CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[YidArmyRach]

Oh I agree with you on both points. But others have cited that chain of events I listed as probable. I was trying to say that if true, it would be IMO be a series of coincidences as well.

Hmm I don't think I worded that very well sorry - hope you got my meaning Yid. Am wondering what the point of continuing to post is right about now - if only speculation about all things MR and expressions of dislike or disgust about him are left to discuss or compare notes about.

:moo:

I was agreeing with you!! Obviously didn't word my post very well either! :blushing:

 

[FruitTingles]

From me it comes from the fact that if I remember correctly there has never been a case of a child being snatched by a perp in that area . Can you please offer me any statistics of a child being snatched by a pedophile in vallecito in the last 5/10 years ?

Then I add in the fact that Dylan was a visitor and did not live there full time and that would also make the odds less IMO

BBM
There's a first for everything. JMO.

 

[cfreyja23]

These are all theories that have been discussed by some and dismissed by others many times over the past months. None of them are outrageously unbelievable or so 'way out there' as to be ridiculous IMO. They are theories, and opinions, which again ... are all we have in the absence of any other facts.

I don't believe anyone has ever implied he just took off for a hike. He could have taken his seemingly lightly packed backpack with him as he was planning to spend a night or perhaps more at his friends place.

I'm not sure where the notion comes from that predators will only ever be lurking in some pre-determined or predictable locations. If that is the case how do they not all end up being caught and whisked off our streets?

Coincidences happen all the time - it's only in retrospect that we recognise or label them as coincidences. One could surmise that a court ordered visit > Dylan by some accounts not keen to go > frowny face on text to mum > disappearing and/or being killed by father within 24 hours of arriving is also an absolutely awful and coincidental sequence of events - yet there seems to be no issue with believing it is at all possible.

Below is an unsolved case of a missing teen that happened when I was a child. It happened outside a rural town, on a track through a sugar cane farm, with her brothers following close behind and no other witnesses -



Courier Mail, July 16 2011

I just needed to point out that this stuff just happens! I'm sure any of us really thought about it we could all think of more cases like this. Even if stats show it isn't very common, that's no reason to dismiss a stranger abduction as almost impossible in any given case.

:moo:

I'm always open to the possibility of a stranger abduction, but your example isn't comparable to this case. The little girl's belongings were scattered everywhere. Where is all of Dylan's stuff? That's one meticulous kidnapper if someone did pick him up.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Oh I remember reading about this - he was there helping to search initially wasn't he?

Yes he was, and was giving interviews for various media. I think it was a classic case of trying to get involved, so that he could find out how the searches were going and what information/evidence had been uncoved, if any. Iirc, it was these things which got the police interested in him initially - even though he had persuaded his girlfriend to give him a false alibi for the night in question.

Really tragic case, but if anything good came of it, we have much better checks for staff working with children now.

BIB got me thinking - MR has been criticised for not helping out with the searches. If he had done, would he be accused of trying to find out inside information?!

 

[SCHMAE]

Ok sleuthers HELP!
MR does or DID work for united pipe? They said some weeks back they would ' match' a certain amount of the dylan fund for the reward. Remember? At that time I thought oh wow, they must really believe in MR ! So I wonder three things A ) does he still work for them B ) does the offer still stand or did they already donate to the fund after ( i think it was his bday and they said all money raised tonight,we will match dollar for dollar) C ) does United pipe run routes INTO TEXAS? MR said on dr phil show that on dylans bday he could not be there because he was in TEXAS for the ' company i work for' ( he did not say united pipe) and could not get back in time. So if united pipe does not run to texas, then he's not working there now, correct?

part two.

