CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #36

[SCHMAE]

After following the Christopher Dorner case, I'm not even going to believe MSM anymore. During the seige and shoot out, I was hearing one thing on the scanner, and MSM was reporting something entirely different, things that were not true and did not happen. Which is causing a lot of drama now with all the Monday morning quarterbacking.

Even the interruptation of WHAT was said is being completely taken out of context and has been given a new spin. I won't take anything anyone says as gospel on MSM, because they are looking for the "scoop" as well as the sensationalism. IMO, JMO, MOO.

Amen Sister. MSM says whatever the heck they want. No gospel to it anymore.

 

[TxJan1971]

I have no more idea what happened to this young boy than the rest of you. I will say this though. There is a recent high profile disappearance/murder of a teen near where I live. I have followed the case closely, and watched many of the news updates. I would have bet a thousand bucks that one of the parents who was interviewed frequently was GUILTY. I was convinced. The parent seemed oddball, inconsistent, evasive, and so forth. There was much said and speculated about this parent. Fast forward two months...they found the murderer/kidnapper who now sits in jail delaying his plea. The parent had nothing to do with the disappearance. This was a real lesson for me. Things just aren't always what they seem. Good or bad.

Can you tell us the name of the disappeared/murdered teen?

 

[ColdHands]

Amen Sister. MSM says whatever the heck they want. No gospel to it anymore.

Right, and you don't even have to look at the Dorner case to see it. Look at the difference between the edited and uncut interviews MB did! And how every news outfit seems to change the wording of a press release slightly. Makes no sense but I guess they gotta get ther own spin onto things.

 

[ColdHands]

Do do these control/rage/revenge motives also apply to a MR Abducted and Is Hiding Dylan theory?

Also, I've thought a lot about this, because as another poster mentioned, if one of MR's close friends went missing (supposedly taking Dylan underground) that would probably be noted. But what about handing Dylan over to a third party, to be delivered to someone out of state or even out of the country?

One issue has always been lack of understanding what the end game looks like. Would the control/revenge theory work to resolve that?

What has been seen in other cases of parental abduction?

And when MR hid the boys before, did he go with them?

 

[rosesfromangels]

Can you tell us the name of the disappeared/murdered teen?

Well, I didn't want to insult the parent in question by name, but since you asked directly, I am referring to the Sierra Lamar case.

 

[TxJan1971]

Well, I didn't want to insult the parent in question by name, but since you asked directly, I am referring to the Sierra Lamar case.

Thank you!!!!

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Do do these control/rage/revenge motives also apply to a MR Abducted and Is Hiding Dylan theory?

Also, I've thought a lot about this, because as another poster mentioned, if one of MR's close friends went missing (supposedly taking Dylan underground) that would probably be noted. But what about handing Dylan over to a third party, to be delivered to someone out of state or even out of the country?

One issue has always been lack of understanding what the end game looks like. Would the control/revenge theory work to resolve that?

What has been seen in other cases of parental abduction?

And when MR hid the boys before, did he go with them?

I can't see where he would get a whole lot of satisfaction out of hiding Dylan if he can't be with him? But if the motive were just revenge and taking him away from Elaine perhaps so? Also this would require the help of at least one other person and probably more. They only way I can see someone getting involved with something like this is for a large sum of money or perhaps a close family member? I think this is the least likely scenario.

I believe when he hid the kids before he was indeed with them. To me, that alone proves he has control and entitlement issues and he likes to play games. Like who does that sort of thing?

 

[cluciano63]

Do do these control/rage/revenge motives also apply to a MR Abducted and Is Hiding Dylan theory?

Also, I've thought a lot about this, because as another poster mentioned, if one of MR's close friends went missing (supposedly taking Dylan underground) that would probably be noted. But what about handing Dylan over to a third party, to be delivered to someone out of state or even out of the country?

One issue has always been lack of understanding what the end game looks like. Would the control/revenge theory work to resolve that?

What has been seen in other cases of parental abduction?

And when MR hid the boys before, did he go with them?

In other parental abductions the parent is also missing. And yes, I believe that MR was with the boys when he failed to return them.

 

[raine1212]

I know this has probably been answered..Is the search going on today?

 

[cluciano63]

Well, I didn't want to insult the parent in question by name, but since you asked directly, I am referring to the Sierra Lamar case.

A lot of people did not suspect her parents or the mom's boyfriend. Also, LE made a point of saying they were cleared, I believe, before an arrest was made.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well, I didn't want to insult the parent in question by name, but since you asked directly, I am referring to the Sierra Lamar case.

Oh gosh I never felt like her parents or even the Mom's BF were involved. I know there was speculation and lots of comments about family members words and body language etc, but I never saw anything strange. I thought her Father was about as straight forward as they come. Her Mother looked to me to be distraught and possibly even medicated.

To me this case, is nowhere near the same.

 

[cluciano63]

Do do these control/rage/revenge motives also apply to a MR Abducted and Is Hiding Dylan theory?

Also, I've thought a lot about this, because as another poster mentioned, if one of MR's close friends went missing (supposedly taking Dylan underground) that would probably be noted. But what about handing Dylan over to a third party, to be delivered to someone out of state or even out of the country?

One issue has always been lack of understanding what the end game looks like. Would the control/revenge theory work to resolve that?

What has been seen in other cases of parental abduction?

And when MR hid the boys before, did he go with them?

