CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #43

[The Cheese]

Trimarco was just making a point!
He never had a parent of a missing child refuse the poly.
I dont think he was talking about Elaine at all.

He didn't say he's never had a parent of a missing child refuse a poly - he said mother and father, and if you watch the video, you see that he was very specific when he said it.

I don't know if he was referring to ER by mother. I would like to know.

 

[TxLady2]

Not necessarily!
What if they caught him in one of his inconclusions!
I dont think they need him to take another to be honest!
and LE not asking To me is not a good sign for MR.
Wont matter if they do because he WONT take it! imo

JMO

Not necessarily what? I'm not getting what you are saying.

I said they MAY or MAY NOT ask someone to take a 2nd one, if it was inconclusive. But they generally do if they failed the first one, it's SOP.

If they don't ask him to take another one, then to me that indicates they're pretty satisfied with the results of the first one. Generally, though, if they passed, then they do not ask them to take another one.

Elaine or Cory were not asked to take another one, so why would you think it's bad for Mark if they don't ask him to take the 2nd one?

 

[azgrandma]

Just catching up and wanted to make a couple of points.

IMO if MR had said anything to his Family Law attorney on Nov 19th that might incriminate him in Dylan's disappearance or had asked for any advice, that attorney would have recommended that he get a Criminal Defense attorney pronto. A Family Law attorney is not going to touch that IMO. Since MR did not get one and didn't "consult" with one until much later, probably on the advice of his Family Law attorney after the heat started to come down on him in social media at least, I'm of the opinion that he did not say anything to his Family Law attorney on Nov 19th. I'm sure he complained to him later, hence the "consultation" with a defense attorney.

I also believe that the point of the visit to that attorney that day was to get his income information to his attorney and to file papers to likely have that child support either reduced or overturned altogether. And I believe he hadn't made a payment yet and his attorney advised that he needed to make the payments until they could return to court.

MOO

That makes sense since he went to his payroll office just before that.

 

[Eileen730]

Why is everyone getting so technical about everything!
He failed his poly he created a fuss and they said ok we'll say its inconclusive lol
He wont take another one.
and I do think Dr P's statement meant that they never had a mother and a father of a missing person take a poly. If it was Elaine that said she wouldnt take it Dr P would have said so.
They know she passed it and has alibis for her whereabouts!

Now Mark on the other hand....... where was he ?

All JMO

it is what is!
Polys are used by LE every day all over america.
Id think if he failed it he would want to take another

 

[Eileen730]

Not necessarily what? I'm not getting what you are saying.

I said they MAY or MAY NOT ask someone to take a 2nd one, if it was inconclusive. But they generally do if they failed the first one, it's SOP.

If they don't ask him to take another one, then to me that indicates they're pretty satisfied with the results of the first one. Generally, though, if they passed, then they do not ask them to take another one.

Elaine or Cory were not asked to take another one, so why would you think it's bad for Mark if they don't ask him to take the 2nd one?

If they found evidence he was lying on his poly why ask him to take another one?
They wont!

And he wont take one either way as I see it!

 

[The Cheese]

After reading posts, pages back about footprints and ER, saying that DR had a distinctive sole, of course she would know his footprint because she probably cleaned up after him if he made a mess while walking into the house. This reminds me of my own children when they were young. We have always had a shoeless house but I remember a time or two when one of the boys would run into the house for something and they didn't take off their shoes and I could tell which boy it was by their shoe print, busted.

I always left perfect vacuum marks when we had carpeting before we left on vacation and I could tell in an instant if someone had been in the house.

I am sure by MR's messy house he never cared about people wearing shoes in the house. T o bad DR didn't leave some kind of a shoe print to let us know if he even made it to the house. When ER looked for shoe prints near the house why did she mention the lack of prints? Had it rained recently? Could she make out other prints? Is there dirt around the house?

Elaine looked outside on the road for Dylan's footprints, not inside MR's house.

There was no rain. There are pics that show the road outside MR's house, and there's a video that shows the road all the way to the lake. I can't remember which news site the pics are on, but the video is on KOAT.

