CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #37

[ColdHands]

Yes certainly. I posted the statistics earlier. If you have different ones, I'd be very interested in seeing them.

This document has statistics and other info about the disposal of children's bodies. There is a section on body disposal.

Research Findings Report - Case Management for Missing Children Homicide Investigation - https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/pr/201316.pdf

It feels terrible to type that. Rest in peace, sweet ones.

Here is the article The Cheese posted earlier. It focuses on a subset of child murders - those where the child is abducted or suspected to have been abducted. Interestingly, when compared to murders of children as a whole the stats are quite a bit different.

For instance, page 24 of the PDF shows a table that breaks male child abduction murders down by age band and relationship to the killer. Boys 13-15 were killed by strangers 60% of the time, by friend or acquaintance 40% of the time and 0% of the time by a family member. Remember, this study is specific to children that were reported as abducted or suspected abducted, not all murders in general.

Really worth a read.

 

[TxJan1971]

Melissa Blasius interview with ER:

Melissa Blasius:
Umm…You know we were talking…, there’s those pictures from the airport and from Wal-Mart, right, where he’s in that outfit with the, what is it, Blue Devil’s hat, and the tee shirt and … do you think when he went missing he was probably still wearing that?

ER:
Yes. I do. Dylan didn’t change his clothes often. He was 13 and you know he was just learning about …his brother was teaching him about deodorant and things like that (both giggle), I mean, so he wasn’t all that worried about what he was wearing or… he always thought he looked fine. (both giggle)

 

[katydid23]

I am not blaming anyone for anything. I am trying to understand whether Dylan was making his own decisions about a lot of things in his life ... and it sounds like he was.

If his dad decided that it was too late to go for a sleepover, then so be it. If Dylan was a good, happy, well adjusted child, why would he have a problem doing what he was told?

Was Dylan normally a rebellious child that fought with authority, or was he a well adjusted happy child that accepted parental decisions? Was he supposedly only rebellious around his father and, if so, what made him think that he didn't have to respect his father's rules?

Was Dylan a well adjusted happy child, or was he a rebellious child that would become confrontational with his father if his father said that it was too late to visit friends? I'm reading that this well adjusted happy child was rebellious and angry at his father because he couldn't do what he wanted ... that doesn't make sense.

And rightly so. If he's there to visit his dad, he should have made that the priority. To go to his dad's house so that he can be closer to friends and to think that he's going to use his dad to get closer to his friends is not acceptable.

Why would a well behaved, respectful child treat his dad like that ... like a ride from the airport, a place to sleep one night and a stop off on the way to friends?

So was Dylan a bit spoiled, or was Dylan dealing with a controlling, manipulative, nasty father?

Any child that gets dressed for school and then goes to bed is not just getting ready for school on time ... something is wrong if a child is getting dressed for school before going to bed at night.

Hmmmmm ... that doesn't sound good to me. Either no one ensured that he cleaned up and packed properly, or he was willful and didn't listen to anyone ... but I do not consider that to be normal.

 

[otto]

I agree and I don't think that is normal either. It sounds like MR fell short in his parental duties and failed to make sure that Dylan got a shower, brushed his teeth, that sort of thing, before calling it a night.

Salem

My experience is that teenage boys, at about the age of 12 or 13, need a big extra reminder every day about hygiene ... and eventually it sinks in.

I'm just listening to the dad's interview and he says that Dylan was known to be a hitch hiker - but that dad didn't know this before the visit.

 

[otto]

and that could be fixed how?

by plugging the charger into the phone and the wall outlet.

he had his charger with him.

and I bet his phone worked while it was charging...just saying

He was 13, maybe his priorities were to get to Bayfield. It's hard to say, but looking at the father during the interview ... he sure doesn't come off as a murderer.

 

[Salem]

It seems to me that all the questions about texting can be answered with a dead battery.

Maybe the texts. Maybe. But LE took an iPod during the search. And there was a landline.

Dylan lived in Bayfield for several years. This is a very rural area with spotty cell coverage. Dylan had been to his dad's house in Vallecito before. Dylan was only 13. So... imo... Dylan knew well how to use the landline and he probably had his friend's numbers memorized.

My understanding from what is known, is that Dylan didn't have his cell phone for all that long? It seems he got it about the time they moved to Colorado Springs? I'm not sure exactly, but I thought ER said something about that?

If that is the case, that pretty much means Dylan used a landline to call his friends until approximately the age of 12. So... knowing a few kids around Dylan's age, I think it is plausible and probable that Dylan knew at least one or two phone number by memory.

So... in my opinion.... there are some definite questions about why Dylan didn't reach out and contact someone, one way or the other.

Salem

 

[otto]

If his dad decided that it was too late to go for a sleepover, then so be it. If Dylan was a good, happy, well adjusted child, why would he have a problem doing what he was told?

Was Dylan normally a rebellious child that fought with authority, or was he a well adjusted happy child that accepted parental decisions? Was he supposedly only rebellious around his father and, if so, what made him think that he didn't have to respect his father's rules?

Was Dylan a well adjusted happy child, or was he a rebellious child that would become confrontational with his father if his father said that it was too late to visit friends? I'm reading that this well adjusted happy child was rebellious and angry at his father because he couldn't do what he wanted ... that doesn't make sense.

And rightly so. If he's there to visit his dad, he should have made that the priority. To go to his dad's house so that he can be closer to friends and to think that he's going to use his dad to get closer to his friends is not acceptable.

