CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[Chili Fries]

Looking at things as objectively as possible, I think what happened to Dylan can be reduced to two possibilities:

1. Mark is responsible (he was the last known person with Dylan).

2. Something else happened.

So what is the probability that Mark is responsible - 1%, 5%, 25%, 40%, 60%? Obviously anything over 50% would mean that it's more likely Mark is responsible than something else happening.

I'm not sure exactly where I am percentage-wise at this point, but I think I'm a little over 50%. I do think the fact that Elaine, Cory and Betsy have, at different times, said they believe Mark could have done something horrible to Dylan is important, and should not be summarily dismissed. They are the ones who know him and have spent years living with him.

One thing I am sure of is that Mark does hold a deep resentment towards Elaine, which often seems to manifest itself in odd fashion (it caused some of Melissa Blasius' uncomfortable responses to him in her interview). Whether his resentment is a factor in what happened to Dylan, I really don't know, but it's definitely there.

Anyway, as I said before, I'm going to watch the Dr Phil show with an open mind and see whether my estimation of Mark's responsibility moves one way or the other. Hopefully I'll be more confident in his guilt or innocence.

 

[The Cheese]

I wish they would fix the Wednesday preview video on the Dr Phil website!!!

 

[NC Analyzer]

I must have missed a video. All I can find is this: (and, IMO, nothing wrong with it)

Wednesday - February 27, 2013

The Search for Dylan: The Polygraph Drama

In Part 2 of this Dr. Phil mystery, the family of 14-year-old Dylan Redwine, who has been missing for three months, continues to search for answers. Dr. Phil sits down one-on-one with Dylan's father, Mark, in an effort to help find Dylan. Was he the last person to see the teen? And, what does Mark think happened to his son? Mark says he’s tired of having the finger pointed at him, and he’s willing to take a polygraph test to help clear his name. When the time comes, will he take the test?

 

[SuperMom1995]

I understand but its used every day in LE.
Its used in companies for employment.
so its not all that useless!


moo

Yeah, it's a useful tool, especially used with statement/behavioral analysis and really good circumstantial evidence:jail:

 

[Eileen730]

If Mark Redwine is responsible he will not open up and tell anyone what happened.
Its not up to him to prove hes innocent its up to LE to prove he is not INNOCENT.
All He has to do is sit back if they start getting close he might start to sweat or vanish himself.

JMO

PPL dont usually rat themselves out as i see it they wait to get caught and then want to plea!

 

[*Lash*]

Fishing pole that was found at the dam -

A few days ago, there was a part of a fishing pole found on the Vallecito dam and investigators have determined that it has no connection with Dylan. The owner of that broken fishing pole has been contacted and the fishing pole has been ruled out as a potential clue.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1095

 

[The Cheese]

I must have missed a video. All I can find is this: (and, IMO, nothing wrong with it)

Wednesday - February 27, 2013

The Search for Dylan: The Polygraph Drama

In Part 2 of this Dr. Phil mystery, the family of 14-year-old Dylan Redwine, who has been missing for three months, continues to search for answers. Dr. Phil sits down one-on-one with Dylan's father, Mark, in an effort to help find Dylan. Was he the last person to see the teen? And, what does Mark think happened to his son? Mark says he’s tired of having the finger pointed at him, and he’s willing to take a polygraph test to help clear his name. When the time comes, will he take the test?

Oh gosh. That one won't play for me. Only the Tuesday one -

The Disappearance of Dylan: Who's to Blame?
Fourteen-year-old Dylan Redwine vanished without a trace three months ago, while on a court-ordered visitation at his father, Mark’s, house. What happened to Dylan? And, why are his parents pointing the finger at each other?

Could someone give a rundown on what the Wednesday video above says? Since it hasn't been discussed, I thought nobody else could watch it either! Thanks!

 

[NC Analyzer]

I cannot find a "video" of the Wednesday show, so I have no idea what the issue is. All I find on Dr. Phil's webpage is the small paragraph I cited and IMO, there is nothing "wrong" with it.
If someone has something else, please provide a link.

 

[*Lash*]

LE doesn't believe Dylan wandered off and became lost in the wild.

Authorities have ruled out the possibility that Dylan is a runaway due to the length of time he's been missing, lack of cell phone activity, and the fact that he hasn't contacted any family or friends.

They also believe there's no chance Dylan wandered off and became lost in the wild.

"Task force members are looking at this investigation as a criminal investigation," said Lt. Shupe. "We are still looking at all other possibilities."

http://www.kjct8.com/news/Investiga...-boy/-/163152/17609894/-/yrl3duz/-/index.html

 

[The Cheese]

I cannot find a "video" of the Wednesday show, so I have no idea what the issue is. All I find on Dr. Phil's webpage is the small paragraph I cited and IMO, there is nothing "wrong" with it.
If someone has something else, please provide a link.

http://www.drphil.com/

Scroll down a bit, left side, Mark's picture, when I hover my mouse over his face a triangular video play button appears. When I click it, in the video window to the right of it, only a few second Dr Phil logo plays. No preview video plays. That is what I am saying is "wrong" with the video.

On the Tuesday video (just above the Wednesday video), that few second Dr Phil logo plays, and then is followed with the video preview of Dr Phil, Mark, and Elaine that we've been discussing on here.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I wish they would fix the Wednesday preview video on the Dr Phil website!!!

