CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #40

[NC Analyzer]

Doesn't matter, they can't arrest him for failing a polygraph!!! That's just not enough to get an arrest warrant, I'm sorry but that's fact. If that was all LE was waiting on, they could have arrested him back in the beginning.

Even if he had failed it, he would STILL not have looked as bad as he did by refusing it. Those polygraphs are not going to clear him, nor send him to jail, I don't care what anybody tells you. Yes, LE will say they will help clear their name, but that is just to get them to cooperate. They can still investigate a person even if they passed a poly. The poly alone does not always advance a case one way or the other. I know this, my son has dealt with a lot of cases and this is what he told me. He ran the CID (Criminal Investigation) here for over 10 years, he knows what he is talking about!

I agree. The poly isn't the "end game" as many would have us believe. It's simply a tool....and when I got to thinking, I started considering some LE tactics, and I'm just throwing this out there to see what others think:

There is a task force, and IMO, it would consist of someone from the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit...at the very least, if not directly assigned to the task force, there would be someone available to consult on this case.

MR behavior is not "unusual" in terms of what the profilers from the BAU see routinely. The question is, how do they "handle" this personality type? We may actually be seeing some of their strategy playing out:

The mysterious fishing pole....one is coincidentally found and discounted.

The dog hits....mysteriously discounted. (Brush?? comon)

The "Last Electronic Communication (texting)"....confusing in itself, in light of when that information was released and the "fuzzy" nature of the wording.

LE's own "nonchalance" regarding the case. (mimicking the possible POI's behavior?)

Their "tolerance" and "no comment" attitude about the rising pressure on MR from the community...as if to condone those acts, (which usually isn't done).

I think this list could be much longer...Anyone?


One of the best ways to deal with someone like MR is to do exactly what they do...Divert, Distract, Deflect. Keep them off balance. If they attempt to "lead" the investigation with "clues"...discount those clues. When they attempt to confuse issues, confuse them. So on and so on....

I see strategy at work here....
(I hope)

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Equusearch wouldn't cost them anything. If that is their concern.

There is a lot of ego and politics involved in bringing in outside resources. Some LE don't like it at all.

 

[pattywack]

There is something decomposing. It doesn't mean its Dylan.

Praying and hoping it's not Dylan but these dogs are trained to detect human remains.

 

[Ronald99]

I am sure it can be done, and if LE firmly believed Dylan was in the lake, more would be done.
LE isn't going to wait around if they beleived body was in the lake. The longer they wait, the more evidence gets degraded.

Those small one or two man subs, why can't something like that be Requested in the search for Dylan, I'm sure the water temperature wouldn't be a concern, plus the underwater lighting and video.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I agree. The poly isn't the "end game" as many would have us believe. It's simply a tool....and when I got to thinking, I started considering some LE tactics, and I'm just throwing this out there to see what others think:

There is a task force, and IMO, it would consist of someone from the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit...at the very least, if not directly assigned to the task force, there would be someone available to consult on this case.

MR behavior is not "unusual" in terms of what the profilers from the BAU see routinely. The question is, how do they "handle" this personality type? We may actually be seeing some of their strategy playing out:

The mysterious fishing pole....one is coincidentally found and discounted.

The dog hits....mysteriously discounted. (Brush?? comon)

The "Last Electronic Communication (texting)"....confusing in itself, in light of when that information was released and the "fuzzy" nature of the wording.

LE's own "nonchalance" regarding the case. (mimicking the possible POI's behavior?)

Their "tolerance" and "no comment" attitude about the rising pressure on MR from the community...as if to condone those acts, (which usually isn't done).

I think this list could be much longer...Anyone?


One of the best ways to deal with someone like MR is to do exactly what they do...Divert, Distract, Deflect. Keep them off balance. If they attempt to "lead" the investigation with "clues"...discount those clues. When they attempt to confuse issues, confuse them. So on and so on....

I see strategy at work here....
(I hope)

And I hate to admit it and it may hurt some of our ego's but I can't help but think that these highly trained professionals are better at doing this kind of stuff than we are!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Respectfully I disagree. Cost is always a huge factor. And safety of the divers.

Why doesn't LE just say that if that's the case? Why do they dismiss the HRD dog alerts?

 

[Seek&Find]

I am sure it can be done, and if LE firmly believed Dylan was in the lake, more would be done.
LE isn't going to wait around if they beleived body was in the lake. The longer they wait, the more evidence gets degraded.

You've made it quite clear for months that you believe it's impossible for Dylan to be in the lake, but I haven't seen why you're adamant about it??

I believe it's possible and perhaps likely he is in the lake. Many of us discussed this yesterday. After the initial two hits from cadaver dogs, recover divers did search. Not for long. They continued to fly over the lakes. Winter hit, and the lake froze over. IMO, nothing between the freeze and the recent K9 Forensics hit made LE "firmly believe" he was in the lake, but IMO their actions show they do consider it a possibility. The supposedly dismissive statements from LE recently were paraphrased, and unclear especially amidst the poor reporting. I don't think LE is ignoring the hits. Last we've heard is everyone's considering how to search the lake. In case they were missed, some of us also discussed reasons LE might be downplaying the lead yesterday, if they are even doing so.

IMO, the lake will be searched soon. I hope it's searched for as long as it takes to find the source of human cadaver scent.

Moo

 

[jjenny]

You've made it quite clear for months that you believe it's impossible for Dylan to be in the lake, but I haven't seen why you're adamant about it??

I believe it's possible and perhaps likely he is in the lake. Many of us discussed this yesterday. After the initial two hits from cadaver dogs, recover divers did search. Not for long. They continued to fly over the lakes. Winter hit, and the lake froze over. IMO, nothing between the freeze and the recent K9 Forensics hit made LE "firmly believe" he was in the lake, but IMO their actions show they do consider it a possibility. The supposedly dismissive statements from LE recently were paraphrased, and unclear especially amidst the poor reporting. I don't think LE is ignoring the hits. Last we've heard is everyone's considering how to search the lake. In case they were missed, some of us also discussed reasons LE might be downplaying the lead yesterday, if they are even doing so.

IMO, the lake will be searched soon. I hope it's searched for as long as it takes to find the source of human cadaver scent.

Moo

That's absolutely false. I have never said it's impossible for Dylan to be in the lake.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Can I ask how you think he did it and where? I assume Sunday night before he got to the house?

I am not picking at your theory, I'm just trying to paint a picture in my mind.

He picks up Dylan, goes to Walmart and McDonald's then....?

MOO

I think that something happened probably after McDonald's but before they got back to the house. The reason I think it happened before they got to the house is that, as far as I know, none of Dylan's possessions from the backpack or clothing that he was wearing , and no signs of a struggle (tiny blood splatter, etc.),were found at the house. I don't think that MR would have been thinking clearly enough to clean everything without missing something.

I do wonder if MR used the opportunity of the long quiet ride home to confront Dylan about anything unpleasant or embarrassing he might have said about him (MR) to the judge in the custody hearing. (I believe it is customary to allow an older child to speak privately with the judge, I dont have a link), It had been a while since he last had Dylan to himself. Maybe he drove Dylan to some isolated spot and confronted him outside the car. I think he took the cell phone away before it happened. The 9:37 text...too easy to fake, it wasn't Dylan. MOO

Regardless of how it started, I believe that there was violence resulting in Dylan's injury or death. If anyone else knows anything, it's the girlfriend.

MOO


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[La Louve]

Just curious, has there ever been discussion of or attempt by Dylan's mother's to file civil charges against MR for violating the terms of the court ordered visitation? It might be a way to get MR under oath and either fess up or plead the 5th.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

And I keep reverting back to the Samantha Koenig case. So many people were dogging the Anchorage PD for doing nothing and what they were doing behind the scenes was brilliant and difficult and they brought down a serial killer! And it never would have been successful had all involved not kept their mouths shut! The BF and Father included.

 

[The Cheese]

In all, the tip line has received more than 370 calls, about 100 after the first show and 270 since the second show, said Dan Bender, spokesman for the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office.

The show itself may provide leads, he added.

“The investigators watched both shows,” Bender said Thursday. “We’re analyzing that. We are comparing what we already have in the investigation and what was discussed on the show to see if there’s anything new.”

Bender said the spike in calls started when the show was first advertised on television late last week.

“Some of them are people expressing their opinions, so this doesn’t mean that we have in excess of 300 new clues for the case,” he said. “It will take some time to sort through all of it.”