Why would a well behaved, respectful child treat his dad like that ... like a ride from the airport, a place to sleep one night and a stop off on the way to friends?

So was Dylan a bit spoiled, or was Dylan dealing with a controlling, manipulative, nasty father?

Any child that gets dressed for school and then goes to bed is not just getting ready for school on time ... something is wrong if a child is getting dressed for school before going to bed at night.

Hmmmmm ... that doesn't sound good to me. Either no one ensured that he cleaned up and packed properly, or he was willful and didn't listen to anyone ... but I do not consider that to be normal.

Those comments look a bit out of context.

 

[cluciano63]

Poor unlucky Dylan, indeed, if he awoke to an empty house, his phone did not work, he is too befuddled or backward to think about using a landline in some way, so he steps outdoors and is captured by a murderous predator before anyone can set eyes on him.

 

[jjenny]

I think DR asked R if he could come early because he was riding with his dad. I am sure MR said he would take him but it would have to be early. When the time came Monday morning I think DR decided he wanted to sleep in and the early arrival at R's was not that important anymore. :twocents: jmo

Even MR keeps on repeating how important Dylan's friends were to him. So I find it hard to believe that Dylan decided it was not important to meet with his friend.

 

[jjenny]

Poor unlucky Dylan, indeed, if he awoke to an empty house, his phone did not work, he is too befuddled or backward to think about using a landline in some way, so he steps outdoors and is captured by a murderous predator before anyone can set eyes on him.

And one lucky predator, to get a boy just when his cell phone broke.

 

[katydid23]

Those comments look a bit out of context.

I didn't snip anything but the questions. I don't know how to multi quote, but ALL of each reply is there.

I was just trying to show that there does seems to be a tendency to be blaming D here.

 

[Salem]

My experience is that teenage boys, at about the age of 12 or 13, need a big extra reminder every day about hygiene ... and eventually it sinks in.

I'm just listening to the dad's interview and he says that Dylan was known to be a hitch hiker - but that dad didn't know this before the visit.

I don't think Dylan was afraid to hitchhike. He seems to be a bit of a dare devil. His friends didn't think he would be shy about catching a ride and I believe them. It is a small rural area. Dylan grew up there and it appears he knew quite a few people. He may have felt comfortable hitchiking because he felt like he knew just about everybody.

So, imo, I think this is a possibility.

I think there are 3 or 4 possibilities on the table, that can't be just pushed aside.

Salem

 

[katydid23]

He was 13, maybe his priorities were to get to Bayfield. It's hard to say, but looking at the father during the interview ... he sure doesn't come off as a murderer.

I don't think anyone considers him a murderer.

 

[mck16]

Even MR keeps on repeating how important Dylan's friends were to him. So I find it hard to believe that Dylan decided it was not important to meet with his friend.

I did not say it was not important for him to meet with his friends. I said the early arrival was not that important anymore. There is a difference. See below exactly what I said. jmo

the early arrival at R's was not that important anymore

 

[katydid23]

He was 13, maybe his priorities were to get to Bayfield. It's hard to say, but looking at the father during the interview ... he sure doesn't come off as a murderer.

If his priority was to get to Bayfield, why didn't he reply to his friends texts from Bayfield?

 

[otto]

Maybe the texts. Maybe. But LE took an iPod during the search. And there was a landline.

Dylan lived in Bayfield for several years. This is a very rural area with spotty cell coverage. Dylan had been to his dad's house in Vallecito before. Dylan was only 13. So... imo... Dylan knew well how to use the landline and he probably had his friend's numbers memorized.

My understanding from what is known, is that Dylan didn't have his cell phone for all that long? It seems he got it about the time they moved to Colorado Springs? I'm not sure exactly, but I thought ER said something about that?

If that is the case, that pretty much means Dylan used a landline to call his friends until approximately the age of 12. So... knowing a few kids around Dylan's age, I think it is plausible and probable that Dylan knew at least one or two phone number by memory.

So... in my opinion.... there are some definite questions about why Dylan didn't reach out and contact someone, one way or the other.

Salem

Was it an ipod touch, or a regular ipod? It's always described as an ipod, so I'm left wondering if it had internet.

There are questions about why Dylan didn't text his friend in the morning, but the alternative is that his father murdered him the night before and I just don't see any reason for that.

Between call display on land lines and cell phones, I think that very few teenagers today actually memorize phone numbers. Dylan could have plugged in his phone and texted or made a call, but maybe he was in a hurry because he was late for his 6:30 AM appointment.

 

[Allusonz]

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[Salem]

Guys - if you think a post is violating TOS - alert it and move on. If you insist on replying, please remember that I still have Kimster's ray gun.

Salem

 

[otto]

If his priority was to get to Bayfield, why didn't he reply to his friends texts from Bayfield?

He never got there, but that doesn't mean that he didn't try.

 

[Salem]

Was it an ipod touch, or a regular ipod? It's always described as an ipod, so I'm left wondering if it had internet.

There are questions about why Dylan didn't text his friend in the morning, but the alternative is that his father murdered him the night before and I just don't see any reason for that.

Between call display on land lines and cell phones, I think that very few teenagers today actually memorize phone numbers. Dylan could have plugged in his phone and texted or made a call, but maybe he was in a hurry because he was late for his 6:30 AM appointment.

I don't know if we have confirmation of what kind of iPod it was, but the report, Melissa B, reported that LE stated they had reviewed Dylan's iPod email account as well as his gaming accounts.

So... I am inferring that it was an iPod touch.

Salem