CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #38

[Allusonz]

I haven't posted on this case, but I have followed it as much as I could (so many pages of new posts that I just couldn't keep up) so I apologize in advance if this has been proposed as a theory. What if some type of argument ensued between Dylan and MR about Dylan wanting to see his friends that Sunday night between McD's and MR's home, and either Dylan said something along the lines of "I'll just walk there then" or MR said something along the lines of "If you think you can get there right now then go" and Dylan got out of the car and started off in what he thought was the direction of his friend's house? Just pure speculation, but it may account for MR's change of tenses from that night and the next morning? In this scenario, MR is responsible in a sense for the circumstances, but he truly does not know what happened to him or where he is.

Again, just a possible theory...

Hello Stash. All of them have been using present and past tense.

I just feel that at some point we have to acknowledge that LE continues to state that MR is cooperating still.

Then I go down a mental checklist.

Usually when a case starts there is one thing I look for and that is whether there is co-operation with LE.

Were searches allowed? Yes

Were interviews givien willingly? Yes

Is LE stating they are co-operating? Yes

Did they do a polygraph? Yes

Was a formal interview done? Yes in this case with MR without a lawyer by the task force.

Were they allowed on searches? Yes and No. At the beginning I don't believe LE was letting MR, but he was participating in the large search.

Did he do interviews? In the beginning No. Lately, Yes. Was that because LE was looking at him closely in the beginning, or that he simply refused? I don't know.

Has LE cleared any of them? No

Has LE named any POI or suspects? No

The list goes on.


I think at some point, the family has to recognize what he has done versus what they believe personally.

I truly cannot recall the last person that did a formal interview, with a task force, without a lawyer. Maybe some others can help me out with that one.

 

[Stash777]

its possible but highly unlikely IMO, if MR is concerned about his sons disappearance then why lie about it for over three months?

Thanks for your input Stash. I'm not sure if I totally agree with your premise but all opinions are welcome here.

Just trying to throw something out there. I would think if this were the case, and it was found out, that it would be considered negligence in the least. MR may be concerned about Dylan but may not want to admit he had a role in it...if that makes sense?

I'm also wondering if there were any searches that took place in any areas between McD's and MR's home?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Hello Stash. All of them have been using present and past tense.

I just feel that at some point we have to acknowledge that LE continues to state that MR is cooperating still.

Then I go down a mental checklist.

Usually when a case starts there is one thing I look for and that is whether there is co-operation with LE.

Were searches allowed? Yes

Were interviews giving willingly? Yes

Is LE stating they are co-operating? Yes

Did they do a polygraph? Yes

Was a formal interview done? Yes in this case with MR without a lawyer by the task force.

Were they allowed on searches? Yes and No. At the beginning I don't believe LE was letting MR, but he was participating in the large search.

Did he do interviews? In the beginning No. Lately, Yes. Was that because LE was looking at him closely in the beginning, or that he simply refused? I don't know.

Has LE cleared any of them? No

Has LE named any POI or suspects? No

The list goes on.


I think at some point, the family has to recognize what he has done versus what they believe personally.

I truly cannot recall the last person that did a formal interview, with a task force, without a lawyer. Maybe some others can help me out with that one.

Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin subjected themselves to multiple LE interrogations over multiple hours without a lawyer. That's the only case that I know of that fits.

ETA: But I agree that it's a rare occurrence.

 

[Allusonz]

Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin subjected themselves to multiple LE interrogations over multiple hours without a lawyer. That's the only case that I know of that fits.

ETA: But I agree that it's a rare occurrence.

LE did state that there were other interviews with MR, just not the "moment by moment" one.

LE as well interviewed the children 2 times in the Irwin case. Forgot about them.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Just trying to throw something out there. I would think if this were the case, and it was found out, that it would be considered negligence in the least. MR may be concerned about Dylan but may not want to admit he had a role in it...if that makes sense?

I'm also wondering if there were any searches that took place in any areas between McD's and MR's home?

He can't be too concerned if protecting himself is more important than finding his son. It makes no sense to mislead the investigation and risk his childs life.

IIRC the big search was between those two points

 

[Confusion]

There's a difference between being passionate and what my grandmother would refer to as "acting ugly."

Totally my opinion.

No doubt about it. I was just trying to think of something positive to say.

