CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[Lordeebee]

We don't know what he has said when LE interviewed him, though. All we have is the media interviews, and the last one is a lot lengthier than the others, so of course, he is giving more details than he has previously. That doesn't necessarily mean he's changing stories or lying, it just means we don't know everything LE does.

My point is, you can't call something a discrepancy just because this is the first time you hear it. I'm sure LE has gone over every detail of that night and the next morning, many times. If there were any indications that he lied, changed stories, wasn't telling them the truth, then they would be continuing to pin him down on it. As it looks to me, they're pretty much taking what he has told them to be the truth. If that changes any time soon, we'll probably know about it.

BBM
If they don't have enough evidence, and continuing to batter him with questions would impede the investigation (causing him to "lawyer up" below),
it is possible they would just wait for a misstep rather than trying to pin him down on earlier statements.

http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=4042
Like a growing number of people caught up in such investigations, Lutner wasn't being called a suspect — or even a target, witness or subject, terms often used by prosecutors. And since he wasn't charged with a crime, he certainly wasn't a defendant. But police were handing out his mug shot and descriptions of his vehicles, telling reporters that Lutner might know the whereabouts of the two missing children.

Police sometimes "try to maintain that the person really isn't a suspect" in order to get him to agree to questioning without Miranda warnings, Kouri says. "You don't want the guy to lawyer up."

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But MR was the one that hired the guy right?
And the K 9 's?

From what I've read the PI was reaching out to the family offering help and MR took him up on the offer. I have never seen MR make a statement to this and I have never heard MR say that this guy is now his public spokesperson. Same with the k9 group. They offered help to the family and it is my understanding that both Elaine and MR accepted the offer and the K9 group was going to meet with each parent individually.

 

[SCHMAE]

Jumping off your post. I've read a lot about the things Dylan would do or wouldn't do, based on what people know about him - especially his mum.

One thing I would say is that children are unpredictable, and sometimes do things we just wouldn't think they would do in a million years.

For example, I've always bought up my boys with a healthy knowledge of stranger danger, not to talk to people they don't know, to scream and shout if someone attempts to take them etc (whilst letting them know its rare).

However, some years ago, my son (then aged about 11) came home and told me he'd been "helping a lady look for her lost dog in the woods". Luckily she was genuine, but for all the times I'd told him never to go off with a stranger, he did. If anyone had asked me if he would do this, I'd have been adament that he wouldn't.

And, despite a very stern talking to and reminding him of the rules, about a year or so later, his brother told me that George had been offered some money from a strange man in a shop I asked him "what did you say", thinking he'd reply "I said no, as I don't know you", but no - my intelligent and sensible son had replied "Well, if you're sure" and took it!! I have no idea why he was given the money.

But it just makes me wonder, despite people saying Dylan wouldn't have gone with a stranger, or wouldn't have wondered off on his own ... could he have had a moment of madness, like my son did?

Very good points. I'm sure for every child who ' went off with a stranger' was a parent who would swear the child knew better and would never do that !

 

[jjenny]

Jumping off your post. I've read a lot about the things Dylan would do or wouldn't do, based on what people know about him - especially his mum.

One thing I would say is that children are unpredictable, and sometimes do things we just wouldn't think they would do in a million years.

For example, I've always bought up my boys with a healthy knowledge of stranger danger, not to talk to people they don't know, to scream and shout if someone attempts to take them etc (whilst letting them know its rare).

However, some years ago, my son (then aged about 11) came home and told me he'd been "helping a lady look for her lost dog in the woods". Luckily she was genuine, but for all the times I'd told him never to go off with a stranger, he did. And one of the things I've always drummed into them was, don't ever go with a stranger who wants to show you animals, or asks you to help them look for one. If anyone had asked me if he would do this, I'd have been adament that he wouldn't.

And, despite a very stern talking to and reminding him of the rules, about a year or so later, his brother told me that George had been offered some money from a strange man in a shop I asked him "what did you say", thinking he'd reply "I said no, as I don't know you", but no - my intelligent and sensible son had replied "Well, if you're sure" and took it!! I have no idea why he was given the money.

But it just makes me wonder, despite people saying Dylan wouldn't have hitched a lift with a stranger, or wouldn't have wandered off on his own ... could he have had a moment of madness, like my son did?

MR doesn't say Dylan wouldn't have gone with a stranger. In fact he claimed Dylan never met a stranger. Clearly to me, implying that Dylan could have easily gone off with a stranger.