 

[Eileen730]

Ya know guys Im sorry I just feel MR is responsible for what has happend to Dylan.
Poly or no Poly he does not act like an innocent man.

JMO

he really has done nothing to clear himself nor find his son!.

jmo

 

[Eileen730]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNUHI--tmnI"]Dr. Phil - The Search for Dylan Redwine: Part 2 (Feb. 27th, 2013) - YouTube[/ame]

Interesting to watch again!
this man wears ya down!

 

[Eileen730]

Elaine looked outside on the road for Dylan's footprints, not inside MR's house.

There was no rain. There are pics that show the road outside MR's house, and there's a video that shows the road all the way to the lake. I can't remember which news site the pics are on, but the video is on KOAT.

Ya know they have stressed this no footprint thing over and over obviously
there is a place where footprints would have to be noticed. Otherwise I dont think they would mention it.

jmo

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Trimarco was just making a point!
He never had a parent of a missing child refuse the poly.
I dont think he was talking about Elaine at all.

BBM

Of course this is correct. He was referring to parents (Mothers and Fathers) of other missing children, not Elaine.

I don't think MR not taking the poly on DP is as big of a deal as his strange theatrics surrounding the taking of the poly. That's why I don't think anyone who hasn't actually seen the show can understand the full impact of what occurred.

If he would have just flat out refused to take the DP poly from the get go, I wouldn't think it was that big of a deal. You have to watch to understand.

It's kind of funny that some will only trust LE's word, but in the next breath accuse LE of lying to MR about the results of his poly.

MR stated that the polygraph examiner for LE was not qualified to do the test. LE quickly made a statement saying that was not so.
So who's lying here?

 

[azgrandma]

Quote:
Originally Posted by katydid23
How about family members? Cory has said many times that his father has been asked to take another poly, but refuses. Is that allowed ?

No -- unless Cory has said it in MSM.

I have that question tonight. I see lots of posters stating it as fact that LE asked MR to take another poly - but I haven't seen that in MSM or on Dr.Phil. Did I miss something?

Salem

http://www.gazette.com/articles/missing-151587-brother-monument.html
This one ^^^^could be referring to the DP poly.
There was another video but I can't find it, it was around Dylan's birthday IIRC where they interviewed Cory & Elaine sitting on the couch. Can someone help me out in finding it???? tia

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

IMO MR's strange display of theatrics regarding the taking of the poly was much more damning then if he would have taken the poly and failed. I think we got to see just what Elaine and LE have been dealing with and MR's deranged mind.

A poly is not admissible in court but I'll bet the DP tapes would be. For me it's not so much that he refused it, it's the way he went about it.

As DP stated, if he's not involved there's something very wrong with him. I couldn't agree more.

So IMO this was more telling than a failed poly. Poly's are not 100% accurate but video tapes don't lie.

 

[mijamawi]

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/A-boy’s-life--

Are you wanting to view the posted text messages between Dylan and Ryan ?

If this wasn't what you were seeking, my apologies !!

Hey Ronald, I was talking about the texts from MR to CR. I do appreciate you finding this though.

Why is everyone getting so technical about everything!He failed his poly he created a fuss and they said ok we'll say its inconclusive lol
He wont take another one.
and I do think Dr P's statement meant that they never had a mother and a father of a missing person take a poly. If it was Elaine that said she wouldnt take it Dr P would have said so.
They know she passed it and has alibis for her whereabouts!

Now Mark on the other hand....... where was he ?

All JMO

it is what is!
Polys are used by LE every day all over america.
Id think if he failed it he would want to take another

BBM Sorry, I had to lol at that. I'm a technical person. I don't do things willy nilly. Before I put myself in a position that I can't in good conscience turn back from, I need to know facts. Not half truths, not assumptions cold hard FACTS.

BBM

Of course this is correct. He was referring to parents (Mothers and Fathers) of other missing children, not Elaine.

I don't think MR not taking the poly on DP is as big of a deal as his strange theatrics surrounding the taking of the poly. That's why I don't think anyone who hasn't actually seen the show can understand the full impact of what occurred.

If he would have just flat out refused to take the DP poly from the get go, I wouldn't think it was that big of a deal. You have to watch to understand.
It's kind of funny that some will only trust LE's word, but in the next breath accuse LE of lying to MR about the results of his poly.

