteed that my boys have a nice place to go to when they are with their father. Even though he now works full-time I still make much much more than he does.

We split the number of nights equally. We are not litigious by nature, so neither my ex nor I have counted the actual nights or attempted to revisit the child support in court (which I probably could, since my older son is now with me almost 100% of the time). It was strongly recommended by my lawyer that I keep a calendar and actually count every night that I have the boys, because that can be used to modify child support.

In my understanding of my own situation, if my ex LOST CREDIT for the number of nights he had the boys it would have the impact of REDUCING his income from child support (reducing my obligation to pay).

I am speculating that there is a possibility MR went to the divorce lawyer on Monday to see if he could regain child support income lost when ER moved Dylan away (and subsequently reduced his # of nights). Of course that is PURE SPECULATION because we do not know if any child support order is in place. If he did not choose to exercise his right to those nights prior to the move, it would have been up to ER to take him back to court to get an adjustment to child support she might have been paying. IMO, I can see this as being a possible area of friction that would explain why the divorce seems so messy.

IMO, if ER had a significant salary increase in conjunction with her new job, that could create a situation where MR was due an increase the amount of any child support paid or he may have an opportunity to request support be paid. Again, total speculation but it is a possibility. (and also might explain his bitterness about where she worked - he might have been trying to get income verification from her employer) Per the instructions provided by the State of Colorado (linked above), modifications can be requested if the adjustment is more than 10% and is a continuing change.

I speculate that IF child support is in place there is a high possibility that ER may be the paying parent in accordance with Colorado child support laws regarding shared support obligation based on percentages of combined income and # of nights.

IMO, I think that investigators should consider the impact of the custody change and the financial impact of the change as well.

And to clarify, I am not suggesting ER did anything to Dylan to avoid increased child support.

 

[Confusion]

I do not agree with this!
Most parents get Phones for their kids to keep in contact.
Just about every parent i know will take or have that phone turned off if they do not ans a text or a call from mom or dad. these are usually the rules to follow when mom or dad gives you a cell phone. JMO

How can you disagree with what goes on with the 13-14 year-olds I know?

Ya know there is always the chance hes not Innocent!

Why cant they rule him out?
thats my big question!

For the same reason they can't rule anyone else out, I'd guess

Yes and in that outing when the admin said "we" have been having KB post things. I was beyond shocked.

I wasn't, anymore than I was when she started the new one. It all works well with one of my main theories.

I do hope there is a clarification on FB soon. What I remember reading is that:

We can only link the official site.
We can paraphrase what the admins say, but not discuss it.
We can say to read comments, but we can't talk about them (or quote/paraphrase them).

If more is allowed than that, I'd love to know about it!

 

[tlcya]

MOO I have always mistrusted MR's version of events and felt hinky about him. This does not come from FB pages but simply my own gut reaction. However, things I am reading on FB in my effort to catch up on this case do seem to support my original "off" feeling with the events as relayed by MR.

 

[catswhiskers]

I disagree, because no one is going to recall every tiny detail right from the beginning in a crisis. As the hours pass, little things pop into your mind that you failed to recall at the start. Ask any police detective, they will tell you that when you are in shock, the mind just wants to shut down at first, and then as the initial shock wears off, your memory starts kicking in. That's why they always tell a witness to give them a call if they remember anything else.

We're not talking years where the memory fades over time. Being in a crisis situation is a whole lot different than just remembering an event from the past. Shock and fear does crazy things to people, and LE does not expect anyone to remember every little detail right at first, that's why they prefer to do multiple interviews with people, because they have a better chance of remembering something the 2nd or 3rd time they go over it than the first time. My son is a detective, and he has done countless interviews over the years. This is what I get from talking to him about cases he's worked on.

I scratch my head every time people comment on the slight variations in MR's story - every time the topic is raised I test myself and try and remember what happened in my house during the previous evening, and I really have trouble even recalling what we had for dinner. The every detail of what we all chatted, squabbled, or joked about - forget it. The mundane stuff doesn't get committed to memory, or else it's just me and my dementia kicking in. My kids obviously don't memorise my every word either - when I berate them about some chore I asked them to do, they always insist they don't remember me asking them.
-_-

 

[jjenny]

Why would MR be getting child support? ER had Dylan full time. MR was only getting visitations, which were not extended visitations. Sounds like MR should have been paying child support, not the other way around.

 

[YidArmyRach]

When my youngest was around 13, I came home from work one afternoon, and he wasn't there, but he had come home and left his school books and changed shirts for some reason. I wasn't too worried right at first, he could have been at a friend's house, or he could have been riding his bike. After his dad got home sometime later and it turned dark, that's when I started getting worried. This was not like our son to just hang out somewhere and not call us.

We looked everywhere we could think of, even ended up calling the police at some point and gave them his description. Finally he came walking into the yard from the back alley sometime between 9 and 10 p.m. It was a huge relief but at the same time we got angry with him for putting us through all that worry. I just remember wanting to hug him and shake him till his teeth rattled at the same time.

The point is, the fear and shock doesn't set in right at first. In my case, it crept up on me and I can't tell you what time it dawned on me that something could be very wrong. All I can say is that if he had not come home when he did, I would have been a basket case by the next day.

In the beginning, though, I don't remember being scared that something had happened to him. I might have put a load of clothes in the washer, I may have fixed something quick to eat, put on a pot of coffee, fed the dog, or done ordinary things. In the back of my mind I started having little niggling thoughts... what if he's hurt somewhere, what if somebody kidnapped him?
It just didn't happen all at once, it came slowly... it just evolved, finally, to panic.

Maybe this is how it was with Mark. He thought Dylan was just doing boy things, nothing to be concerned about, he would come home eventually. I can certainly relate to that.

Jumping off your post. I've read a lot about the things Dylan would do or wouldn't do, based on what people know about him - especially his mum.

One thing I would say is that children are unpredictable, and sometimes do things we just wouldn't think they would do in a million years.

For example, I've always bought up my boys with a healthy knowledge of stranger danger, not to talk to people they don't know, to scream and shout if someone attempts to take them etc (whilst letting them know its rare).

However, some years ago, my son (then aged about 11) came home and told me he'd been "helping a lady look for her lost dog in the woods". Luckily she was genuine, but for all the times I'd told him never to go off with a stranger, he did. And one of the things I've always drummed into them was, don't ever go with a stranger who wants to show you animals, or asks you to help them look for one. If anyone had asked me if he would do this, I'd have been adament that he wouldn't.

And, despite a very stern talking to and reminding him of the rules, about a year or so later, his brother told me that George had been offered some money from a strange man in a shop I asked him "what did you say", thinking he'd reply "I said no, as I don't know you", but no - my intelligent and sensible son had replied "Well, if you're sure" and took it!! I have no idea why he was given the money.

But it just makes me wonder, despite people saying Dylan wouldn't have hitched a lift with a stranger, or wouldn't have wandered off on his own ... could he have had a moment of madness, like my son did?