CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #35

[Allusonz]

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin

http://www.pimall.com/nais/n.intera.html

http://inpublicsafety.com/2012/06/l...proper-training-to-identify-false-information

Was a baseline determined for both facial and speech patterns of MR?

I am thinking one was not by most regular individuals.

I am also thinking that the task force are using all the tools available to them.

 

[Lordeebee]

I know. Not Dylan....

Yes, Dylan is still the focus. <modsnip>.

 

[margarita25]

Ladies, anything new on KT?

 

[cfreyja23]

My apologies if it sounded as if I was dictating what the facts are, I wasn't. I was thinking out loud and asking what I am missing.

In regards to MR's statements not being fact. I'm also excluding ER's statements. I was simply going by what is known IMO.

Again, my apologies if you felt that I violated TOS, I in no way intended for anyone to think that I was dictating what the facts are. I thought we were allowed to give our opinion on what we thought the facts were.

It didn't seem to me that you were dictating facts at all, merely that you were trying to reserve the word "fact" for information that has been confirmed by LE, and not claims made by either parent. When I started posting on WS, I was initially confused about the TOS regarding making an assertion and labelling statements as opinion, but your theories seem to be clearly marked as your opinion in the above comment. Thank you for the input!

 

[Salem]

I think Dylan is too to be told it is better if he stays with his "protector" as his parents don't care about him, etc...

I also think it impossible that any relation of either parent took Dylan. LE cannot be that incompetent as to not have verified the whereabouts of any relatives who knew Dylan, or knew of him and it pretty clear that LE is not seeking a specific person. They have even said they have no idea what happened to Dylan, other than a few stabs at guessing.

IMO, no one has Dylan in a cabin or anywhere else. The K-9 searcher may be the best chance to locate him.

Shawn Hornbeck was 11 when he was kidnapped and held for those 2 or 3 years. He even had access to the internet, but was either so afraid or so brainwashed, he couldn't bring himself to leave a message.

Now I'm not saying I think this is what happened, nor do I think there has been enough time to brainwash Dylan (not that I know how long it takes) but it could be possible.

The other thing I wanted to respond to was all the comments about how do you keep a 13 year old off the phone. Actually, I think that is really easy. You don't let them use it. Lots of parents put limits on the amount of time a kid has to play on his/her phone. And if you take the phone away - well, then they can't use it all. It is possible. Again, not saying that is what is happening here, just saying, it is possible.

Salem

 

[cluciano63]

Still, I see a difference between 11 and basically 14. But of course I guess we have to say anything is possible, since it may never be known what happened to him. My feeling is, we won't ever know.

 

[Salem]

I think we will eventually know, clu. It just might take awhile.

On another note, I meant to tell you that I agree 100% that LE has checked the relatives because I do not doubt for a minute that both of these parents insisted on it, as each thinks the other has done something.

Salem

 

[Salem]

Let's not attack one another, please. If you think a post violates TOS, alert it and let the mods handle it.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[jjenny]

Shawn Hornbeck was 11 when he was kidnapped and held for those 2 or 3 years. He even had access to the internet, but was either so afraid or so brainwashed, he couldn't bring himself to leave a message.

Now I'm not saying I think this is what happened, nor do I think there has been enough time to brainwash Dylan (not that I know how long it takes) but it could be possible.

The other thing I wanted to respond to was all the comments about how do you keep a 13 year old off the phone. Actually, I think that is really easy. You don't let them use it. Lots of parents put limits on the amount of time a kid has to play on his/her phone. And if you take the phone away - well, then they can't use it all. It is possible. Again, not saying that is what is happening here, just saying, it is possible.

Salem

But that wasn't a kidnapping by a relative. That was kidnapping by a predator.

 

[ColdHands]

The facts can’t be discounted, manipulated or ignored to fit a crime. They either need to all be accepted or not.

Here are some theories: All IMO

Family member / friend of ER or MR abducted Dylan to rescue him. That accounts for MR & ER not knowing where Dylan is. If that theory is to be believed, then this family member or friend convinced Dylan to take all of his belongings with him.
How is the no cell phone after 8 pm or 937 pm (whichever is accurate) accounted for? It isn’t. The cell phone inactivity has to be ignored and that means that facts of the investigation are being ignored to fit the crime. The theory that the battery died, the phone crashed, the charger wouldn’t re-charge the phone, that is manipulating the facts.

Keep in mind that family & friends have most likely been interviewed and or public, so IF this happened, they are very confident that Dylan is secured away.

Stranger / occasional family friend abduction, again that accounts for ER & MR not knowing where Dylan is. Again, this stranger / occasional family friend was able to find every possible opportunity and timing to take Dylan and all his belongings.
How is the no cell phone after 8 pm or 937 pm (whichever is accurate) accounted for? It isn’t. The cell phone inactivity has to be ignored and that means that facts of the investigation are being ignored to fit the crime.

Dylan ran away. This is possibly the most unlikely. I personally find it hard to believe that a 13 yo now 14 yo is so intelligent that he is able to disappear so well and survive so well that there is not one trace of his existence anywhere. Keep in mind that we all have just learned of a 33 yo Navy & LAPD trained male that wasn’t able to disappear himself with all his training without leaving a trace, but Dylan could.
Again, How is the no cell phone after 8 pm or 937 pm (whichever is accurate) accounted for? It isn’t. The cell phone inactivity has to be ignored and that means that facts of the investigation are being ignored to fit the crime.

MR disappeared Dylan and has him in hiding (with or without the help of another). This would account for all the facts that we know, the cell phone stopped working Sunday evening. MR’s accounts for Monday are fabricated. His employment has allowed him the opportunity since Dylan’s disappearance to move outside of the eye of LE to allow opportunity to check on Dylan’s well being.
Although one of the biggest facts is accounted for, the phone. Many of the actions of MR since Dylan’s disappearance would have to be discounted or excused. Again, this is ignoring or discounting the known facts to make it fit the crime. Not impossible but highly improbable.

Both ER and CR have solid alibis during the time in question. Work and home, not to mention an approximate 300 mile distance from Dylan. Neither of them would have been privy to MR’s appointment & errands on Monday morning or the location of Dylan on Monday morning. The cell phone would also have to be discounted again.

Dylan is deceased and has been since Sunday evening; yes I personally despise this option. Every fact fits without altering it and is not ignored. Facts being things that LE has indicated, anything MR has offered is not a fact as far as LE has indicated one way or another.

IMO, ignoring any fact to fit the conclusion that is most appealing is not in the best interest of anything.

What am I missing? I know I’m missing something.

Sorry this is so long, I wanted to be as thorough as possible and know I missed something &#61514;

It's a good list.

I think there are reasonable possibilities for the phone. IMO, and applicable in any theories except the runaway, the phone was removed from him before he had a chance to use it Monday morning. I don't think 9:37pm is an unreasonable time to stop texting before bedtime, especially if he thought he had to get up really early the next morning. I believe that whatever happened, occurred Monday morning, pretty early, definitely before R's text where he tells Dylan to meet him somewhere else and most likely earlier than that.

I think in the case of family/acquaintance/stranger abduction, the person would not want Dylan to use his phone and would have taken it from him and disabled it.

I believe that it would add some credibility to MR's story if he would release the texts he sent to Dylan that day it still would lend some support to MR's story that MR thought Dylan was alive and his phone was working. Although that could be staged. At this point, MR's story seems weak and he could get a long way if he started providing some proof for himself. Fingerprints on the DVD they watched that night, something, anything that backs up the story he's telling.

I think it's only fair to point out that we don't know what LE thinks is factual in MR's story. Again, according to this latest report, the sheriff's office does not have a suspect.

I also am annoyed with the editing on this CBS Denver video (about 2 minutes in). There is an obvious gap in the video between the statements “I think that’s a huge concern." and "But who knows what goes through a 13-year-old’s head.” So I don't know for sure that those statements were originally linked.

