CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[Eileen730]

If MR was going to hide his son why not wait till the end of visit?

He couldnt because something happend sunday night!


JMO

 

[TxLady2]

Or someone Mark met online? not saying he does, but a lot of people meet now online. Maybe thought the person was ok, turned out to not be ok? Or the two agreed to hide Dylan?

Or a relative of a friend - someone that Mark didn't really know but knew through someone else, willing to take some money to keep Dylan out of sight for a while?

I think if Mark did hide Dylan this time, the situation has gotten much larger and out of his control than he ever expected, and he could be in a jam. I thought that when he was getting that tiny spark of emotion when Dr Phil offered to help him.

Exactly! There are other possibilities besides close family or friends that LE would be aware of. Maybe we're all just hoping against hope that Dylan is still alive, but until they find his body, we can't rule anything out.

You're right, too, if that did happen, then maybe now he realizes that after all this time he's in a heap of trouble. There would be kidnapping charges or custodial interference charges he would face and it might put him in jail for a long time. Maybe he's just not enough of a man to step up and do the right thing.

 

[SuziQ]

But since Dylan needed for MR to give him a ride how could MR not know?
Dylan was the one suggesting a time of 6:30 am to R. I believe MR had to know Dylan wanted to be there at 6:30 am.

I think something happened before Dylan had a chance to ask MR. Or in his rush to dispose, clean up, and stage, MR simply forgot that detail.

 

[Seek&Find]

This is not a "pity poor Mark" defense from me. This is me wondering what it would take to get everyone past this hook that "Mark did something."

SBM

IMO, there's no getting past "Mark did something", unless some evidence is released pointing to someone else, or someone else is arrested. It's the circumstances, combined with Mark's history, actions, and statements that cause people to believe Mark's involved.

It's telling that LE has said they have "a wealth of evidence", no named suspects, and would be watching the Dr Phil Show to glean info for the investigation, IMO.

Moo

 

[Seek&Find]

When do DP shows air?

Depends on one's area/provider. Some places in the AM, some places 3 or 4 in the afternoon.

 

[Eileen730]

IMO MR had no clue about Dylan's 6:30am plans before he made the statement about 7:30am. I think he found out from LE after his statement and by that time it's too late to change his story.

I know there is a msm article out there that mark says dylan was to meet his friend at 6 30

 

[*Lash*]

But since Dylan needed for MR to give him a ride how could MR not know?
Dylan was the one suggesting a time of 6:30 am to R. I believe MR had to know Dylan wanted to be there at 6:30 am.

Maybe MR knew it was what Dylan wanted, but had no plans of following through? Did MR know Dylan communicated the 6:30 time to R?

 

[raz]

Could someone please put up a link to the dp shows? when I try to watch on doc phil .com It starts and stops and is not the whole show.
Thanks

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I don't understand LE's reluctance either. Organizations like Texas Equusearch have experience in searching the lakes and such. I don't know if Dylan is anywhere near the lake, but there have been multiple cadaver dogs in the area, so something is decomposing in there.

Apparently Bender feels that the previous search of the lake by divers and sonar has proven the HRD dogs are wrong.

On Wednesday, Bender said several TV stations had called the Sheriff's Office about a rumor that Dylan's body had been found.

The rumor originated on the “Find Missing Dylan Redwine” Facebook page, with a posting that said cadaver dogs hired by the Redwines “obviously think there is a cadaver in the lake.”

Bender said the dogs had been wrong before, and Dylan remained officially at large.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...edwines’-Dr-Phil-appearance-delivers-drama--#

 

[mmmagique]

I have no idea - it was a theory that includes a dead or malfunctioning cell phone. I didn't realise MR had called the landline as well? I think there is a chance that Dylan could have slept quite late that morning, if he was indeed overtired from little to no sleep on the Saturday night before his day of travel to Durango on Sunday. In that case he could have slept through phone calls (my sons do all the time). He could have woken close to the time he was expecting MR and grabbed his gear ready to go.

FWIW When my boys have friends over during holidays, and have a big night on the xbox (as in up until the wee hours of the morning) - the following night they sleep like logs for about 12 hours or more. Just mentioning it because I have seen others dismiss this as though a 13 year old, being young and fit would not possibly sleep in either intentionally or accidentally, which in my experience is not true.