It was your post that alluded to "fixing" the Wednesday video preview?

Oh gosh. That one won't play for me. Only the Tuesday one -

The Disappearance of Dylan: Who's to Blame?
Fourteen-year-old Dylan Redwine vanished without a trace three months ago, while on a court-ordered visitation at his father, Mark’s, house. What happened to Dylan? And, why are his parents pointing the finger at each other?

Could someone give a rundown on what the Wednesday video above says? Since it hasn't been discussed, I thought nobody else could watch it either! Thanks!

If you were commenting on the Wednesday video, what are you asking for?

 

[NC Analyzer]

http://www.drphil.com/

Scroll down a bit, left side, Mark's picture, when I hover my mouse over his face a triangular video play button appears. When I click it, in the video window to the right of it, only a few second Dr Phil logo plays.

On the Tuesday video (just above the Wednesday video, that few second Dr Phil logo plays, and then is followed with the video preview of Dr Phil, Mark, and Elaine that we've been discussing on here.

Nevermind. I understand.

Maybe the Dr. Phil show doesn't want to "preview" that quite yet? I don't think it's something they've neglected to "fix", probably something they don't want to put out just yet. But JMO

 

[The Cheese]

It was your post that alluded to "fixing" the Wednesday video preview?



If you were commenting on the Wednesday video, what are you asking for?

I didn't ask for anything. I said I wish they would fix the Wednesday video. The Wednesday preview video that currently won't play.

 

[The Cheese]

Nevermind. I understand.

Maybe the Dr. Phil show doesn't want to "preview" that quite yet? I don't think it's something they've neglected to "fix", probably something they don't want to put out just yet. But JMO

I think it didn't load properly, and they need to reload it. But JMO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I agree that it's used a lot. I still think that it's unreliable. MOO.

I sometimes think that the purpose of a lie detector is not necessarily to detect lies, but to make people think they have to tell the truth. You get better answers that way.

 

[ColdHands]

I think it didn't load properly, and they need to reload it. But JMO.

Thursday and Friday did not have videos either when I looked so I figured that was just placeholders until they were ready or approved to be posted.

 

[fedfan4life]

If Mark Redwine is responsible he will not open up and tell anyone what happened.
Its not up to him to prove hes innocent its up to LE to prove he is not INNOCENT.
All He has to do is sit back if they start getting close he might start to sweat or vanish himself.

JMO

PPL dont usually rat themselves out as i see it they wait to get caught and then want to plea!

This is correct, UNLESS there is leverage which may be used to compel a perpetrator to elaborate. For example, no death penalty, if a body is produced.

The problem I see in this case (and is evidenced by Mr. Skelton), if the endgame was to punish Elaine, Mark has already accomplished the ultimate goal. That then equates to no leverage.

Hopefully, my supposition is inaccurate, and there is something - anything - that Mark Redwine values more than the distress of the mother of Dylan. Otherwise, unless there is forensic evidence found, this case will remain unsolved.

 

[azgrandma]

Interesting article, I couldn't find enough information on the studies, there just isn't time. These quotes from the article stuck out at me:

"People motivated by spousal revenge want to take away the thing that is most precious to the spouse. The children are used as "an object in this war that they see with this other person,"

and

Those with the disorder can be grandiose in their thinking, have a limited capacity for empathy, see themselves as victims, and take many things as signs of disloyalty, said Adams, who also founded Emerge, a Boston counseling center for men who abuse their partners.

"When they suffer what's called a narcissistic injury -- when their ego is wounded, so to speak -- then they strike out with narcissistic rage, like they want to destroy the person who hurt them," Adams said.

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_21142127/river-falls-murder-hearing-today

 

[NC Analyzer]

Interesting article, I couldn't find enough information on the studies, there just isn't time. These quotes from the article stuck out at me:

"People motivated by spousal revenge want to take away the thing that is most precious to the spouse. The children are used as "an object in this war that they see with this other person,"

and

Those with the disorder can be grandiose in their thinking, have a limited capacity for empathy, see themselves as victims, and take many things as signs of disloyalty, said Adams, who also founded Emerge, a Boston counseling center for men who abuse their partners.

"When they suffer what's called a narcissistic injury -- when their ego is wounded, so to speak -- then they strike out with narcissistic rage, like they want to destroy the person who hurt them," Adams said.

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_21142127/river-falls-murder-hearing-today

I do believe many of us suspect this particular set of character flaws in MR. Thank you, azgrandma! :rocker:

 

[Seajay]

Respectfully since he was the parent that had physical custody he could probably be charged with something. The Skelton boys father was charged with custodial interference when they disappeared on a court ordered Thanksgiving visit with him. No bodies have ever been found but he got 15-20 years anyway.:twocents::moo:

In the Sky Metawala (2) case, his mother left him alone in a parked unlocked car for an hour while she took the 4 year old sister in search of gas (the car had gas in it) and claimed when she got back, he was gone. She also admitted when she was arbitration with the father over custody she left the two home alone for 14 hours. The 4 year old was malnutitioned. No charges for anything have been filed against her. Not child neglect, not child endangerment, not child abandonment, nothing.

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