I really really wish we had heard Bender speak his own words about the case.

I have no idea what has happened to poor Dylan and I really do not understand what is happening now.

 

[azgrandma]

IMO - Elaine isn't playing the "blame game" she gave her OPINION about what she suspected happened to Dylan and why. That was it. If she suspected anyone else, she would have given that information. Should have kept her suspicions secret? Her claims have not diverted the attention of LE, IMO, they are still out there investigating & looking.
What if she named someone else? Should she have just turned a blind eye to her suspicions?
IMO - that is not taking the focus off of Dylan

 

[Allusonz]

ER discounts the sightings -

But Elaine Redwine won’t hear of Dylan being a runaway and discounts reported sightings of the boy Monday and Tuesday afternoons.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121123/NEWS01/121129810/-1/s

Thanks for providing this link that I had promised last night, and to the others that as well provided the remaining links I had promised. It is greatly appreciated by me!!!

 

[BeginnersLuck]

The discussion seems completely fruitless, since every time someone wants to explore any and all possibilities of what happened to Dylan the conversation is purposely derailed back to why MR did it.

"MR needs to tell what he did to him. MR has knows all the answers and is withholding them. MR is obviously drunk. MR hacked his FB account. MR is doing nothing to help find Dylan. His phone didn't work after 9:37 pm because of MR and many, many more."

It's a good thing LE doesn't investigate this way. Why is there so much insistence on keeping the focus on speculation of MR when there is no evidence? A lot of effort has been put into doing this.

 

[cfreyja23]

Shawn Hornbeck was 11 when he was kidnapped and held for those 2 or 3 years. He even had access to the internet, but was either so afraid or so brainwashed, he couldn't bring himself to leave a message.

Now I'm not saying I think this is what happened, nor do I think there has been enough time to brainwash Dylan (not that I know how long it takes) but it could be possible.

The other thing I wanted to respond to was all the comments about how do you keep a 13 year old off the phone. Actually, I think that is really easy. You don't let them use it. Lots of parents put limits on the amount of time a kid has to play on his/her phone. And if you take the phone away - well, then they can't use it all. It is possible. Again, not saying that is what is happening here, just saying, it is possible.

Salem

Ok, I have to admit that my comment came from my memories of my own teen years and imagination about how ineffective I would be at disciplining a teen if I had one. I don't have kids, but I do know I can't keep a puppy in line, so what hope is there with a teenager?

 

[Salem]

The discussion seems completely fruitless, since every time someone wants to explore any and all possibilities of what happened to Dylan the conversation is purposely derailed back to why MR did it.

"MR needs to tell what he did to him. MR has knows all the answers and is withholding them. MR is obviously drunk. MR hacked his FB account. MR is doing nothing to help find Dylan. His phone didn't work after 9:37 pm because of MR did and many, many more."

It's a good thing LE doesn't investigate this way. Why is there so much insistence on keeping the focus on speculation of MR when there is no evidence? A lot of effort has been put into doing.

Everyone gets to state their opinion. Over and over, if they wish. If you feel it derails the thread and you don't want to respond to those posts, that's fine. You don't have too. Respond to the posts that are discussing what you would like to discuss. But.... please don't tell others how to post. Just move by it and discuss what you want to discuss (in relation to the case of course).

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Salem]

So what are the possibilities?

1. Something happened on the way home?
2. Someone picked Dylan up that morning
a. at Dylan's request
b. at MR's request
c. at ER's request
d. at an opportunistic moment

Not a lot here. And the phone issue is major, imo. I think it is totally plausible that the phone went dead and there was some delay in recharging it. BUT... LE said that took an iPod during the search, and while not confirmed, I believe that the iPod belonged to Dylan.

According to the reporter, LE found Dylan's online iPod text/email account and had a look at it, which indicates to me that Dylan could text from his iPod. This puts my hinky meter on RED alert.

Why wouldn't Dylan use that iPod to text his friends Monday morning, if he forgot to charge his phone? I'm having trouble getting past this.

