CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #39

[KateNY]

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[scorekeeper]

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BBM

 

[mijamawi]

I wonder if a cadaver hit in a vehicle would even mean much as far as evidence goes, as it does not seem to have helped move the case of Lisa Irwin along at all. And this LE would probably not announce it, even if it happened.

I'm not familiar with the Lisa Irwin case. Yes, I've heard of it, but I haven't followed. So, cadaver dogs picked up on a scent in their vehicle, but nothing came of it?

do we know if the 9:37 text was sent from the phone or the ipod?

I know LE has told us they found his ipod email account.

No, we don't know, but many have said since ER had the records and nothing was on there after 8:01, it must have been from an iTouch. MOO

They should. I doubt there are many towers in that area. Someone probably knows more about that. I came in late on the thread so it may have been researched already.

LE statement that something either happened at the house or after he left the house makes me think he at least made it there.

Right. So if he made it there then a scent would be found, right?

Okey doke. I have long figured on an argument between Mr and Dylan. Not a fan of the premeditated theory, although i'm not ruling it out, but I see much more a quick and violent confrontation that got our of hand. Probably at home. Figure MR had enough of the texting on the way home and confiscated the phone. Maybe Dylan was texting from the ipod later (9:37?) although once again, I'm open to other possibilities. Choking/smothering (leaving very little evidence, particulary 10 days later) and then a real quick, panicked, ohmigod whatdoido reaction. Packs up Dylan and the backpack (which has not been opened) and dispatches him quickly. Maybe the lake? Maybe a long drive on a path well known to a place well known to him. If the lake, then probably so he can "hold on" to Dylan in a place he sees every damned day. the lake is problematic because I cannot visualize how you would toss a 100 lb body over that walkway near the dam. And no, i don't think MR has a boat or would have risked using one to dispose of Dylan. I lean a bit more to a pipeline project/open construction zone place. But part of me has always believed this is the simplest of crimes and the simplest of scenes. Quick, violent argument followed by a dump in the lake. Hope I'm wrong.

But from what I've read, the decomp smell happens pretty quickly. So either MR carried him the what, 4 miles right, to the lake or he put him in the truck. Either way, a decomp smell would have been detected? If dogs can get a decomp scent from under water, surely they can get it from a house, car?

BBM - (Simply conjecture on my part.) I agree that the 9:37 text is a big clue. In fact I would go so far as to say that it is the sole reason the LE put out the timeline. To say...we have the forensics back...we know... to make the perp nervous. One thing that makes it significant IMO is ER's statements that texts stopped around 8 PM. It seems plausible that she checked her phone records and texts did stop at exactly that time on Dylan's phone. Hence, the replies came from another device. I have multiple theories. But none of them fit with Dylan making it to MR's and LE made it pretty clear that he did. JMO.

Can you elaborate? Did MR go to Starbucks for their free wi/fi to send a text from the iTouch?

Lots of cases, solved and unsolved, didn't produce forensic evidence at the likely scene of the crime. Lacy Peterson, Susan Powell, Michelle Parker to name a few. A quick wrapping of a body and a bloodless death likely prevents this evidence from being found IMO.

We can't expect forensic evidence at every crime scene. Especially when there are 10 days before the CSI even show up.

MOO

That's true, so the lack of evidence could mean anything?

Again, I'm not being snarky. So many people have said it all points to MR. I'm trying to make it all point to MR and so far it doesn't.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm not familiar with the Lisa Irwin case. Yes, I've heard of it, but I haven't followed. So, cadaver dogs picked up on a scent in their vehicle, but nothing came of it?



No, we don't know, but many have said since ER had the records and nothing was on there after 8:01, it must have been from an iTouch. MOO



Right. So if he made it there then a scent would be found, right?



But from what I've read, the decomp smell happens pretty quickly. So either MR carried him the what, 4 miles right, to the lake or he put him in the truck. Either way, a decomp smell would have been detected? If dogs can get a decomp scent from under water, surely they can get it from a house, car?



Can you elaborate? Did MR go to Starbucks for their free wi/fi to send a text from the iTouch?



That's true, so the lack of evidence could mean anything?

Again, I'm not being snarky. So many people have said it all points to MR. I'm trying to make it all point to MR and so far it doesn't.

In Baby Lisa's case, there allegedly a hit in the mother's bedroom.

 

[mijamawi]

A properly trained and proficient HRD dog can assist law enforcement by locating, often within mere inches, the precise location of your crime scene. Exceptions are few, and include death by asphyxiation if the body is removed from the area immediately.

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BBM

So if Dylan was strangled, there would be no scent? The body would have to be transferred, right? When would the decomp scent come into play? If he was transported by vehicle, there would be a scent unless it was a short transport, maybe, in which case I'd think he'd be found already.

 

[mijamawi]

In Baby Lisa's case, there allegedly a hit in the mother's bedroom.

What was the reasoning on the scent and why no arrest was made?

 

[rebeccaeee]

So if Dylan was strangled, there would be no scent? The body would have to be transferred, right? When would the decomp scent come into play? If he was transported by vehicle, there would be a scent unless it was a short transport, maybe, in which case I'd think he'd be found already.

Scent alone is not enough for an arrest, IMO. We have no idea if the dogs got any scent in MR's home or vehicle. LE is pretty tight lipped here. Far as i know, the K-9 team there now is not searching MR's home or vehicles.

 

[Kamille]

A properly trained and proficient HRD dog can assist law enforcement by locating, often within mere inches, the precise location of your crime scene. Exceptions are few, and include death by asphyxiation if the body is removed from the area immediately.

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BBM

With all due respect to that company, I think there are more than a few exceptions. Especially when someone has time to "clean up" a crime scene.

MOO

 

[jjenny]

What was the reasoning on the scent and why no arrest was made?

Reportedly, cadaver dog hit in the bedroom of baby Lisa's parents. Non enough for an arrest.

 

[Kamille]

Scent alone is not enough for an arrest, IMO. We have no idea if the dogs got any scent in MR's home or vehicle. LE is pretty tight lipped here. Far as i know, the K-9 team there now is not searching MR's home or vehicles.

We have no idea if HRD dogs were even at the home do we?

 

[Dee10]

What was the reasoning on the scent and why no arrest was made?

Baby Lisa's body has never been found & a defense lawyer would argue that as well as the decomp. scent could be from a previous owner, etc. Decomp. is just that, not specific to an individual just someone deceased.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

We have no idea if HRD dogs were even at the home do we?

I would have a really hard time believing that when the FBI and CBI did their extensive search of the home that they didn't bring in dogs.

It seems like it would be standard to do that.

LE said they weren't going to release any information and they have stuck to that with the exception of the 9:37 electronic communication, text or whatever and the hispanic male.

 

[Kamille]

So if Dylan was strangled, there would be no scent? The body would have to be transferred, right? When would the decomp scent come into play? If he was transported by vehicle, there would be a scent unless it was a short transport, maybe, in which case I'd think he'd be found already.

Wrapping a body in plastic or putting it in some kind of airtight plastic container would prevent scent transfer. The back of a pick up is pretty easy to clean out as well.

MOO

 

[mijamawi]

So a non-descript decomp scent, one that was released puclicly. In Dylan's case, if there was a decomp scent from the vehicles or the home, would we have heard of it? At what point in baby Lisa's case was that made public?

 

[cluciano63]

What was the reasoning on the scent and why no arrest was made?

I don't think a dog scent/hit is ever enough to be the basis of an arrest. There is a whole separate thread about this hit in her forum, as it became a huge deal, but resulted in nothing so far, 16 months later. It might surface again as a part of a case, if they ever make one.

 

[cluciano63]

So a non-descript decomp scent, one that was released puclicly. In Dylan's case, if there was a decomp scent from the vehicles or the home, would we have heard of it? At what point in baby Lisa's case was that made public?

IIRC, the media got a hold of it, not sure if LE released it. I doubt the LE in Dylan's case would make it public if it occurred. In a way, it would explain their seemingly non-frantic search for Dylan, or any allusions to a possible predator in the area (if they suspect he is deceased) but a "hit" would not be enough to charge.

 

[Dee10]

So a non-descript decomp scent, one that was released puclicly. In Dylan's case, if there was a decomp scent from the vehicles or the home, would we have heard of it? At what point in baby Lisa's case was that made public?

First, I am just going off memory, but it wasn't right away that the FBI came in & did the forensic search. There were media helicopters in the air as it the case had already made national headlines and we could see the dogs, etc. LE was not calling Debra a POI until she quit talking & got a defense lawyer. So it may have been released then, when the gloves really came off, I am not really sure. Clu?

 

[Kamille]

I would have a really hard time believing that when the FBI and CBI did their extensive search of the home that they didn't bring in dogs.

It seems like it would be standard to do that.

LE said they weren't going to release any information and they have stuck to that with the exception of the 9:37 electronic communication, text or whatever and the hispanic male.

I've seen photos and video of the day they were there. Don't recall seeing any dogs but I could be wrong. Wouldn't that have to be requested on the warrant? At the time I don't think they were considering a possible death in the home were they?

MOO

 

[Dee10]

I've seen photos and video of the day they were there. Don't recall seeing any dogs but I could be wrong. Wouldn't that have to be requested on the warrant? At the time I don't think they were considering a possible death in the home were they?

MOO

I didn't see any dogs either, but they had the front really blocked off with the crime scene truck, vehicles & at least one tent. The FBI got a court order, wish we knew what was on it & what was used to ask the Judge to sign it.

 

[Confusion]

Has K9 Forensics checked at or near MR's house? Since LE doesn't seem very involved in their search and they have friends and family members there with them, I'd think news of a hit from them would be public very quickly. MOO