Someone pages back questioned the notion that Dylans phone was "old" and implied that it was a rumour that had grown legs and been perpetuated here - sorry, it was in this thread somewhere but I can't recall who the poster was. Anyway regarding this - IIRC Elaine mentioned that Dylan wanted a new smartphone, as he had "outgrown" his little flip phone. IMO if he outgrew it, it would be safe to guess that he had the phone for more than a few months or so. I'd certainly not be expecting my sons to outgrow their phones in short time frame at least. There was also her reference to it "smoking" when he was texting a lot, which I never took literally to believe there was any sign of actual smoke, but rather that it may have been hot to the touch from overuse or something similar.

:moo:

We have no way of knowing how old the phone was, as that's never been alluded to by either parent.

I believe the "texting until the phone smoked" was a turn of phrase, just meaning he texted a lot. Not anything to do with whether or not the phone got hot. (also, it's been my experience that while talking on the phone may cause it to heat up, texting does not)

 

[jjenny]

Maybe MR knew it was what Dylan wanted, but had no plans of following through? Did MR know Dylan communicated the 6:30 time to R?

MR had to know. Dylan would need a ride.
I presume that after MR told Dylan it was too late to visit friends in the evening, Dylan would ask him if it would be o'key to visit R at 6:30 am.
Before asking R if he could visit him at 6:30 am.
Otherwise, how could he schedule it, considering he had no ability to get there himself?

 

[jjenny]

We have no way of knowing how old the phone was, as that's never been alluded to by either parent.

I believe the "texting until the phone smoked" was a turn of phrase, just meaning he texted a lot. Not anything to do with whether or not the phone got hot. (also, it's been my experience that while talking on the phone may cause it to heat up, texting does not)

Yes, I am pretty sure that phone was not emitting smoke.
It's just an expression meaning Dylan was an avid texter.

 

[TxLady2]

I believe that TES will only come in with LE's permission. For some reason LE seems uninterested? I can't for the life of me figure out why?

At this point I see two things that need to happen. Mark needs to take another polygraph and the lake needs to be searched. Only then are we going to be on the way to getting answers. IMO

We need to know whether or not that is Dylan in the lake, and I absolutely believe there is a body in that lake.

We need to see Mark take a polygraph so we will know if he is or is not involved. Although IMO the answer to this is pretty obvious.

Some LE don't trust Tim Miller. I'm not saying that's the reason here because I don't know, but I've posted this before. Tim's credibility was shot when he inserted himself into the Haleigh Cummings investigation. They could very well not want him to do the same thing here. I don't blame them, if that's true. I know that's hard for some to understand because Tim is such an upstanding guy and has devoted his life to helping find the missing. But LE wants to contain their investigations among their own people that they can trust, and a lot of them just don't trust Tim.
FWIW, I respect Tim a lot, but I predicted this would happen and so did Marc Klass, and there is a man who ought to know how far to go in these cases.

 

[cluciano63]

The alleged person holding Dylan would be facing serious prison time. The longer this goes (if this was happening) the less this person can believably argue that they did not know Dylan was reported missing, did not know there was a police investigation and who knows how many thousands of dollars and man hours devoted to looking for him, or that ultimately they were participating in a felony. IMO they would have to fully complicit after all this time, meaning they are devoted to MR for some reason, and therefore should not be "unfindable" by FBI after three-plus months. MR does not appear to have the funds it would take to get a disinterested party to take on a felony act like this.

 

[mmmagique]

These are all theories that have been discussed by some and dismissed by others many times over the past months. None of them are outrageously unbelievable or so 'way out there' as to be ridiculous IMO. They are theories, and opinions, which again ... are all we have in the absence of any other facts.

I don't believe anyone has ever implied he just took off for a hike. He could have taken his seemingly lightly packed backpack with him as he was planning to spend a night or perhaps more at his friends place.

I'm not sure where the notion comes from that predators will only ever be lurking in some pre-determined or predictable locations. If that is the case how do they not all end up being caught and whisked off our streets?