I made dh watch dr phil with eye rolls and groans ! But now he's got his thinking cap on and brought up 2 good points. Well first he's totally sure MR's the perp here . He wonders if looking at MR's 'run logs' of where his truck had been going the weeks leading up TO DR"s disappearance might be useful. Was MR anywhere particular like a specific great hiding location ? Maybe some out of the way l ocation he had to take 10 loads to over oct and nov and the area is isolated or has mines/ old houses/ deep quarries, etc. Also he wonders if MR has recently or EVER hauled or worked with any type of industrial chemicals..... acids Good questions I think. Many truck drivers have hauled hazmats so its possible MR knows where or has access to these chemicals in some way.
So I'm a touch proud of dh... because I've yet to see these 2 questions asked ! Don't know how or if we can get the answers, but points to ponder !

 

[Eileen730]

Really? How do you know that? We're all just guessing here. I don't think any of us can state, factually like that, what Dylan did or didn't do. We can surmise, thats all.

FWIW, I don't find it unbelievable that a kid waiting for a lift would wait outside, so he's ready to go the minute the car turns up.

Why wait outside?

He gets all his belongings and waits outside?

Sorry I dont see it.
And if he was sitting there waiting outside he would be texting!
that id bet my life on!

Like i have said numerous times I do not Believe Dylan was ever in that house ...

But JMO

If you think he was waiting outside eager to get to his friends house Id think you would believe he would have gotten up early and gone with his father.



jmo

I can give MR no free pass till he starts acting like a concerned father!
so far he has NOT!

 

[catswhiskers]

I'm always open to the possibility of a stranger abduction, but your example isn't comparable to this case. The little girl's belongings were scattered everywhere. Where is all of Dylan's stuff? That's one meticulous kidnapper if someone did pick him up.

I mentioned this as an example of a child being abducted in an unlikely place - rural, out of the way, close to home, within earshot of her brothers yet unseen by witnesses. The spinning wheel on the bike really hit home with everyone regarding how quickly it had happened. I can remember this and another case of two little girls being abducted together in another northern Queensland town being a big part of my "stranger danger" education as a child. Our parents were terrified and watched us more carefully than ever.

 

[Eileen730]

Ok sleuthers HELP!
MR does or DID work for united pipe? They said some weeks back they would ' match' a certain amount of the dylan fund for the reward. Remember? At that time I thought oh wow, they must really believe in MR ! So I wonder three things A ) does he still work for them B ) does the offer still stand or did they already donate to the fund after ( i think it was his bday and they said all money raised tonight,we will match dollar for dollar) C ) does United pipe run routes INTO TEXAS? MR said on dr phil show that on dylans bday he could not be there because he was in TEXAS for the ' company i work for' ( he did not say united pipe) and could not get back in time. So if united pipe does not run to texas, then he's not working there now, correct?

I have no idea!
It seems he goes there for payroll issues.
But was that for paperwork to give to his divorce lawyer?

 

[SCHMAE]

I have no idea!
It seems he goes there for payroll issues.
But was that for paperwork to give to his divorce lawyer?

I added a bunch to the post if you wanna re read it. You may know
some of those answers

 

[cfreyja23]

I mentioned this as an example of a child being abducted in an unlikely place - rural, out of the way, close to home, within earshot of her brothers yet unseen by witnesses. The spinning wheel on the bike really hit home with everyone regarding how quickly it had happened. I can remember this and another case of two little girls being abducted together in another northern Queensland town being a big part of my "stranger danger" education as a child. Our parents were terrified and watched us more carefully than ever.

For the purpose of showing how quickly someone can be abducted I agree it is an excellent example. Rural abductions certainly seem to be harder to prove. Have you read on WS about Holly Bobo? Her brother witnessed the kidnapping at the family's rural home, somehow the abductor got Holly to bring along her armload of stuff, her belongings were later found scattered, police believe the abductor knew her, and police still haven't identified a POI 2 years later.

