CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[sarx]

Hello and thanks in advance!

Would a private organization such as the one that is working with the parents here, with HRD dogs and a tracking dog, work without first interacting with LE? There has been speculation about LE's involvement in the search for Dylan that started today.

Good question, unfortunately there isn't a black and white answer on this one. Some organizations will only work with LE (like LE must be directly involved), some will only work with the blessing of LE (meaning LE says "sure, do whatever you want") and some just go out and do whatever they want and don't care about interacting with LE. Often their website will tell you where they stand in regards to LE. There are also some people who aren't really a part of anything reputable who insert themselves into cases and well, that's a whole other can of worms.

Hit the button to fast...
A whole lot of us feel that it is very important to have good working relationships with LE. You never know when you're going to end up back in that county again, so playing nice is not only good for the current search you are on, but for ones that might happen in the future. And when y'all work together you really can accomplish a lot.

 

[Tennlyn]

I would expect a child to be more cautious around a controlling, manipulative, unpredictable parent ... not more rebellious. By the age of 13, the child should know that it's a lost cause to go up against a manipulative, controlling parent.

Guess I'll have to agree to disagree on that one!

 

[findDylan]

Don't eat yellow snow :great:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I have to keep telling my almost 6 year old not to eat any snow (which is maybe 2 inches a year). He thinks it's fine as long as its the top stuff. Lol

 

[otto]

He had not had much contact with his father from age 10 until 13. He had just recently begun visitation again. And there were a bunch of family squabbles concerning moms remarriage surrounding them.

If Dylan knew all about the problems between the parents ... that is truly unfortunate. Do you think that his dad was filling his head with all the problems?

 

[NC Analyzer]

It is a 15 mile detour to go to Bayfield. 9 PM is also too late in my opinion for a 13 to visit friends.

According to dad, they got home approx 8-8:30 pm Sunday evening. So an extra 15 minutes is just too late? For a kid Dylan's age? And it wasn't a school night! :floorlaugh:

and dad said Dylan was still up "texting" his friends or whatever at 10:30 pm when he, himself "ran upstairs to bed" leaving Dylan to stay up as late as he pleased. Hmmmm Lot of excuses for daddy <modsnip>, IMO

 

[Flutterflies]

Oh no! I forgot to warn him about stray dogs!!! :floorlaugh:

Add in don't fall asleep while driving. :banghead:

I know a teenage boy who did this.

Teenagers have risky behavior.

 

[Kamille]

Information he received from the boy's friends suggests that Dylan was hitchhiking when he disappeared, Redwine said.
"It sounds to me like he's not even in the area," he said.
He said he is concerned that a stranger could have picked up the teen and abducted him.

Read more:Search for missing 13-year-old continues in La Plata County - The Denver Posthttp://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22063185/sunday-search-launched-missing-boy-laplata-county#ixzz2LIdRmr2k
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His childhood friends from Bayfield, which is just over 20 miles from the area where Dylan's father lives, suggested an alternative theory that police are also looking into. They believe that Dylan may have tried hitchhiking to go see them in his old hometown, during which he was abducted.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nged-fathers-Colorado-home.html#ixzz2LIjtRYRX
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The boys said Dylan wasn’t shy about hitching rides.

“Honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away,” he said.

Wesley agreed.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121124/NEWS01/121129756/-1/s


Similarly, while some of Dylan's Bayfield friends suggested he might hitchhike down from Vallecito to Bayfield for a scheduled visit with them, Elaine Redwine said she and Dylan had talked about being safe, including not hitchhiking.

“It would be uncharacteristic of Dylan to do that,” she said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/articl...APW/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time--


One time during a snowstorm, Dylan was the one to stick out his thumb and hitch the boys a ride home from the library.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy’s-life--

How does the reporter make the phrase "the boys said he wasn't shy about hitching" out of the quote "honestly, I think he was walking into Bayfield and got taken away?"

I've said before that I'm sure teenage boys would come up with all kinds of crazy ideas when trying to help find a friend. The one thing I doubt you're ever going to hear from them is " I think his father did something to him".

They knew of one incident where Dylan decided to hitch to get them all a ride in a snowstorm. I think the reporter was taking some liberties there. And I think MR was grabbing on to those crazy stories like a lifeline.

MOO

 

[cluciano63]

Add in don't fall asleep while driving. :banghead:

I know a teenage boy who did this.

Teenagers have risky behavior.

They are inherently lazy, if we want to generalize. Why bother try to hitch a ride in the cold, when you have a ride coming? And you have cereal and a TV?

 

[Chili Fries]

It is a 15 mile detour to go to Bayfield. 9 PM is also too late in my opinion for a 13 to visit friends.

Since they left McDonald's at about 7:30, they could have gotten to Bayfield at 8, and too late or too early doesn't seem to be an issue anyway since, at least Sunday night, Dylan was planning to be in Bayfield at the crack of dawn the next morning.

 

[Seajay]

I agree that the friends are more important to teenagers, but if he hadn't seen his dad for a while and this was a special trip to see him, then I would expect that he would understand that he had to spend at least a little time with his dad before he took off to be with friends.

