CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #33

[Psychic Sleuth]

O/T slightly, but I just looked at the FMDR page and its horrible. Post after post of people slagging off MR and saying all sorts of awful things about him, and accusations about his parenting skills etc. IF he is innocent in all of this, I hope he sues anyone who has said anything untrue.

At the present time, this man is innocent in the eyes of the law (regardless of how suspicious the time line and phone pings are) and LE haven't arrested him so far. Secondly, how is any of that helping find Dylan? If posters are that interested in the case they press "like" and spend time commenting on a FB page to slag off MR, why not use their time productively and hand out flyers or raise awareness of Dylan's disappearance?

I agree and I think this is in such poor taste and yes all those people could absolutely be sued by him. I don't think they realize this but yes they absolutely can. If it turns out he is innocent I can see this happening.

 

[SCHMAE]

Two questions to anyone who may know the answer and T Y In advance !
1) What was the very first day that ER made any reference to any
possible involvement by MR ?
2) Do we know if Dylan ever attempted either on foot or on bike , either alone or
with a friend , to go from MR's house down to the ' friend ' in Bayfield's house?
That's a long way but I can totally see a kid his age saying " oh no we can make it
fine. ' Maybe they go halfway and call for back up , a ride from one of their parents and
say ' wow we didnt realize how far it was ' Or maybe they make it all the way and
said " never ever again, that took all day '. I think its perfectly reasonable that he
may have tried in the past to walk with the friend down to his house, maybe because
either parent was too busy to take them right then. So I'd like to know if he ever did
and what the outcome was. We live in a pretty big neighborhood, homes far spread out on 10 and 20 acres apiece and my kids have often walked to friends houses within the neighborhood. But its a long walk from one end to the other. They would definitely know how long it takes to get to this or that friends' house and they do NOT like walking it one bit !

 

[catswhiskers]

O/T slightly, but I just looked at the FMDR page and its horrible. Post after post of people slagging off MR and saying all sorts of awful things about him, and accusations about his parenting skills etc. IF he is innocent in all of this, I hope he sues anyone who has said anything untrue.

At the present time, this man is innocent in the eyes of the law (regardless of how suspicious the time line and phone pings are) and LE haven't arrested him so far. Secondly, how is any of that helping find Dylan? If posters are that interested in the case they press "like" and spend time commenting on a FB page to slag off MR, why not use their time productively and hand out flyers or raise awareness of Dylan's disappearance?

I stopped looking at either page a couple of weeks back. IMO things took a downward turn when the official page admin outed herself after posting pretty viciously under yet another name on the other page. It's a great example of fb at its worst now - I'm wondering if some users will ever take a step back and reconsider their own part in what it has become.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Mark's actions (or lack of them) has made me feel he might be involved more than anything. If he were to start making an effort to get Dylan's name and face out there and work with people I would definitely start thinking of other possibilities more. I'm impressed that he is working with the K9 group and I'm impressed that he is working with an PI (even if he has crappy pants). It's an effort and so important if you ask me. And I will be really impressed if he goes on Dr Phil.

Some say Dr Phil will only attempt to make him look guilty. I don't think so. I think Dr Phil's goal will be trying to get to the truth. I think the more MR speaks in public the more it will become obvious either way. If he's innocent he should do it. If he's not it probably would not be in his best interest to do it. MR making an attempt to help find his son is the smartest thing he could do IMO. IF he's innocent that is!! If he's guilty it is probably best for him to remain silent and hope this all just goes away eventually.

 

[azgrandma]

This was said two days later:

Redwine said that law enforcement even suggested that the Redwines, divorced six years ago, get mediation so they can work together better to find Dylan. So far, he said, Elaine has not accepted.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20130126/NEWS01/130129704/Demonstrators-call-out-Mark-Redwine

Jumping off this post -
OMG! ER has been trying to communicate with MR for weeks, he makes a statement about LE suggesting that they get a mediator and he is going to look into it, two days later (without a mediator selected) he puts it back on ER as she hasn't accepted!!
For crying out loud and for the life of me, I can't understand how this has gotten so out of hand

If MR says something was black then said it was white - people would say he was mistaken or the reporter got it wrong (despite video of MR in MR's own words) If ER says it is black then says it is white, she's trying to trip MR up and put him in the corner. Not to mention that she is being held accountable for what FB members are saying.

I just don't get how some MSM articles are taken as truth and others aren't, how some FB comments are gospel but others are rumor. IT CAN'T BE BOTH WAYS. If one is accepted it all has to be accepted, picking and choosing what MSM or FB articles & comments are valid in order to make the point is the same as making the evidence fit the crime IMO.
Ignoring what is out there because it doesn't fit the point just doesn't make sense in my world.

Sorry, I'm out of here for awhile. (personally at Dee10 - I apologize for jumping off your post, this isn't directed at you at all. I went to reply and just got so dang frustrated and don't know how you "un-reply" and just quote)

 

[SCHMAE]

Impromptu silly poll :

IF MR goes on Dr Phil and the whole show goes on as routine and after it is over Dr Phil says to the public, ' after tests, talks, psychologist, etc , we do NOT feel MR is involved in the disappearance of Dylan' ........ how many here would believe that ?