Salem

 

[azgrandma]

It's a good list.

I think there are reasonable possibilities for the phone. IMO, and applicable in any theories except the runaway, the phone was removed from him before he had a chance to use it Monday morning. I don't think 9:37pm is an unreasonable time to stop texting before bedtime, especially if he thought he had to get up really early the next morning. I believe that whatever happened, occurred Monday morning, pretty early, definitely before R's text where he tells Dylan to meet him somewhere else and most likely earlier than that.

That makes sense that something happened in the am as well as could've happened in the pm

I think in the case of family/acquaintance/stranger abduction, the person would not want Dylan to use his phone and would have taken it from him and disabled it.

IMO family has been checked out. Perhaps they haven't IDK. How would the stranger get ALL of his belongings? Not to mention that his phone wasn't used in the morning.

I think it's only fair to point out that we don't know what LE thinks is factual in MR's story. Again, according to this latest report, the sheriff's office does not have a suspect.

In my posting I wanted to just refer to the information we have received from LE, I find it odd that they changed the time frame from Monday to Sunday & Monday. IMO

Thanks for the different views

snipped by me so that hopefully I could quote and address the portions that I wanted to address.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

So what are the possibilities?

1. Something happened on the way home?
2. Someone picked Dylan up that morning
a. at Dylan's request
b. at MR's request
c. at ER's request
d. at an opportunistic moment

Not a lot here. And the phone issue is major, imo. I think it is totally plausible that the phone went dead and there was some delay in recharging it. BUT... LE said that took an iPod during the search, and while not confirmed, I believe that the iPod belonged to Dylan.

According to the reporter, LE found Dylan's online iPod text/email account and had a look at it, which indicates to me that Dylan could text from his iPod. This puts my hinky meter on RED alert.

Why wouldn't Dylan use that iPod to text his friends Monday morning, if he forgot to charge his phone? I'm having trouble getting past this.

Salem

Does Mark have Wi-Fi in his home that would allow Dylan to text with his iPod?

 

[BeginnersLuck]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/-/s...in-bayfield-area-for-missing-dylan-redwine-13

A postal worker who knows Dylan reported possibly seeing him walking along County Road 501 in Vallecito Monday afternoon with another boy about the same age. Both had backpacks.

Investigators have not been able to determine who the two boys were that the postal worker saw. Both boys were said to be wearing hoodies and dark backpacks. The sheriff&#8217;s office is asking anyone who may fit that description and who was in that area around 2 p.m. last Monday, to contact La Plata Sheriff&#8217;s Investigator Tonya Golbricht at 970-382-7019. Whoever it may have been is not in trouble. Investigators just want to determine if it was Dylan the postal worker saw or if it was two other boys.

I'm still looking for a article where LE says they ruled out this was Dylan.

 

[thepinkdragon]

So what are the possibilities?

1. Something happened on the way home?
2. Someone picked Dylan up that morning
a. at Dylan's request
b. at MR's request
c. at ER's request
d. at an opportunistic moment

Not a lot here. And the phone issue is major, imo. I think it is totally plausible that the phone went dead and there was some delay in recharging it. BUT... LE said that took an iPod during the search, and while not confirmed, I believe that the iPod belonged to Dylan.

According to the reporter, LE found Dylan's online iPod text/email account and had a look at it, which indicates to me that Dylan could text from his iPod. This puts my hinky meter on RED alert.

Why wouldn't Dylan use that iPod to text his friends Monday morning, if he forgot to charge his phone? I'm having trouble getting past this.

Salem

If someone Dylan knew and trusted showed up randomly shortly after MR left on the premise of just stopping by to say hi because they knew he was in town and then said "oh you need a ride to town? Hop in I'll take you" ; most 13 yr olds I know would hop in and wouldn't think to say ok let me text someone first. IMO that is something an adult would think to do. Also he may have gotten the phone out to text or call someone and had it snatched from his hands while in the vehicle.


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