How do you "hand over" a teenager and then take him out of the country? Drug him? You can't tie him and up and put him on a plane. If he "handed Dylan over" to anyone, it had to be by force, IMO, as Dylan is unlikely to have agreed. So did MR drug him, disable him, what? And then, for what? To not be able to see him anymore? Or just to punish ER? Makes no sense. If he would go to this extreme, I think he could kill him.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I know this has probably been answered..Is the search going on today?

Yes Wendy and the dogs are scheduled to arrive in Durango today some time and I believe she said the search will start today.

 

[ColdHands]

I know this has probably been answered..Is the search going on today?

The VP of K-9 Forensics posted on the wall of the K-9 Forensics FB that they think they'll be in Bayfield around 12:30 mountain, which is about 45 minutes from right now. Which is good, because the last post I saw would have put them there around 3. So hopefully they can search today.

 

[azgrandma]

After following the Christopher Dorner case, I'm not even going to believe MSM anymore. During the seige and shoot out, I was hearing one thing on the scanner, and MSM was reporting something entirely different, things that were not true and did not happen. Which is causing a lot of drama now with all the Monday morning quarterbacking.

Even the interruptation of WHAT was said is being completely taken out of context and has been given a new spin. I won't take anything anyone says as gospel on MSM, because they are looking for the "scoop" as well as the sensationalism. IMO, JMO, MOO.

Good point. MSM is comprised of reporters that want to do the interview and I have seen/heard many times when they ask a question that was just answered. Sometimes I watch the news and :banghead: because of the questions that are asked, are you for real, did you seriously just ask that? type of questions.

There is also the difference between hearing someone and listening to someone. A reporter has a list of questions and just goes down the line, not really paying any attention to what the answer is.

I had a chuckle with Dorner when they had pictures of two animated women tied up on the floor, at first they were house cleaners, then it was a husband and wife. Mightly femine looking husband according to the animation.

All JMO.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Oh gosh I never felt like her parents or even the Mom's BF were involved. I know there was speculation and lots of comments about family members words and body language etc, but I never saw anything strange. I thought her Father was about as straight forward as they come. Her Mother looked to me to be distraught and possibly even medicated.

To me this case, is nowhere near the same.

Completely agree. Never suspected the parents/mom's boyfriend at all and the elements in that case were entirely different than this case.

I know there are many "voices" in the public realm that like to point fingers and say negative things, but I would hope that on a site such as this one, (and many other criminal analysis sites) that people have a better informed grasp on these situations. I do realize that some participants just don't see eye to eye with what others see, but hopefully we are all here to learn and become educated. Things may not be what they appear to be or what we want them to be, but the reality is, we cannot change the truth. It is what it is. JMO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

How do you "hand over" a teenager and then take him out of the country? Drug him? You can't tie him and up and put him on a plane. If he "handed Dylan over" to anyone, it had to be by force, IMO, as Dylan is unlikely to have agreed. So did MR drug him, disable him, what? And then, for what? To not be able to see him anymore? Or just to punish ER? Makes no sense. If he would go to this extreme, I think he could kill him.

ITA

I'm still having a really hard time with the thought of premeditated even if he did do 'it'. But the more things unfold the more this is becoming a possibility in my mind. And it's just so incredibly hard to think about.

IF MR did harm Dylan I would hope to God it was not out of revenge. I know it happens, but it's beyond my scope of imagination right now. I just can't fathom...I was so deeply disturbed by what Josh Powell did. How could any parent be this deranged?

MOO

 

[ColdHands]

Just found this publication from the Department of Justice on family abduction. Still reading, but thought I'd share.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/ojjdp/229933.pdf

 

[Eileen730]

How do you "hand over" a teenager and then take him out of the country? Drug him? You can't tie him and up and put him on a plane. If he "handed Dylan over" to anyone, it had to be by force, IMO, as Dylan is unlikely to have agreed. So did MR drug him, disable him, what? And then, for what? To not be able to see him anymore? Or just to punish ER? Makes no sense. If he would go to this extreme, I think he could kill him.

Hey KId I have this great fishing trip planned your going to go ahead with so N so and ill follow have a few things to take care of with my lawyer! Poof!

 

[rosesfromangels]

Do do these control/rage/revenge motives also apply to a MR Abducted and Is Hiding Dylan theory?

Also, I've thought a lot about this, because as another poster mentioned, if one of MR's close friends went missing (supposedly taking Dylan underground) that would probably be noted. But what about handing Dylan over to a third party, to be delivered to someone out of state or even out of the country?

One issue has always been lack of understanding what the end game looks like. Would the control/revenge theory work to resolve that?

What has been seen in other cases of parental abduction?

And when MR hid the boys before, did he go with them?

This sounds very similar in theory to the Kyron Horman disappearance where his step mother, Terri Horman, (while never named a suspect), certainly is in the spotlight of suspicion. It has been reported that Terri Horman was livid because of issues with her husband over her own biological teen son who was sent back to live with his bio father. Many speculate that Kyron's vanishing is a result of her rage, control, and power issues. It's been further speculated that he might have been handed off to a third party, similar to the theory you are suggesting for Dylan.
My heart just breaks for these kids, wherever there are. I'm sure that both parents have had some time to reflect on the part they have played leading up to this horrible drama, and most likely have some strong regrets. Who knows, maybe there will be a miracle outcome in this case. You never know, I hope so.