 

[catswhiskers]

Jumping off your post. I've read a lot about the things Dylan would do or wouldn't do, based on what people know about him - especially his mum.

One thing I would say is that children are unpredictable, and sometimes do things we just wouldn't think they would do in a million years.

For example, I've always bought up my boys with a healthy knowledge of stranger danger, not to talk to people they don't know, to scream and shout if someone attempts to take them etc (whilst letting them know its rare).

However, some years ago, my son (then aged about 11) came home and told me he'd been "helping a lady look for her lost dog in the woods". Luckily she was genuine, but for all the times I'd told him never to go off with a stranger, he did. And one of the things I've always drummed into them was, don't ever go with a stranger who wants to show you animals, or asks you to help them look for one. If anyone had asked me if he would do this, I'd have been adament that he wouldn't.

And, despite a very stern talking to and reminding him of the rules, about a year or so later, his brother told me that George had been offered some money from a strange man in a shop I asked him "what did you say", thinking he'd reply "I said no, as I don't know you", but no - my intelligent and sensible son had replied "Well, if you're sure" and took it!! I have no idea why he was given the money.

But it just makes me wonder, despite people saying Dylan wouldn't have hitched a lift with a stranger, or wouldn't have wandered off on his own ... could he have had a moment of madness, like my son did?

I couldn't agree more. We all like to think we know our kids better than anyone else - but just as we do, children learn pretty quickly that you need to act and speak differently in front of different audiences. It isn't necessarily sneakiness, or doing anything wrong - we all modify our actions and language depending on who we're with at the time. I've already repeated myself here describing my own experiences as a teacher with parents of students who flatly refuse to believe their child would do or say this or that - it is simply not true.
It's bothered me from the start that Dylan's very best friends' comments about his daring, or sense of adventure have been absolutely discounted out of hand. They know how he acts with them, and his parents know how he acts when he is with them, and those different behaviours are probably not a match.
:moo:

 

[ColdHands]

MR doesn't say Dylan wouldn't have gone with a stranger. In fact he claimed Dylan never met a stranger. Clearly to me, implying that Dylan could have easily gone off with a stranger.

I agree.
I feel pretty strongly though that he went off with someone that wasn't a complete stranger - most likely someone he'd met through someone else or at a place like church or school.

 

[TxLady2]

I disagree. I'm sure there are many people that can get in contact with MR. He has been communicating with the reporter that did his interview among other people. I think it was done to humiliate him and get the mob riled up. This kind of game just adds more of a barrier of communication between parties. I highly doubt 2 days of pay would make any difference and there is nothing to indicate that MR said any of what they are claiming.

If you want to work together and get the other party to cooperate, this certainly isn't the way to do it. I don't think whoever starts this stuff has the best intentions in mind. I think they enjoy watching the public take sides and bad mouth MR, more than they care about getting the parents to cooperate and work peacefully together to find Dylan.

Say for instance, I had a lengthy heated text conversation with someone and they were very hostile towards me. I may very well say a few things back in defense. Then someone takes and posts my few comments on SM for the world to see, but fails to include the hostile things said on their end. Say other things are also done similar to this, to the point that I was being publicly incriminated. I wouldn't want to continue to converse with anyone that would do this to me. I would want a mediator because I know no matter what I said, they would take it and turn it around and use it against me, on a public forum to boot!

Then on top of it, if people started to twist or make things up because they ran out of fuel for the fire, would that help the situation?

The parents need some good, caring, professional people to stand by their sides and bring things together. Someone that is professional and has no bias. They need someone to protect them from outside influences that aren't in Dylan's or their best interests.

Great post!!
I agree, if you want someone's cooperation, going about it this way is not the right way to get that. Calling him out publicly, giving only one side of the text exchanges, that's playing mind games, and it's not going to do anything but make him angrier and more uncooperative. If this were me, I would not want to talk to them either.
This has turned into a 3 ring circus, it has long ago ceased to be about finding Dylan. It's about this campaign to bring Mark down for something he probably had nothing to do with.
I keep seeing comments that if Mark is innocent, he has nothing to worry about. That could not be further from the truth. Many people have lost their families, their jobs and their reputations because of false accusations when they had no way of proving their innocence. There have been people who were convicted and sent to prison and turned out years later they were innocent.
Mark has already been convicted in the court of public opinion, and these people on the FB page are continuing to bolster that opinion. Yes, it does seem like they're more interested in the drama than the facts.
Sadly, Dylan seems to be lost in all this hooplah.