 

[The Cheese]

I've added my comments in bold

I've copied your comments here because the way they were embedded in my quoted post made it hard to do any other way.

- he didn't send her a text when he got home, he waited at least 4 hours or more before texting her.

I didn't realize when I posted that that Eileen was referring to 11:30am.

- she knew that Dylan had arrived and been picked up by MR, so why would she think he wasn't safe?

:twocents: Because he didn't answer her text Sun night, and still didn't answer her text the next morning, and still didn't answer her text all Mon

- Dylan had been in his fathers care for less than 24 hours, she should not need to be chasing contact, non custodial parents don't like it when they think the custodial parent is checking up on them.

I see this differently. We'll have to agree to disagree.

- what report is that? can you please provide a link because I've never heard that before. IIRC it was close to 5pm when she received the text from MR, how much more of her work day would there have been? she was over 5 hours away from where Dylan disappeared, what difference would it have made if she left at 4.30 or 5pm? should she have flown instead of driven to save a lot of time in getting there too?

She remembers receiving the text Nov. 19 from Mark Redwine and contacting the Bayfield Marshal’s Office to report Dylan missing. She headed to the area after work.

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/mom-149885-monument-disappearance.html#ixzz2KK3W7rvq

I don't know her work hours. I wouldn't have waited a single minute, but then I wouldn't go to bed not getting a response to a text to my child, and I certainly wouldn't have gone to work the next morning and stayed there all day, especially having texted a second time and getting no response. I'd have contacted my child's father the night before to make sure my child was okay. The point though is it shows to me that she wasn't worried about Dylan's missing status, and it adds to the basis of my opinion that Dylan's norm was footloose and fancy free. :twocents:

These are not judgements of Elaine's parenting. They are observations and my opinion of Dylan's norm based on those observations. I don't care if ER was a good or bad or okay or whatever parent. I care about trying to figure out what happened to Dylan, and to do that I need to know a child's norm, so I can figure out what things happened that were unusual for that child, to see if there's a clue in there. That's it. :twocents:

- again can you please provide a link to that. Have her comments been interpreted correctly or have people jumped to conclusions? was she was referring to when Dylan was with his father that he would text her where he landed for the night or just in general? and did he not always text her at night when with his father or at a friends place for the night, if she knew who he was with I don't think its odd that he didn't always text her at night, because when kids are at sleepovers or with their father they don't always ring or text Mom.

link above. Have Mark's comments been interpreted correctly or have people jumped to conclusions? Speaking for myself, believe me, I don't jump to conclusions. I agonize and study things over and over and look stuff up and go back and compare. It drives me crazy. Wish I could stop it. I wish especially so in this case. I don't usually follow what I think of as trailer park smack down vengeful ex-spouse fighting cases. The problem for me is that 1) Dylan looks exactly like my youngest at that age and he stole my heart, and 2) at the bottom of the disgusting mud-slinging is that sweetheart of a little boy and I have a personal need to know what the hell happened to him. That's hard to put aside. Believe me, I've tried again and again. Mark doesn't call me back. Elaine doesn't call me back. Dylan calls me back, and I can not ignore him.

So far as interpreted correctly - people observe and interpret the actions of people they don't know all day every day all throughout the hundreds of cases and thousands of pages all over this forum. Most of it, well, who's to say if it's correct or incorrect? It's almost entirely opinion and perception and stuff like that. Dealing with people that the vast majority have never known, it's hard to say what's correct or incorrect. It's a big huge guessing game.

Sorry for going on and on. I'm particularly upset about this case today. I'm going to try to watch a movie or read a book or *something* to take a breather some time today, and just go back to lurk mode.

:twocents: :twocents: :twocents:

 

[mck16]

Impromptu silly poll :

IF MR goes on Dr Phil and the whole show goes on as routine and after it is over Dr Phil says to the public, ' after tests, talks, psychologist, etc , we do NOT feel MR is involved in the disappearance of Dylan' ........ how many here would believe that ?

That is a good question. Probably not many as they would conjur up some idea that Phil is in cohoots with MR or that he bought him off. As for me, it makes no difference what Phil says I already do not believe he was involved. jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Bingo

This is why they have called him out. He keeps pretending like he is doing his best and he is doing this and that to help when clearly he is not .

So call him out and watch him crawl back under his rock. Mike Hall has even called his bluff and is willing to contact his work and pay his missed wages . He then has no excuses on why he cant do this but he still wont as he has something to hide :cow:


For all Mark knows 3 weeks could be the difference between life and death for Dylan . The fact he wants to do it in 3 weeks is beyond a joke.