MR stated that the polygraph examiner for LE was not qualified to do the test. LE quickly made a statement saying that was not so.
So who's lying here?

I agree totally with the above bolded. As far as trusting LE's word, I think it's very common for them to stretch the truth when interrogating someone or with what they put out to the public. I had feelings very early on that the broken pole could be significant. I think LE has to do what they need to do to not jeopardize their case.

 

[The Cheese]

Quote:
Originally Posted by katydid23
How about family members? Cory has said many times that his father has been asked to take another poly, but refuses. Is that allowed ?




http://www.gazette.com/articles/missing-151587-brother-monument.html
This one ^^^^could be referring to the DP poly.
There was another video but I can't find it, it was around Dylan's birthday IIRC where they interviewed Cory & Elaine sitting on the couch. Can someone help me out in finding it???? tia

If it's the gold couch, it's on KRDO if it's the one I'm thinking of. It's around January 9th.

 

[Eileen730]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eileen730
Why is everyone getting so technical about everything!He failed his poly he created a fuss and they said ok we'll say its inconclusive lol
He wont take another one.
and I do think Dr P's statement meant that they never had a mother and a father of a missing person take a poly. If it was Elaine that said she wouldnt take it Dr P would have said so.
They know she passed it and has alibis for her whereabouts!

Now Mark on the other hand....... where was he ?

All JMO

it is what is!
Polys are used by LE every day all over america.
Id think if he failed it he would want to take another

BBM Sorry, I had to lol at that. I'm a technical person. I don't do things willy nilly. Before I put myself in a position that I can't in good conscience turn back from, I need to know facts. Not half truths, not assumptions cold hard FACTS


But we are not going to get any facts out of MR.
and for technically wondering about the statment on dr phil about a mother and a father not taking a poly is theyway one reads it. Elaine passed her poly Mark didnt and as you listen later on that video they say Mark is the only father of a missing child to not take the poly.

And I like facts also but this poly stuff is moot at this point because he wont take another one as I see it!
All JMO

 

[SCHMAE]

Interactions and Reactions

• A guilty person gets defensive. An innocent person will often go on the offensive.

• A liar is uncomfortable facing his questioner/accuser and may turn his head or body away.

• A liar might unconsciously place objects (book, coffee cup, etc.) between themselves and you

A gun?

A necktie ?

 

[Eileen730]

I think this is it!

http://www.krdo.com/news/Redwine-fa...ance/-/417220/18076238/-/npdmtsz/-/index.html

 

[Eileen730]

A necktie ?

LOL I was talking about the gun on the table in the MB interview!

 

[azgrandma]

IMO MR agreeing to take a poly and then backing out (as other fine ws members have stated) is more damaging than flat out refusing.

I'm curious, when reading MSM and watching DP, whom and when do you take a person's word? LE, ER, CR and MR have all made statements regarding a LDT. ER, CR & MR all said that the first one was inconclusive/failed. All three have corrected it from failed to inconclusive. ER & CR both said that MR would not take a second poly. MR did not take a second poly on DP.
IMO it doesn't matter to me WHEN (days after the first LDT or on DP) MR was asked to take a 2nd and WHO (DP or LE) asked MR. What matters to me is THAT MR was asked to take a 2nd LDT, MR accepted and then MR refused three additional offers. IMO, MR himself has been offered and refused so IMO that backs up what ER & CR said previously - that he has refused to take another LDT.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I agree totally with the above bolded. As far as trusting LE's word, I think it's very common for them to stretch the truth when interrogating someone or with what they put out to the public. I had feelings very early on that the broken pole could be significant. I think LE has to do what they need to do to not jeopardize their case.

Snipped by me for space

I agree that LE might not always be completely forthcoming and honest with information. I just find it funny that some think every statement they make publicly is indeed fact, but on the other hand state that LE might lie to MR about his polygraph results.

I think it's absolutely possible that LE told MR he failed his poly when perhaps he didn't and likewise I think it's absolutely possible that LE told the public that the fishing pole wasn't Dylan's when perhaps it was.