CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[Deleted member 39678]

I cant see him taking a poly on the D.r P show!

Does anyone here think he will?

I doesn't matter to me whether he does or doesn't take one. Polygraphs are so unreliable IMO that they are practically useless in determining if someone is being truthful or deceptive. MOO.

 

[NC Analyzer]

If.......
His poly came back that he failed or inconclusive there is only ONE reason I can see why they wouldnt ask him to retake that poly.


And JMO

Yes. The reason is fairly obvious when looking at the totality of the circumstantial evidence. LE cannot force anyone to take a poly. Nor is it something that is (normally) used in a court of law. It is a tool. And used as such. Not taking one, not taking a second one, is just one part of the "tool". A unnamed POI who likes to talk and fancies himself "smarter" than LE is also a "tool" that doesn't come along very often...and a revengeful, narcissistic unnamed POI who compulsively directs his feelings of rage and revenge is a treasure. :floorlaugh:

 

[missrugby]

My youngest son is now 19, and up until a year ago was still watching Nickelodeon.

As a matter of fact, when he is home for visits, he still occasionally watches 'Spongebob' (as do I :blushing: )

Also remember when he was younger, that was his favourite station.

My son watches Spongebob and when he gets up to go do something else I find myself watching it alone....maybe I should get a life! LOL

 

[asyousay]

I cant see him taking a poly on the D.r P show!

Does anyone here think he will?

I do as he knows if he does not then it makes him look even more guilty . From what I can gather from reading Azgradma posts is he is a born manipulator and its never his fault :cow:

 

[Eileen730]

I doesn't matter to me whether he does or doesn't take one. Polygraphs are so unreliable IMO that they are practically useless in determining if someone is being truthful or deceptive. MOO.

I understand but its used every day in LE.
Its used in companies for employment.
so its not all that useless!


moo

 

[Kamille]

If.......
His poly came back that he failed or inconclusive there is only ONE reason I can see why they wouldnt ask him to retake that poly.


And JMO

IMO polygraphs are utilized more for the effect on the person taking them than the results. The results cannot be used as evidence. But it's usually more about how the person reacts to being asked, whether they agree or refuse, and what information they can gleam regarding certain questions that can be used as an investigative tool.

Most innocent people with an inconclusive result will beg to retake it, just because it bothers them that LE might have a suspicion.

MOO

 

[scorekeeper]

"He either left the house and someone abducted him or something happened while he was still at the house. I could not think of a 3rd possibility," said Dan Bender, spokesman from the La Plata County Sheriff's Office.

What's the odds that IF Dylan did leave the house and that someone that abducted him was Mark?

 

[Kamille]

As we see, repeatedly, over and over again...HE is his own worst enemy. :great:

Reminds me of a phrase I once heard. Something about giving enough rope....

:wink:

 

[Eileen730]

I do as he knows if he does not then it makes him look even more guilty . From what I can gather from reading Azgradma posts is he is a born manipulator and its never his fault :cow:

I think he is going to say he was advised not to!

 

[Eileen730]

I do as he knows if he does not then it makes him look even more guilty . From what I can gather from reading Azgradma posts is he is a born manipulator and its never his fault :cow:

I think he is going to say he was advised not to!

He dosent care if he looks guilty or not he dosent want to go to jail.

jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I understand but its used every day in LE.
Its used in companies for employment.
so its not all that useless!


moo

I agree that it's used a lot. I still think that it's unreliable. MOO.

 

[nursebeeme]

I think he is going to say he was advised not to!

He dosent care if he looks guilty or not he dosent want to go to jail.

jmo

didn't he tell MB that he would take one?

I hope Dr. Phil did all of his background homework before the interviews.

(fwiw, I thought he did a great job with the Morgan Ingram show and he was very well prepared in advance for the most part. He was also very fair to both sides during that show. I was pretty impressed.)

 

[scorekeeper]

RUMOR ALERT

one of the locals is saying that A REVERSE 911 call was issued Monday night around 9 pm. Is there anyway to check this?

Mods please delete if needed

 

[TheDuchess]

I've only been following this case marginally, but am drawn to Dylan, as I have a son his age who also plays baseball and his sweet little face haunts me to think that he could just be gone from this earth-or worse yet, at the hands of his own father.

So I was wondering if any of you could clear up some questions I have as to whether or not Dylan could have gone missing by accident. I am thinking of a case here in Illinois just recently of a young man who left a party on a cold day and tried walking home but got lost, only to freeze to death in the woods, trying to take a short cut.

