CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[SCHMAE]

When I read ER's statement, I took it as her saying it was an indication that D did not go hiking or fishing or hitchhiking that morning---not necessarily evidence that he never made it to the house.

Her statement was seemingly in response to a comment about the rumor that his scent was picked up down the road from his dad's house. And she said that they walked all around the area looking for his footprints. JMO

This just gave me a thought. If they were looking for DR's footprints outside and never found any, but expected to, then did they also NOT find footprints of any one else? If someone walked to the door , grabbed DR , then they would now be at least a big person and the added weight of carrying a 'probably ' struggling fairly good size kid, so wouldn't that person have left foot prints somewhere? You'd think their feet would be really dug into the dirt or gravel under that much weight and stress. No way for them to walk gingerly even if they walked gingerly to the door. Hmmmm, but what does that mean if so? DR must have made it as far as the road ?

 

[mmmagique]

Uhhhh. Maybe you misunderstood. The NIGHT ER got there (around midnight from C. Springs) ... LE and LPSAR were out looking with bloodhounds up and down CR 500 Monday night and into Tuesday.
http://www.laplatasar.org/www/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=21&Itemid=46

ER couldn't have seen any footprints anywhere when she got there after/around midnight. IMO. I cannot believe ER would say such a thing. Sounds like one of her "friends" made something up. IMO.

Here's the video from the search of MR home: Watch. Show me where there is any "dirt/soil/sand" along the PAVED road?

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121129/NEWS01/121129570

I've been there twice/looked there/there is no dirt that would hold a footprint, etc. IMO.

Why couldn't someone take a flashlight and look for footprints? I would think you could look for footprints (or a lost child) any time, day or night, with the proper equipment.

What in the world would make you think (or accuse) a "friend" of ER's of making stuff up? Do you have any evidence of this? (proof?)

I also find it impossible to believe that there is absolutely no area in/around MR's home that is not conducive to footprints. I'm trying to think of a place like that...and the only things I can come up with are parking lots and amusement parks.

 

[ColdHands]

This just gave me a thought. If they were looking for DR's footprints outside and never found any, but expected to, then did they also NOT find footprints of any one else? If someone walked to the door , grabbed DR , then they would now be at least a big person and the added weight of carrying a 'probably ' struggling fairly good size kid, so wouldn't that person have left foot prints somewhere? You'd think their feet would be really dug into the dirt or gravel under that much weight and stress. No way for them to walk gingerly even if they walked gingerly to the door. Hmmmm, but what does that mean if so? DR must have made it as far as the road ?

I agree. I think if Dylan was taken while outside, he was somewhere on the road, probably down the road. IMO

I think that not treating the house as a possible crime scene means external evidence around the house was probably lost.

 

[SCHMAE]

I agree. I think if Dylan was taken while outside, he was somewhere on the road, probably down the road. IMO

I think that not treating the house as a possible crime scene means external evidence around the house was probably lost.

Like 10 days worth of wind, rain, sleet , snow and imagine just MR and LE's own foot prints going in and out of the house for 10 days.

 

[FruitTingles]

Being without a tv, I won't either.

Being in Aus I won't either!

 

[azgrandma]

Yet they had supporters there, according to what the FMDR stated.

Is it a good or bad thing that supporters were there?

 

[azgrandma]

The only people I see pointing the finger, and in fact stating information we know is inaccurate is from ER and her group.

It is not comming from LE.

Can you please provide a link with inaccurate information provided by ER? TIA

 

[aust amateur slueth]

I've been trying to catch up for days, finally I'm on the same page. well for all of 5 minutes anyway, by the time I get online tomorrow there will probably be a whole thread or me read up on.

I look forward to seeing the Dr Phil show, that sounds like it should be interesting

 

[SCHMAE]

In case some of you have not heard, Mods will open a parking lot thread during the show and after so we can discuss it while we watch live and after wards ( i believe ) we can discuss dr phils FB comments on it too ! And I've recruited 2 people to watch the show who know nothing about the case to give me new opinions !

errr. Not DR PHIL's own comments, but those of his viewers who have probably not heard of Dylan before.

 

[Ransom]

Why couldn't someone take a flashlight and look for footprints? I would think you could look for footprints (or a lost child) any time, day or night, with the proper equipment.

What in the world would make you think (or accuse) a "friend" of ER's of making stuff up? Do you have any evidence of this? (proof?)

I also find it impossible to believe that there is absolutely no area in/around MR's home that is not conducive to footprints. I'm trying to think of a place like that...and the only things I can come up with are parking lots and amusement parks.