 

[Chili Fries]

If Dr Phil were to happen, my guess is that he would want Mark to take a polygraph.

It brings back memories of Tina Porter on Dr Phil, I'll never forget that. Her 2 children had disappeared while with her husband Dan (eerily after they had left McDonald's). Dr Phil had Tina and Dan's best friend on the show (Dan didn't appear). The torment Tina was going through was truly unreal, it was one of the most emotional things I've ever seen on TV. Dan's friend took a poly and failed. We never heard what the friend exactly knew but eventually the children were found deceased

(I'm not saying I am confident that Mark did what Dan Porter did, just that I don't know if I could handle watching Elaine confront Mark and not get the answers she wants, like what happened with Tina Porter)

 

[jjenny]

I agree.
I feel pretty strongly though that he went off with someone that wasn't a complete stranger - most likely someone he'd met through someone else or at a place like church or school.

Dylan wasn't even supposed to be at home that morning, considering MR was going to drop him off at Dylan's friend.
Why would someone expect to find Dylan there? Dylan certainly didn't contact anyone in the morning to tell them he was there. His communications stopped on Sunday evening.

 

[SCHMAE]

Dylan wasn't even supposed to be at home that morning, considering MR was going to drop him off at Dylan's friend.
Why would someone expect to find Dylan there? Dylan certainly didn't contact anyone in the morning to tell them he was there. His communications stopped on Sunday evening.

Maybe they didnt expect him and were surprised.
Maybe someone showed up to rob MR and found Dylan inside.
Maybe a postman, ups driver, drifter looking for work, old friend
of MR back from war/prison/work and stop by to see his pal.

 

[rebeccaeee]

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...eir-decision-to-take-sex-offender-into-home--

An interesting article from the Herald this morning about a RSO newly released in Durango. No relevance to Dylan but an interesting comment after the article from a local mom who said she searched the SO lists after Dylan went missing. Nice to see locals are thinking of all the possibilities. IMO I think this family in the article is nuts.

 

[ColdHands]

Dylan wasn't even supposed to be at home that morning, considering MR was going to drop him off at Dylan's friend.
Why would someone expect to find Dylan there? Dylan certainly didn't contact anyone in the morning to tell them he was there. His communications stopped on Sunday evening.

Is it not possible that someone saw Dylan outside as they were driving by? I haven't fully inspected pictures of the house but it appears to be visible from the road.

My speculation is that Dylan stepped outside for who knows what reason while he waited for his dad and was seen by someone he knew. That person stopped, chatted a bit, realized Dylan was alone, offered him a ride, told him to grab his stuff quickly, got the phone from him before he could text his dad or his friends that he was leaving the house, and took the opportunity.

I grew up in an area that was a lot like that - one road in/out. Neighbors stopped all the time to chat if we were outside, especially if there wasn't a lot of traffic on the road. Didn't even pull up into the driveway, often just stopped on the road itself.

 

[jjenny]

Is it not possible that someone saw Dylan outside as they were driving by? I haven't fully inspected pictures of the house but it appears to be visible from the road.

My speculation is that Dylan stepped outside for who knows what reason while he waited for his dad and was seen by someone he knew. That person stopped, chatted a bit, realized Dylan was alone, offered him a ride, told him to grab his stuff quickly, got the phone from him before he could text his dad or his friends that he was leaving the house, and took the opportunity.

I grew up in an area that was a lot like that - one road in/out. Neighbors stopped all the time to chat if we were outside, especially if there wasn't a lot of traffic on the road. Didn't even pull up into the driveway, often just stopped on the road itself.

Why wasn't Dylan responding to his friend prior to this supposed person showing up (by the way, not that many people are going to be interested in a 13 year old boy)? Considering that according to MR, Dylan had time to eat breakfast and watch TV? MR claims that a bowl was in the sink, and TV was on Nickelodeon. So why wasn't Dylan responding to his friend, considering he was already late for their meeting?

 

[catswhiskers]

Is it not possible that someone saw Dylan outside as they were driving by? I haven't fully inspected pictures of the house but it appears to be visible from the road.