I was wondering if something similar had happened to Dylan. Is there any possible way that Dylan may have decided to just give up on waiting on his dad to come back to pick him up and just go out on his own that morning? Take his stuff, thinking he may end up spending the night at a friends house later that evening? How familiar was he with the area? Could he have tried to take a shortcut and gotten lost somewhere? I know he would have taken his phone, but maybe just forgot it, as my boys do all the time.

It just seems to me that Dylan was quite a spirited young boy, but certainly no baby. While I am sure that his father could have done him harm in a fit of rage, I would imagine that there would be some indication of a struggle. I know my 12 year old, also an athlete, could at least put up some kind of struggle. If it took place in the car, he would kick in the dash or something, scratch, punch, etc... I would like to think that Dylan could have at least put up some type of struggle at some point.

Also, have all of the other boys been ruled out as far as alibi's? I am not saying any of them would be suspects, but perhaps they met up to do something they weren't supposed to be doing and things went awry and are afraid to come forward? Just another thought.

 

[Eileen730]

IMO polygraphs are utilized more for the effect on the person taking them than the results. The results cannot be used as evidence. But it's usually more about how the person reacts to being asked, whether they agree or refuse, and what information they can gleam regarding certain questions that can be used as an investigative tool.

Most innocent people with an inconclusive result will beg to retake it, just because it bothers them that LE might have a suspicion.

MOO

Well they do help to rule ppl out!
I think ppl argue polygraphs not being a good way to find the truth or say they are not reliable are the ppl that fail them.

JMO

 

[ColdHands]

I've only been following this case marginally, but am drawn to Dylan, as I have a son his age who also plays baseball and his sweet little face haunts me to think that he could just be gone from this earth-or worse yet, at the hands of his own father.

So I was wondering if any of you could clear up some questions I have as to whether or not Dylan could have gone missing by accident. I am thinking of a case here in Illinois just recently of a young man who left a party on a cold day and tried walking home but got lost, only to freeze to death in the woods, trying to take a short cut.

I was wondering if something similar had happened to Dylan. Is there any possible way that Dylan may have decided to just give up on waiting on his dad to come back to pick him up and just go out on his own that morning? Take his stuff, thinking he may end up spending the night at a friends house later that evening? How familiar was he with the area? Could he have tried to take a shortcut and gotten lost somewhere? I know he would have taken his phone, but maybe just forgot it, as my boys do all the time.

It just seems to me that Dylan was quite a spirited young boy, but certainly no baby. While I am sure that his father could have done him harm in a fit of rage, I would imagine that there would be some indication of a struggle. I know my 12 year old, also an athlete, could at least put up some kind of struggle. If it took place in the car, he would kick in the dash or something, scratch, punch, etc... I would like to think that Dylan could have at least put up some type of struggle at some point.

Also, have all of the other boys been ruled out as far as alibi's? I am not saying any of them would be suspects, but perhaps they met up to do something they weren't supposed to be doing and things went awry and are afraid to come forward? Just another thought.

BBM above...I would not even consider Dylan's friends - there's no way for him to have gotten to them without someone saying something. I can't see one of their parents driving up to Vallecito to pick him up, bring him into Bayfield and not say something. Or that someone picked him up and actually got him to Bayfield and not said anything. All of the "picked up" theories pretty much point to him not making it to Bayfield.

I have speculated in my head that he might have met up with a group of older kids, older teens, out being less than awesome, who might have engaged in something that turned out badly.

 

[SuperMom1995]

But MR clearly had opportunity, whereas IMO there is zero reason to believe ER did. Motive is not always a factor in a crime, but opportunity always is.

Fathers’
motive to kill their children is usually to punish another person. This can be punishment against the child himself, or against the mother of the child. They are more likely than the mothers to be employed, but are far less likely to have a mental illness diagnosis.

The fathers are usually older than the mothers, and are more commonly the perpetrators of filicide of older children.

http://familylaw.uoregon.edu/assets/familylaw/snook.pdf

 

[SCHMAE]

I understand but its used every day in LE.
Its used in companies for employment.
so its not all that useless!


moo

I think in MOOOOO that it's used every day by LE to guide them so they know if they're headed in the right direction on an investigation. If that is so then they probably ' got their answer' by the results of his first test and don't need to do another. Since it cannot convict or acquit him either way, why waste the time. They probably got a good enough idea by the first batch of questions/ answers . Arrgh La Plata County... I cannot tell if you're genius or incompetent.

 

[SCHMAE]

RUMOR ALERT

one of the locals is saying that A REVERSE 911 call was issued Monday night around 9 pm. Is there anyway to check this?

Mods please delete if needed

I dont' even know what that means.

 

[Eileen730]

I dont' even know what that means.

The system is used to notify residents in emergency situations


[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_911"]Reverse 911 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]