 

[Allusonz]

Hopefully tomorrow brings some answers.

G'Nite all

 

[cluciano63]

I SO wish LE could clear MR, as it would be much easier to focus on what may have happened to Dylan. The options would be more limited, if he is telling 100% truth.

But if they can't, or won't publicly clear him, I can't ignore it. They have said the barest minimum in his favor, i.e we are not naming him a suspect, etc.

I know it is almost impossible for his story to be verified, as it would be for most of us. But the fact remains, it apparently cannot be verified, at least until sometime later on Monday. So, like many others before him, he remains under scrutiny by many.

Since he cannot seem to be cleared, I really fear this case has reached the point where nothing short of a confession by someone else will solve this case. And that seems unlikely, IMO. It is very scary and sad to me. I guess I have followed too many cases, as I can't seem to find any reason to be optimistic that Dylan's case will be any different from all of the others mentioned many times over.

I remeber the elation when Kaine and Desiree got onto "Oprah". She never mentioned him again, as far as I know. That was 2.5 years ago.

 

[KateNY]

Rumor has it the one of the non-family facebooks is being forced down


Hope this is ok to post since it was MSN
This one went down and she put another up.....
http://www.9news.com/news/article/304734/42/-Dylan-Redwine-Facebook-page-deleted-

 

[cluciano63]

Having much trouble with WS tonight...is it just me?

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I know that I am projecting here. Since I was married for more than 20 years to a man who was emotionally abusive and always, always just on the edge of physical abuse. He was charismatic, only a few could see through the facade. Even my own sister thought I was exaggerating when I told her I was afraid he would snap someday. He could never harm a soul in her eyes. I walked on eggshells during the marriage and tiptoed out of it. Somewhat proud of myself to make it out alive. Two months later, he had broken my 12 year old's collarbone. No one was there to stand between them. There was an underlying rage that he had no self control over. Who knows if he could have stopped himself. Thankfully, my older son was there. His second wife did not tiptoe. When she filed for divorce, he broke her house up. She locked herself in a room, she must have been terrified. Who knows what would have happened , if the police hadn't come sirens blaring. I believe ER and I believe AZGRANDMA when they say MR could be capable of harming DR. That does not prove he did. But I believe them that it is possible. I also believe it is important to listen to them, and take the possibility into account.

 

[KateNY]

AnotherSetOfEyes.... if you are projecting, you are not alone.
Some have just never walked in those shoes...they have no idea, can't relate

I think some people may have what I'll call ex-syndrome, for whatever experience in their own lives. ( their ex, their spouses ex )They think the exs just are grudge holders, just bitter, don't listen to them....

I worked with a gal who was like that..did not believe any of the warning signals from her hub's ex-wife.

She's dead now. He blew her head to bits through a car window as she left the police station (begging for help that day) . Her DD was in the car.

((( Hugs To You)))

 

[aust amateur slueth]

AnotherSetOfEyes.... if you are projecting, you are not alone.
Some have just never walked in those shoes...they have no idea, can't relate

I think some people may have what I'll call ex-syndrome, for whatever experience in their own lives. ( their ex, their spouses ex )They think the exs just are grudge holders, just bitter, don't listen to them....

I worked with a gal who was like that..did not believe any of the warning signals from her hub's ex-wife.

She's dead now. He blew her head to bits through a car window as she left the police station (begging for help that day) . Her DD was in the car.

((( Hugs To You)))

the lack of belief by outsiders is why so many stay in abusive relationships, look at how those who do leave are treated, as if they are grudge holding bitter liars when they are just grateful to have escaped from the tyranny of abuse.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

O/T Rant

I think I used to project due to my own experiences with domestic violence. I am a little more cautious now, because I have witnessed and realized that many women can be mentally, emotionally and physically abusive as well. Men are less likely to talk about it or contact police when this occurs.

I have tried to help mediate with a couple recently that is having this problem. She called the police after she beat on him and he simply pushed her away in defense. I witnessed it. She spends her days on the phone calling his family, her family and friends and tells neighbors how awful he is. She drinks all the time, which contributes to the problem. I believed what she was telling me all along until I started seeing different.