Of course she could have a spot light or a flashlight and look, BUT by the time she got there you had LE there (and their cars/parking) + La Plata SAR and their dogs (and their cars/parking). All those people and dogs were walking all over that area first. All that activity messes up any footprint in and around MR house and street. Further down 500 towards the lake has many areas with outcroppings of sandy/loamy soil which would hold footprints well, IMO. The lake area is really sandy in many, many long stretches of land.

I put "friends" in quotes for a reason. Most don't live in La Plata Co nor know the area thus why first it was said MR lived on a dirt (unpaved) road. Things get blown up and misunderstood on FB and that's why WS considers it rumor per TOS. IMO, the whole "footprint" thing got blown out of proportion/misconstrued, IMO and JMO.

 

[Ransom]

In case some of you have not heard, Mods will open a parking lot thread during the show and after so we can discuss it while we watch live and after wards ( i believe ) we can discuss dr phils FB comments on it too ! And I've recruited 2 people to watch the show who know nothing about the case to give me new opinions !

errr. Not DR PHIL's own comments, but those of his viewers who have probably not heard of Dylan before.

I hope we can find someone to upload it to Youtube for our posters that don't have TV or live in other countries.

 

[SuperMom1995]

This is a good hypothetical! Really good, actually.

Personally? I'd not be changing my opinion that there are clear and apparent indicators that Mark Redwine had motive, means and opportunity and ought to be up top of the suspect list.

But I appreciate the pause your hypothetical gave me, as to how Elaine's opinions might colour my own.

I'm happy to say: "not a lot". MR alone is the cause of my hoping he's not off LE radar for Dylan's disappearance.

Speaking of hypotheticals, does anyone remember who the poster was in the beginning threads here, that gave a VERY DETAILED hypothetical scenario asking if someone was involved in Dylan's disappearance, and tried but not convicted, and then new information comes out later implicating them in a different crime, but one still related to Dylan's disappearance, can they be charged and retried on the same case?

 

[SCHMAE]

I hope we can find someone to upload it to Youtube for our posters that don't have TV or live in other countries.

I'm going to ask 2 friends in UK today to see if they can view Dr Phils show from yesterday . If so I'll keep a link to that spot!

 

[*Lash*]

I wouldn't call that "fair".....I mean, MR was the last known person to be with Dylan and the others were all hundreds of miles away...weren't they?

MR's account of events is questionable in many ways. And even he admitted his polygraph was inconclusive.

Hi MrsPC!

BBM - This is the first I have heard that MR himself admitted his polygraph was inconclusive. I have heard it from others but not MR. I am surprised I missed this. Could you help me find a link for this statement? TIA

 

[Ronald99]

After visiting the FMDR FB page, a poster that claimed to be in the audience yesterday, Their comment has caused tears in my eyes concerning Dylan.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Speaking of hypotheticals, does anyone remember who the poster was in the beginning threads here, that gave a VERY DETAILED hypothetical scenario asking if someone was involved in Dylan's disappearance, and tried but not convicted, and then new information comes out later implicating them in a different crime, but one still related to Dylan's disappearance, can they be charged and retried on the same case?

I don't remember that post. If this hypothetical person is found to have committed a different crime they could be charged and tried for that crime as it would not be the same crime that they where acquitted.

 

[SuperMom1995]

I am looking around the house in that video, and the area down the street that the camera got. There is gravel in the driveway (could be decomposed granite), dirt in the front yard, leaves and dead grass, each of which could show foot prints or foot paths. Yes, the road is paved, but the grass, dirt and leaves on the side of the road are not paved and (at least when I was taught tracking) usually show evidence of someone walking on them (grass is crushed, leaf piles disturbed in a certain way, scuffs on the dirt, etc). Was there nowhere from the front door of the house, continuing down the road, where someone would walk on the grass, or dirt or leaves? It looked like there was, but with all the equipment, it is hard to tell.

Speaking of inside the house, the only thing that makes me think that Dylan made it to his house, possibly unconscious, is the fact that he has changed the furniture around and I am speculating that he did that so that he is not constantly envisioning the scene over and over again when he is at home. JMO, IMOO

 

[SuperMom1995]

I have never heard him say he passed?

I do not have the link but I do believe he came out and said he took one and the results were inconclusive.

 

[SuperMom1995]

I keep hoping they will find something but I'm starting to think its highly doubtful

I don't even know where she would start if they can't find a scent at the house .

They could then start at Walmart and go the route they took to McDonalds and then the route they took from McDonalds to MRs house.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I do not have the link but I do believe he came out and said he took one and the results were inconclusive.

I looked and can't find anything in MSM where Mark say's that he took a LDT and it was inconclusive.