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[Meri]

So if a child has never been abducted in Vallecito before it isn't a possibility? It could never happen ever? I don't understand that logic at all. I wonder if LE is working on that premise? IMO a predator isn't going to pause and take note of whether or not a prospective victim is a local, occasional visitor or a one off day tripper either.
:moo:

The bottom line, in MY opinion, is if this happened, MR would have taken that lie detector in a heartbeat.

 

[absentia]

MOO

I think that something happened probably after McDonald's but before they got back to the house. The reason I think it happened before they got to the house is that, as far as I know, none of Dylan's possessions from the backpack or clothing that he was wearing , and no signs of a struggle (tiny blood splatter, etc.),were found at the house. I don't think that MR would have been thinking clearly enough to clean everything without missing something.

I do wonder if MR used the opportunity of the long quiet ride home to confront Dylan about anything unpleasant or embarrassing he might have said about him (MR) to the judge in the custody hearing. (I believe it is customary to allow an older child to speak privately with the judge, I dont have a link), It had been a while since he last had Dylan to himself. Maybe he drove Dylan to some isolated spot and confronted him outside the car. I think he took the cell phone away before it happened. The 9:37 text...too easy to fake, it wasn't Dylan. MOO

Regardless of how it started, I believe that there was violence resulting in Dylan's injury or death. If anyone else knows anything, it's the girlfriend.

MOO


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I think something may have happened at the campground. I do think DR was on the couch in the AM, and was not conscious or alive, but I feel like the crime scene may be at the campground.

 

[Eileen730]

MOO

I think that something happened probably after McDonald's but before they got back to the house. The reason I think it happened before they got to the house is that, as far as I know, none of Dylan's possessions from the backpack or clothing that he was wearing , and no signs of a struggle (tiny blood splatter, etc.),were found at the house. I don't think that MR would have been thinking clearly enough to clean everything without missing something.

I do wonder if MR used the opportunity of the long quiet ride home to confront Dylan about anything unpleasant or embarrassing he might have said about him (MR) to the judge in the custody hearing. (I believe it is customary to allow an older child to speak privately with the judge, I dont have a link), It had been a while since he last had Dylan to himself. Maybe he drove Dylan to some isolated spot and confronted him outside the car. I think he took the cell phone away before it happened. The 9:37 text...too easy to fake, it wasn't Dylan. MOO

Regardless of how it started, I believe that there was violence resulting in Dylan's injury or death. If anyone else knows anything, it's the girlfriend.

MOO


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I wonder if she is really an Ex or they are just saying that,
Mark did say We picked him up at the airport.

 

[findDylan]

I am super behind but one thing I have been thinking of is when MR said CR didn't k ow where the fishing pole was. That it is moved around (can't remember exect phrase and if I don't type this now I'll forget to later). It was inside by the tv (I think he said) and in the garage. Now who moves a fishing pole around the house when it isn't used for months? IMO MOO.

Now to go look at what exectly was said.

 

[absentia]

I wonder if she is really an Ex or they are just saying that,
Mark did say We picked him up at the airport.

he says "we" a lot when he's trying to avoid responsibility and spread blame. he could have had someone there (maybe that's why DR's unhappy modicon?) or is just saying "we" b/c something happened on the way home and he's trying to elude responsibility.

 

[absentia]

The only reason I can think of would be if it is more dangerous to retrieve it right now than it would be later, when weather conditions are better. How windy is it there? Would there be a danger shifting ice? Doesn't the water temperature have something to do with how deep the body will be in the lake? I think bodies float better when it is warmer. We need an expert!

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I also think bodies tend to come apart when they've been in water for a while, don't they? not that that would cause excess danger. I was just thinking the body in the water may not be intact.

WHY on earth, with dogs hitting very emphatically in the same place now as they did in the fall, are they not attempting recovery?

 

[Allusonz]

Why doesn't LE just say that if that's the case? Why do they dismiss the HRD dog alerts?

A few things come to mind.

LE might know of a study being conducted.

LE might know that it is a training spot for SAR.

It might even of been from a totally separate accident.

 

[Allusonz]

I wonder how many 13 year old joggers there would be in Vallecito that look like Dylan.

Dang there were only 2 separate sightings of this industrious lad jogging.