I don't understand why people remain in relationships for so long, when things are this toxic. I know I remained in mine for longer than I should have, but when I see this go on for decades I just am miffed. If it's for financial reasons, it's not worth it. If it's for the kids sake, it causes more harm for them staying in the relationship. A lot of times the other partner becomes so frustrated that their behavior becomes toxic also and they turn to abuse as well.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, we can't forget that men also are victims of domestic violence as well as sexual assault, it's just rarely talked about.

 

[KateNY]

BeginnersLuck

agreed...goes both ways

 

[katydid23]

This just gave me a thought. If they were looking for DR's footprints outside and never found any, but expected to, then did they also NOT find footprints of any one else? If someone walked to the door , grabbed DR , then they would now be at least a big person and the added weight of carrying a 'probably ' struggling fairly good size kid, so wouldn't that person have left foot prints somewhere? You'd think their feet would be really dug into the dirt or gravel under that much weight and stress. No way for them to walk gingerly even if they walked gingerly to the door. Hmmmm, but what does that mean if so? DR must have made it as far as the road ?

I feel that the most likely way an abduction could have happened from the home would be one where he was lured by someone. Mainly because all of his things are gone, and there was no signs of struggle, no muss ,no noise.

If he were taken from home, I lean towards a creepy neighbor, a family 'friend', a co-worker of MR, or like the father of one of D's friends ---someone known to him, that could lure him to voluntarily get in the vehicle. JMO

 

[Confusion]

I feel that the most likely way an abduction could have happened from the home would be one where he was lured by someone. Mainly because all of his things are gone, and there was no signs of struggle, no muss ,no noise.

If he were taken from home, I lean towards a creepy neighbor, a family 'friend', a co-worker of MR, or like the father of one of D's friends ---someone known to him, that could lure him to voluntarily get in the vehicle. JMO

I'm still stuck on the family friend. I wish I could come up with a theory that fit better so I could actually discuss it a bit more. Oh well, such is life. MOO

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I believe that if/when the truth is known, the "suspicious coincidences" will all disappear and it will all make perfect sense. MOO

 

[marlywings]

Bumping up SoSueMe's post from first page as it seems some of you may need to re-read it.

Folks, we have allowed the discussion of Dylan's father in this case because there are a lot of questions surrounding Dylan's disappearance and he was the last person known to see him prior to his disappeance.

We do not know what happened to Dylan or who is responsible. It is not a foregone conclusion that MR is responsible for the disappearance of his son.

We are web sleuths and as web sleuths, we'd like to see any and all possibilities as to what may have happened to Dylan discussed here. Any members chastising other members for putting forth alternative theories will be hit with hefty timeouts.

All reasonable theories and discussion of facts are welcome in this thread.

Please carry on and let's do what we do best.

Thank you.

 

[katydid23]

The shows have been taped already right? So, the results must not be too dramatic toward Mark or MR would refuse to do the show. There would be some news leaked. Or the finale will be very anti-climatic. Do the participants have the final say as to if the show can be aired? ty

No, it does not work that way. They make the guests sign RELEASE Forms before they tape the show. And even if it is a 2 day show, it was all taped in one day.

So there is no way for anyone to 'refuse' to do the show, because it is already done, way before it airs. It's a done deal, and none of them know what the editing will look like until it airs. That makes a huge difference. The producers can make any of them look guilty or innocent or clueless or whatever they want.

 

[Seajay]

Women can definitely be verbally and physically abusive. I'm watching it now with my own eyes with a family member. The husband is well educated, good looking, soft spoken, despises violence of any type, is an excellent father. Has never lost his temper or being a physical altercation with another peer.

His wife put him down, controlled him, made all the decisions in the family, ignored his family, and they did everything with her family. She lied to him about paying the bills, spending money, all sorts of things. He did all the yard work, most of the house work, took care of all the kids, even while she was around. She'd play on the computer and bark orders at him to do things with and for the kids.

He finally had enough and filed for divorce. Twice now she has gone to where he was staying and started pushing him and slapping him and hitting on him. He won't lay a hand on her. She's picked up knives and thrown them close to him. Then she picks up a knife and puts it in her pocket and declares she's going to leave and go kill herself. This guy hates confrontation, but that's all it's been with her.

Some women are nags, act superior to their husbands, talk garbage about them all the time, lie, complain, and treat their men like one of their children. They never shut up. IMO, JMO, MOO