 

[MissJ]

DP stated if MR had nothing to do with this then there was something wrong with him. I choose to believe the women who have spent years with him. His son CR who is an adult. They all believe MR is capable of hurting DR. JMO but how can any of us doubt them. We do not know MR. They do.MOO

 

[SCHMAE]

Amber Hagerman was snatched off her bike just down the street from her home in a busy area with one witness who said it happened just almost instantly. Another Opal Jo Jennings was in her front yard playing and a car came up and snatched her... it was a neighborhood where the homes are very near.. not rural at all and still no one saw and was able to give a description or anything. I dont understand why child predators seem to catch all the lucky breaks when it comes to invisibility

 

[SCHMAE]

I need a mod

 

[asyousay]

So if a child has never been abducted in Vallecito before it isn't a possibility? It could never happen ever? I don't understand that logic at all. I wonder if LE is working on that premise? IMO a predator isn't going to pause and take note of whether or not a prospective victim is a local, occasional visitor or a one off day tripper either.
:moo:

Of course you can never say never . But it is highly unlikely when I add in everything else Dylan did not do that day :cow:

As I have said its too convenient IMO

 

[asyousay]

I need a mod

You can PM one I think if you need help

 

[SCHMAE]

You can PM one I think if you need help

IDK who's awake. Anyone seen one anywhere?
Their schedule is odd. I never know who's gonna show up .

 

[YidArmyRach]

From me it comes from the fact that if I remember correctly there has never been a case of a child being snatched by a perp in that area . Can you please offer me any statistics of a child being snatched by a pedophile in vallecito in the last 5/10 years ?

Then I add in the fact that Dylan was a visitor and did not live there full time and that would also make the odds less IMO

Sounds weird, but wouldn't that actually make it a "good" place for a perp to target? If everyone is of the opinion that "as it hasn't happened here before, it won't happen here" then people won't be on their guard and children won't have the same level of stranger danger drilled into them as others who live in more 'risky' places. Seems to me, the ideal place for a SO to target.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

If you look at United Pipeline's website, you can search for employment opportunities. It shows where their offices are located. They are scattered throughout the country.

If someone works out of town say for a week or longer at a construction sight, when they returned to town, they would have to turn in their paperwork to get reimbursed for expenses. The office wouldn't open until Monday morning to do so. So, it only makes sense that he would want to get this done and out of the way that day. I know this, from being married to and having friends that have similar careers.

It could also be speculated that he had to provide his attorney with paperwork concerning his income.

When a person works out of town for weeks at a time, your time is limited on when you can take care of everyday business. People that don't have to work, or have jobs where they return home everyday, don't have this challenge of having to take care of business in a very short time slot.

I find nothing unusual, or bad about MR wanting to get these things done and out of the way so he could spend time with Dylan. In fact he may have had to do these things that Monday morning. This is not one of the different things that have been discussed that raise my hinky meter about MR.

 

[SuziQ]

Finally caught up. Whew!! I am still disgusted with MR and his refusal to take a poly, even if it had been a week later. I think because he told Dr. Phil he'd give one, he should have made good on it later. I still can see why he didn't do it that day, it was quite emotional and upsetting, but to sabotage his readiness the next day was outrageous.

I feel that my time on the fence is precarious. I feel like as I'm sitting there, someone is coming behind me, sneaking up on me and ready to push me off the fence. That person is MR. He own actions, his own behaviors are showing me what kind of man he is.

I still don't think he killed Dylan because I still don't think Dylan is dead, but dang MR didn't do himself any favors as far as me being completely convinced he's blameless in this. JMO

BBM. This is how I feel about Baby Lisa's parents. I supported them for quite awhile. Their own actions made it impossible for me to continue to stand behind them.

 

[Eileen730]

Amber Hagerman was snatched off her bike just down the street from her home in a busy area with one witness who said it happened just almost instantly. Another Opal Jo Jennings was in her front yard playing and a car came up and snatched her... it was a neighborhood where the homes are very near.. not rural at all and still no one saw and was able to give a description or anything. I dont understand why child predators seem to catch all the lucky breaks when it comes to invisibility

Hey Id be open to abduction if...........

1. Dylan didnt drop off the texting universe the night before.

2. Dad not looking for his son and taking a 2 hr nap.

3. Dad Not doing anything at all to find his son.

4. Dad saying there is his fishing pole missing.

Mark is not doing much of anything to find his son.

This is why I dont think a stranger took him.
There are a ton of other things to add to that list but i wont!