UGH!~
Yes 3 weeks is a head scratcher. I keep trying for whatever reason to put MR aside in my mind as a player in this and then something like 3 weeks, or a nap , or x y or z come up and then I don't know what I think.
Note to MR ,,,,, DUDE ,,,,,,what the heck is your deal. Your actions do not match your words. Say something different or DO something different or you 'll always be in the hot seat ! Three weeks? There is no urgency if you want to wait 3 weeks. Why no urgency ? What will be different in 3 weeks time? One thing is some of the new awareness might quiet down and you can go on back to whatever you were doing and perhaps folks will forget . Come on man ! I'm trying to look at other options for Dylans' whereabouts but you're making it soooooooo hard !

BBM
Have I missed something overnight? Has Mark himself made a statement about wanting to wait 3 weeks to do the Dr Phil show or is this still based on the FB rumor? If he has made a statement, can we have a link? Thanks.

 

[Eileen730]

Two questions to anyone who may know the answer and T Y In advance !
1) What was the very first day that ER made any reference to any
possible involvement by MR ?
2) Do we know if Dylan ever attempted either on foot or on bike , either alone or
with a friend , to go from MR's house down to the ' friend ' in Bayfield's house?
That's a long way but I can totally see a kid his age saying " oh no we can make it
fine. ' Maybe they go halfway and call for back up , a ride from one of their parents and
say ' wow we didnt realize how far it was ' Or maybe they make it all the way and
said " never ever again, that took all day '. I think its perfectly reasonable that he
may have tried in the past to walk with the friend down to his house, maybe because
either parent was too busy to take them right then. So I'd like to know if he ever did
and what the outcome was. We live in a pretty big neighborhood, homes far spread out on 10 and 20 acres apiece and my kids have often walked to friends houses within the neighborhood. But its a long walk from one end to the other. They would definitely know how long it takes to get to this or that friends' house and they do NOT like walking it one bit !

See the thing is if he took his bike i could see it!


That bicycle out front bothers me I cant see it being left out there for 3 months with MR being gone.

I was thinking last night!
I think dylan made his own plans to meet up with R at 6 30 and I do believe
he was going to get there on his own. I dont think Dad knew anything about getting D there at 6 30 am....

dylan could have gotten up 5 ish gathered his stuff and took off on his own on THAT bike. ( I think he was really really po'd at dad for not letting him go.)
Dad gest up early and finds no Dylan hops in the truck and heads out looking for him. I have my idea of what happend! but ill keep it to myself!

 

[Eileen730]

BBM
Have I missed something overnight? Has Mark himself made a statement about wanting to wait 3 weeks to do the Dr Phil show or is this still based on the FB rumor? If he has made a statement, can we have a link? Thanks.

thats what his PI MO said!

It almost like this MO has made himself MR's spokesperson!

Not sure any of it is true!

 

[SCHMAE]

BBM
Have I missed something overnight? Has Mark himself made a statement about wanting to wait 3 weeks to do the Dr Phil show or is this still based on the FB rumor? If he has made a statement, can we have a link? Thanks.

I'm sorry. I have no link. I just saw that term thrown about here
about a few dozen times. I have no answer for u . fia

 

[mck16]

thats what his PI MO said!

It almost like this MO has made himself MR's spokesperson!

Not sure any of it is true!

Do you have a link for that? Not questioning you, just would like to read for myself so I can see what context, etc. it was said in. tia

 

[SCHMAE]

thats what his PI MO said!

It almost like this MO has made himself MR's spokesperson!

Not sure any of it is true!

The ghosthunting unlicensed pi ?
Boy did I get hoodwinked.

 

[Eileen730]

I agree and I think this is in such poor taste and yes all those people could absolutely be sued by him. I don't think they realize this but yes they absolutely can. If it turns out he is innocent I can see this happening.

If everything they are saying are lies cant he just go to his lawyer and get a cease an desist?

 

[SCHMAE]

Does anyone think still think MR has a lawyer advising him?
I'm thinking NOT !

 

[Lordeebee]

I just don't believe that Mark could have pulled off the perfect disappearance of his child. Not and still been in town, and not leaving any kind of physical evidence around.

Do you know how hard and impossible that would have to be? Enron if he planned it in advance, he wouldn't have been able to control Dyan's texting and the electronic pings of his and Dylan's phones. Or take a chance that random people or cameras wouldn't have caught him in the act.

And NO forensic evidence of a crime whatsoever. Professional criminals aren't always that good, that's why they get caught. There would need to be some kind of slip up or indicator left someplace. IMO, JMO, MOO

I agree that it's difficult to imagine Mark pulling this off without leaving a shred of evidence. But we have no idea what and/or how much evidence LE does have.

 

[Eileen730]

The ghosthunting unlicensed pi ?
Boy did I get hoodwinked.

Yes!
The one and only!
He is a hypnotherapist I believe lol

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Impromptu silly poll :

IF MR goes on Dr Phil and the whole show goes on as routine and after it is over Dr Phil says to the public, ' after tests, talks, psychologist, etc , we do NOT feel MR is involved in the disappearance of Dylan' ........ how many here would believe that ?

It would sway my opinion!

 

[Eileen730]

Does anyone think still think MR has a lawyer advising him?
I'm thinking NOT !

I say YES!

Hes nobody fool!

JMO