Even my grown kids understand this. When my son was out of state in college, I'd fly him home for the holidays, he understood that he was coming home to spend time with US. His friends were the extras. He still found time for them, but his first priority for the visit was to come home to us. IMO

 

[NC Analyzer]

Did anyone try the house phone?

Funny thing about that house phone....

We've had suggestions that he didn't know how to use a land line phone.
He didn't know his friend's, dad, mom, brother, or any other person's number.
Maybe that phone was out of service.

But nothing indicating any of the above was remotely accurate, IMO

 

[mck16]

If Dylan knew all about the problems between the parents ... that is truly unfortunate. Do you think that his dad was filling his head with all the problems?

I do not. MR has said nothing negative during this whole ordeal in reference to his x wife. They have been divorced since either 2006 or 2008 not sure, but it has been a while. And until August last year they also lived in the area. I don't know if you have watched the interviews by ER and MR. I think you would find those interesting. jmo

 

[otto]

Since they left McDonald's at about 7:30, they could have gotten to Bayfield at 8, and too late or too early doesn't seem to be an issue anyway since, at least Sunday night, Dylan was planning to be in Bayfield at the crack of dawn the next morning.

If it takes 45 minutes to travel from Vallecito to Bayfield, which is about 15 miles, then how could it take 30 minutes to travel 18 miles from Durango to Bayfield?

 

[Confusion]

He had not had much contact with his father from age 10 until 13. He had just recently begun visitation again. And there were a bunch of family squabbles concerning moms remarriage surrounding them.

Do you have any links for the info about squabbles concerning her marriage? I missed that. I know her best friend (the admin from the official FB page) said that there were no problems about custody/visitation until he went to court to get his parenting time after she went to court to receive primary parenting time. MOO

 

[cattlekate]

I think even if Mark did it, he may not have done what we suspect he did. (how's that for a convoluted sentence?!!) Since he has a history of disappearing his children, and then giving them back, it's possible, he may have somehow, some way, hidden Dylan somewhere.

Dylan may be seen by someone who would have never known about him if it were not for this show. So yes, I think it's very important.

And if...the worst has happened, then the world, (or at least the part of the world that watches Dr. Phil) can be a witness for this lost child. Sometimes the only thing we can do is witness, and acknowledge a wrong.

My husband asks me why I watch true crime shows, and read true crime books. The answer is that the study of human behaviour is fascinating to me, and also I feel that in witnessing, I am, in my own way, acknowledging their lives, and advocating for them in some small way.

I love this post! I never thought of myself as a witness - just an observer. I've always read Ann Rule's true crime stories because weird things happened when I lived in the Pacific North West and in the Interior West - and then Ann wrote about Ted Bundy - an unfathomable sociopath. So we do bear witness to all of the people who do unfathomable things and their poor victims. And try to prevent it from happening in the future. Never thought of it in a witnessing way. Thank you mmmagique.

 

[sarx]

thank you sarx! Yes, I was wondering if you could give insight on how an independent SAR search is run/works.

The SAR group will be searching for two weeks.

Thanks again, sarx!~

Ideally, when an independent SAR group is working a case, they have established good communication with LE.
After that they should be running a search like any other LE org would be, with the same management system, a nice paper trail and properly trained people.
They should be making copies of all their ppwk and handing it over to LE (clue logs, search areas, etc). They should also be calling in/notifying LE immediately of anything that could be pertinent to the case. Under no circumstances should they be touching, bagging or collecting any potential evidence. Flag, photo and call in or make note of.
Even if it is the family that calls a team in, LE should be the first notified of anything important.

 

[ShyViolet]

As far as what his friends would say...teen boys are probably more likely to jump to the goriest and most exciting conclusions, if asked. Kidnapped, abducted, hitching, all those scary things they are warned about their entire lives. It does not hold weight with me.

Considering that most recently those same friends said on video that they only saw Dylan hitch ONCE and that was when they were all together in a group, I would agree. 13 year olds, and boys in particular, tend to do things with peers that they would never consider doing alone. moo

 

[Tennlyn]

I do not. MR has said nothing negative during this whole ordeal in reference to his x wife. They have been divorced since either 2006 or 2008 not sure, but it has been a while. And until August last year they also lived in the area. I don't know if you have watched the interviews by ER and MR. I think you would find those interesting. jmo

Umm...wasn't it in one of the first interviews that MR said, "My problem is my ex-wife". Funny, your young son is missing, but your problem is your ex-wife. :what:

And I'm not even going to try to list all the other things he said about Elaine.

 

[The Cheese]

Just got in from being off the grid for a few days and saw your message. I will work on catching up now. In the meantime, if there are specific questions post them and I will do my best to answer in a timely fashion!

Thank you, sarx. Could you please speak to cadaver dog searches in snow? They will be there for 2 weeks. What if it snows? (I don't know if there's snow on the ground already. I would have to check.)

Also, they brought at least one tracking dog on this search. Could you speak to the chances of tracking live scent after about 3 months?

Thank you again.

 

[Seajay]

I have a question Sarx. Is it hard to work with LE because of egos??? In that I mean, does LE act territorial about their cases that SAR is brought into, do they feel threatened that they are losing a handle on the case by allowing "outsiders" to come in on it? Is that a usual reason why LE would not give their blessing to an organized SAR group coming in?? TIA.