My speculation is that Dylan stepped outside for who knows what reason while he waited for his dad and was seen by someone he knew. That person stopped, chatted a bit, realized Dylan was alone, offered him a ride, told him to grab his stuff quickly, got the phone from him before he could text his dad or his friends that he was leaving the house, and took the opportunity.

I grew up in an area that was a lot like that - one road in/out. Neighbors stopped all the time to chat if we were outside, especially if there wasn't a lot of traffic on the road. Didn't even pull up into the driveway, often just stopped on the road itself.

I've speculated about the same scenario myself - seems a real possibility to me as well. Thanks for the insight of your own experiences too.

 

[Dee10]

Is it not possible that someone saw Dylan outside as they were driving by? I haven't fully inspected pictures of the house but it appears to be visible from the road.

My speculation is that Dylan stepped outside for who knows what reason while he waited for his dad and was seen by someone he knew. That person stopped, chatted a bit, realized Dylan was alone, offered him a ride, told him to grab his stuff quickly, got the phone from him before he could text his dad or his friends that he was leaving the house, and took the opportunity.

I grew up in an area that was a lot like that - one road in/out. Neighbors stopped all the time to chat if we were outside, especially if there wasn't a lot of traffic on the road. Didn't even pull up into the driveway, often just stopped on the road itself.

My understanding is it is a dead end road. I wonder how many houses are past Mark's? All the neighbors have been interviewed at least once and I would guess have been asked if they were on the road that day, if they had any visitors, contractors, etc. at their home. In a very small town, you notice different people more as it is out of the norm, especially in the slow season. I just don't see a random car driving by on a dead end street.

 

[dlc]

So why is it so important to them that Mark do the show, if they're only interested in finding Dylan, and keeping his name and face out there? If that is their reason, then it should not matter whether Mark is on or not. Right?

IMO, they want him on there to confront him, put him on the hot seat, make him look guiltier than he already does. And then if he refuses, they can say that's one more thing he isn't doing for Dylan.

Well, I can see what you're saying, but people have said over and over on here that if they don't all get together and work together, that the general public will view this as a troubled family situation. Plus, if the only way to get on the show is to go as a group, then I really do think that he just needs to go on there and do the best he can. For his son. JMO.

Thanks.

 

[catswhiskers]

Why wasn't Dylan responding to his friend prior to this supposed person showing up (by the way, not that many people are going to be interested in a 13 year old boy)? Considering that according to MR, Dylan had time to eat breakfast and watch TV? MR claims that a bowl was in the sink, and TV was on Nickelodeon. So why wasn't Dylan responding to his friend, considering he was already late for their meeting?

Not sure what is implied by the part bbm, but maybe that could explain away why nobody else saw Dylan that morning?
I wonder how many cars would actually travel along that stretch of road on a typical morning. Now I am wishing I had tallied just how many homes are along MR's section of road - no guarantee of course that every one of those residents were out and about in their vehicles that morning. The point is - there might have only been one vehicle in a particular time frame -and that could have been the one.

 

[mck16]

Is it not possible that someone saw Dylan outside as they were driving by? I haven't fully inspected pictures of the house but it appears to be visible from the road.

My speculation is that Dylan stepped outside for who knows what reason while he waited for his dad and was seen by someone he knew. That person stopped, chatted a bit, realized Dylan was alone, offered him a ride, told him to grab his stuff quickly, got the phone from him before he could text his dad or his friends that he was leaving the house, and took the opportunity.

I grew up in an area that was a lot like that - one road in/out. Neighbors stopped all the time to chat if we were outside, especially if there wasn't a lot of traffic on the road. Didn't even pull up into the driveway, often just stopped on the road itself.

I have also wondered if whoever, was not after DR, but maybe the backpack. A drifter, a homeless person, anyone that needed money and thought there might be something of value in the backpack. just wondering.

 

[ColdHands]

My understanding is it is a dead end road. I wonder how many houses are past Mark's? All the neighbors have been interviewed at least once and I would guess have been asked if they were on the road that day, if they had any visitors, contractors, etc. at their home. In a very small town, you notice different people more as it is out of the norm, especially in the slow season. I just don't see a random car driving by on a dead end street.

Yes, I agree. I just don't know that it's possible to paint a perfect scenario. And my 12 yo son is pretty random - I don't think I could tell you for sure what he would do if he was left alone for 4 hours on a non-school day.

 

[Eileen730]

What if LE found someone that had a camera that showed that road? and who traveled it.