Coincidences happen all the time - it's only in retrospect that we recognise or label them as coincidences. One could surmise that a court ordered visit > Dylan by some accounts not keen to go > frowny face on text to mum > disappearing and/or being killed by father within 24 hours of arriving is also an absolutely awful and coincidental sequence of events - yet there seems to be no issue with believing it is at all possible.

Below is an unsolved case of a missing teen that happened when I was a child. It happened outside a rural town, on a track through a sugar cane farm, with her brothers following close behind and no other witnesses -



Courier Mail, July 16 2011

I just needed to point out that this stuff just happens! I'm sure any of us really thought about it we could all think of more cases like this. Even if stats show it isn't very common, that's no reason to dismiss a stranger abduction as almost impossible in any given case.

:moo:

I agree, catswhiskers, sometimes this stuff does just happen. The problem is, with all the other coincidences, dad is behaving as if his ex wife's cat disappeared...not his youngest child. This is all very concerning, but it always comes back to the last known person to see DR.

 

[cluciano63]

Why use dogs at all if you are not going to believe them?

 

[NC Analyzer]

SBM

IMO, there's no getting past "Mark did something", unless some evidence is released pointing to someone else, or someone else is arrested. It's the circumstances, combined with Mark's history, actions, and statements that cause people to believe Mark's involved.

It's telling that LE has said they have "a wealth of evidence", no named suspects, and would be watching the Dr Phil Show to glean info for the investigation, IMO.

Moo

I agree. I've been a bit worried about LE until I looked at the big picture again. They know....and my bet is, they've always known. JMO, but when looking at everything they have done and said, (especially and including the things NOT done or SAID), that alone gives me the answer. They have their POI. They just haven't named him...and most likely they won't because they see this foolish man running around giving interviews and going on tv shows and they know he is his own worst enemy. (something I've been saying from the beginning) All signs point to this. The only question that remains is if there is enough circumstantial evidence for the DA to present a case....and for that, I believe the waiting game has been extended to finding a body. If and when that happens, I expect we might see some quick action. :moo:

 

[TxJan1971]

I know there is a msm article out there that mark says dylan was to meet his friend at 6 30

R: So you went to run errands. Were you going to take him with you to run errands?

Mark: Well, there was some discussion he had with me the night before about leaving with me so I could drop him off in the Bayfield area with one of his friends that had been trying to text him or that he had been communicating with. As he had indicated to me he had been up until 4 o'clock in the morning the night before, he was tired from being in the airport most of the day in his travel from Colorado Springs to Durango. I laughed at him kind of jokingly because I know him. If he ain't got to get up, he's not likely to get up. And he's not the type of kid who's going to get up at 6:30 if he doesn't have to. But you know, his friends are important and I know they're important me. So there was a possibility but it doesn't surprise me he elected to not get up when I left. And when I left, he acknowledged everything I was saying to him and that I would be back. He knew when I came back that I would be working on getting him down to his friends. And that's part of the struggle we all have, you know, what happened to him between the time I left and when I got back. And that's what nobody seems to be able to answer.

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/...z/-/index.html

 

[eileenhawkeye]

One of the next things I am hoping for, that results from this Dr. Phil show appearance, is that other national media will start reporting on the case, or give Elaine some airtime. I did a Google Search for recent articles about Dylan, and they are still all local. There was a Huffington Post article though, so that is good. With the Dr. Phil show, it's better exposure to media producers than sending an e-mail.

 

[TxLady2]

Hmm, I don't know. I can make a call, but it drops within seconds if it ever even connects. We had the same issue when we had Verizon, so maybe it's just me. lol

Sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I had a flip phone several years ago that I could use inside the house with no problem. My hubby's phone was identical and he couldn't use his inside at all. Then he got another type, same thing. Then I got a slider phone, and hated it because I couldn't even send a text inside the house. Now I have another flip phone and have to stand in front of the door or a window to use it. His is the same model and he has to go outside. My son can send texts if he holds his phone up to his window but to get a call he has to go outside. So... my conclusion is, it's not you, it's the phone itself. It can be the same model and type of phone and still won't work.
My SIL lives out in the country too, and she and her husband and all 6 of her kids have different phones, different styles, and NONE of them can get a signal inside her house.
Go figure.:banghead: