CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[katydid23]

I think they all mean the same thing. Answers are going to be different depending on the way questions are worded. The reporters may also have reworded or shortened his statements. In the more detailed interviews, where he is on camera, I think his words may be choppy because he is nervous. I used to get like this and have trouble getting my words out and stumble if I had to speak in front of others. I don't really think MR would have any camera experience. As far as the statement about him helping him, I think he is referring to trying to help him wake up.

I think they are very different descriptions. In early versions, he is just making noise in the kitchen, but his son was out like a light, so he just left for his errands.

There was NO mention of him 'nudging Dylan awake' and discussing anything with him. There was no mention of Dylan 'understanding' that his dad was coming back to give him a ride. Those are all in the later versions. Those seem like very different scenarios, imo.

 

[mmmagique]

Which we are going to stop discussing now. It's okay to read there, but we shouldn't be discussing the posts from there because none of them can be verified and it is all considered rumor.

So... that means we need to drop this conversation now.

Salem

PS - Not directed at you ColdHands, just jumping off your post so everyone knows I'm going to start removing posts that continue the discussion if we can't link it up w/MSM.

:what: I thought we were allowed to paraphrase and discuss posts from that particular site? Did something change?

 

[asyousay]

Deleted -'my phone posted a message twice for some reason .

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I believe it's about transparency. If they did it on the downlow, and Mark turned them down, and they talked about it, it would be considered rumour. But since they've done it publicly, the ball is now in Mark's court.

Tacky doesn't mean a thing when you've got a child missing. I'd be tackier than Honey Boo boo's mama if it meant finding my child. For real.

It's rumor regardless, because there is nothing showing that MR said these things. The statements are thrown out there as though they are just blatant accusations, with nothing to back them up. I wish they would all stop playing games.

 

[asyousay]

If Mark is innocent then he has nothing to fear by going on the tv show . Yes it may be unpleasant but it won't be any worse than having his son kidnapped and never knowing the outcome .


Life can be a cruel mistress and we al l do things we would rather not but sometimes you have to suck it up .

 

[mmmagique]

I think they are very different descriptions. In early versions, he is just making noise in the kitchen, but his son was out like a light, so he just left for his errands.

There was NO mention of him 'nudging Dylan awake' and discussing anything with him. There was no mention of Dylan 'understanding' that his dad was coming back to give him a ride. Those are all in the later versions. Those seem like very different scenarios, imo.

That, "I "gently" nudged him awake" has always niggled at me. Who says I "gently" did anything, unless they actually weren't gentle?

Unless someone is describing a sick sleeping baby or elderly person, I just don't get that phrase. It sticks out to me, and it bothers me.

 

[mck16]

So that means that we just discount all of the other versions? I can understand that if it's a matter of different media stories, but the majority of these are straight from MR's mouth.

How many times have you waked your sleeping child to go somewhere or to eat breakfast or to get up and take a shower? Do you remember it word for word or event to event? I think everything looks great or not so great in hindsight. And that is all MR has. My goodness do we remember eveything we do hour by hour. I know I certainly don't . JMO

 

[cluciano63]

The link was posted here about 4 pages back. I can go get it if you want.

I will look, I only saw one with a video clip and do not have speakers today, thanks.

 

[katydid23]

That, "I "gently" nudged him awake" has always niggled at me. Who says I "gently" did anything, unless they actually weren't gentle?

Unless someone is describing a sick sleeping baby or elderly person, I just don't get that phrase. It sticks out to me, and it bothers me.

My DH used to wake up DS when he was that age. ' Gently nudging' was not an option. It's more like " YO, WAKE UP....We're LATE!!!!!"

 

[katydid23]

How many times have you waked your sleeping child to go somewhere or to eat breakfast or to get up and take a shower? Do you remember it word for word or event to event? I think everything looks great or not so great in hindsight. And that is all MR has. My goodness do we remember eveything we do hour by hour. I know I certainly don't . JMO

But if it was THE LAST TIME you had seen your child, you'd remember it, imo.

 

[mck16]

But if it was THE LAST TIME you had seen your child, you'd remember it, imo.

He did not know that was going to be the last time he saw his child. Good grief. I am sure if he had known that he would have wriitten it down. jmo

 

[Seajay]

you beat me to it. I was just going to ask why it had Not been discussed. I thought maybe it was off limits or something. And I agree his entire message was very good especially the last part of it.

Who in the world would be so cruel as to report this horrible hoax. jmo

I really loved the message MR sent to his son. "Dylan, we are coming for you." I'm glad he spoke up about this, it's a mean thing for anyone to do. Some people are really sicker than others.

Dylan come home.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I thought a lot about that same thing - that there's no way a person could remember an exact conversation. And then on top of that to repeat that conversation verbatim each time it was recounted. But when I really tried to put myself in his place - realizing that my child was missing - I think I would remember exactly what was said because those were the last words uttered. Just like when a loved one dies, and people say, "these were our last words to each other.."

I don't know, everyone is different. In the case of a missing child as time passed and you started to realize that something was really wrong, shock may set in and your adrenaline takes over. I don't know how clouded your memory may be or if it differs (most likely) for each person. I could see just giving a quick answer to a basic question and then later as you thought more and more, trying to recount any details that would help to find answers, you would remember more specific details.

Also, he was really being pressured because everyone was accusing him of holding back information. Maybe he was trying to be as detailed as possible, especially in the last interview.

 

[Seajay]

He did not know that was going to be the last time he saw his child. Good grief. I am sure if he had known that he would have wriitten it down. jmo

Or recorded it. Better yet, taken video of him.

 

[Seajay]

I don't know, everyone is different. In the case of a missing child as time passed and you started to realize that something was really wrong, shock may set in and your adrenaline takes over. I don't know how clouded your memory may be or if it differs (most likely) for each person. I could see just giving a quick answer to a basic question and then later as you thought more and more, trying to recount any details that would help to find answers, you would remember more specific details.

Also, he was really being pressured because everyone was accusing him of holding back information. Maybe he was trying to be as detailed as possible, especially in the last interview.

IA, first shocked and panic set in and you just can't think. You are trying to think of where he could be, what he could be doing. By the time he got to the Marshall's Office, he was probably beside himself, especially after finding out Elaine hadn't heard from him either. Your mind shuts down so you don't feel the panic and devastation.

More shall be revealed. As time has gone by, I'm sure he's remembering more details about his short time with Dylan. There is not instant recall to everything that was said and done at that moment. IMO

 

[Lordeebee]

Or recorded it. Better yet, taken video of him.

Seeing as how we are discussing the last known words of a missing child, I don't see the humor in that. Good night

 

[BeginnersLuck]

IA, first shocked and panic set in and you just can't think. You are trying to think of where he could be, what he could be doing. By the time he got to the Marshall's Office, he was probably beside himself, especially after finding out Elaine hadn't heard from him either. Your mind shuts down so you don't feel the panic and devastation.

More shall be revealed. As time has gone by, I'm sure he's remembering more details about his short time with Dylan. There is not instant recall to everything that was said and done at that moment. IMO

Thank you. You worded that so much better. That was what I was trying to explain. I think it's bedtime for me.

 

[katydid23]

He did not know that was going to be the last time he saw his child. Good grief. I am sure if he had known that he would have wriitten it down. jmo

NO, but he came back at 11:30, and his kid was gone. He must have thought back at that point, remembering what was said, IF ANYTHING, earlier that morning.

And then later that afternoon, talking to the cops about his LAST CONVERSATION with his son, surely he could remember something that crucially important, from earlier that day?

 

[mck16]

IA, first shocked and panic set in and you just can't think. You are trying to think of where he could be, what he could be doing. By the time he got to the Marshall's Office, he was probably beside himself, especially after finding out Elaine hadn't heard from him either. Your mind shuts down so you don't feel the panic and devastation.

More shall be revealed. As time has gone by, I'm sure he's remembering more details about his short time with Dylan. There is not instant recall to everything that was said and done at that moment. IMO

As far as I am concerned this whole thing is being tried in a court of retrospect. We all post well, I would have done this, or this should have been done, but this is all hindsight. Of course if we knew then what was going to happen everything would have been different. jmo

 

[cluciano63]

I am on the verge of thinking someone else, totally unrelated to any family member, may have taken Dylan, as completely unlikely as it seems to me...but cannot get over MR taking a nap and Dylan not contacting anyone since Sunday night. The second even more than the first, although the first just stuns me.

No explanation I have seen makes one iota of sense as to why Dylan would not have texted R first thing.