CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #46

[SCHMAE]

But then i do not see a shred of evidence that points to anybody else besides Mark


:cow:

Honestly I don't see a shred of evidence PERIOD. There is nothing except circumstantial and plenty of it to go any direction. I just hope one of those tests produced an actual physical ' shred' of something. :moo:

 

[Kimster]

Many thanks to LE for releasing that presser. And I think you guys are analyzing it the same ways that I've been reading the information.

I'd like to know how much investigators know about that time frame from when MR went to run errands and when he got back. I don't get a chance to read every post so please fill me in if MR has mentioned what errands he ran that day? The post office was one, right? Or no?

 

[asyousay]

Many thanks to LE for releasing that presser. And I think you guys are analyzing it the same ways that I've been reading the information.

I'd like to know how much investigators know about that time frame from when MR went to run errands and when he got back. I don't get a chance to read every post so please fill me in if MR has mentioned what errands he ran that day? The post office was one, right? Or no?

Work was the first stop and then did he not go back to Walmart ?


eta - Lawyers office

 

[mixologist74]

BBM

Not sure what you're saying here (last paragraph) -- it's late -- maybe my eyes aren't working properly.

But I hear you on some of your other points. Kind of like people wouldn't accept the idea of cell service at MR's house, even when we had various forms of confirmation of it, or the previous statements by LE that had seemed to rule out the mail lady's sighting. I'm sure some people are still thinking that DR ran away, even though that was discounted by LE quite a while back.

Frustrating!

IMO, JMO

LE may have discounted it, but they aren't mind readers either. I still think it's very possible that Dylan took off.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Many thanks to LE for releasing that presser. And I think you guys are analyzing it the same ways that I've been reading the information.

I'd like to know how much investigators know about that time frame from when MR went to run errands and when he got back. I don't get a chance to read every post so please fill me in if MR has mentioned what errands he ran that day? The post office was one, right? Or no?

All I know is the lawyer's office and his employer. I believe he stated he made a phone call to his property management company too. He said he tried to get a hold of Dylan to see what else they needed at Walmart but I don't know that he actually went there since he couldn't get a hold of him.

 

[SCHMAE]

Atty office and employer for sure. All others are guesses. Now he said he was calling/texting Dylan to see what / if he needed anything, which may have implied he'd stop at a grocery/walmart, but I don't know that he ever did since obviously Dylan never answered and said ' yes get oreos' . But in addition to wondering how his demeanor/ appearance were at lawyer and job office, now I'm wondering how his demeanor was at the Marshalls office , if he indeed spoke to a live person there.

 

[ColdHands]

Honestly I don't see a shred of evidence PERIOD. There is nothing except circumstantial and plenty of it to go any direction. I just hope one of those tests produced an actual physical ' shred' of something. :moo:

BBM - I was planning to write something very similar to this.
What I see is confirmation of times and places that various people were, and identification of some times and places that cannot yet be confirmed, for example what time and where Mark last saw Dylan. They learned from Mark that it was 7:30 at the house, but I do not believe the press release offers confirmation of that statement.
MOO

 

[song22]

The somehow would be easy. Dylan wasn't a baby, and was fully capable of walking out the front door by himself, especially with Mark not home.

I think what some people are saying is that there isn't any evidence that he left the house (as in scent that dog's picked up). There was a rumor that dogs picked up a scent leading down the road. This would be evidence that Dylan, as you say, walked right out. But with the press release and the wording of "somehow", some people are thinking that dogs did not pick up a scent walking out of the house. JMO

 

[mixologist74]

I believe that Mark is the prime suspect. They just will not announce that publicly until they have their ducks in a row. I hope that happens someday.

But after watching so many similar cases over the years, it may never happen.

RIP Ayla, Hailey, Haileigh, Baby Lisa, Kyron, Cecillia, Isabel, and so many more sweet souls. :rose: :star: :rose: :star: :rose: :star:

I disagree, but that is MOO. I need more cold, hard facts to go on before I condemn the man. Thus far, I see little fact, and a whole lot of opinion.

 

[TxLady2]

You know I am thinking about this and I have come to this conclusion: I would feel absolutely certain that LE was 100 per cent convinced that Mark did something to Dylan if they released something that stated this specifically: "After a considerable investigation we have come to the conclusion that Mark Redwine knows what happened to his son Dylan Redwine." The fact that they continue to skirt around naming him a POI has me convinced they are not 100 per cent certain that Mark is the guy, which is why they are leaving room for the "unknown" element. Isn't the whole issue of not naming him a suspect for legal purposes, as in, being sued if they are wrong?

Not entirely, although that is a big part of it. They do not want to tip their hand too quickly. Until they have enough evidence to arrest somebody they want to keep their suspect in the dark as much as possible, so they won't do something stupid like run for the border, or shoot themselves.
These investigations are overseen by the DA, and that's who makes the decision of whether or not they have enough to make an arrest, not LE. Until the DA gives their okay to charge somebody, LE has to keep everything on the down low, otherwise some smart defense attorney will tear it to shreds and claim they had tunnel vision, their client was falsely persecuted, LE never even investigated anyone else, failed to follow up on sightings and tips, and probably a dozen more things they can think up.
They may know a whole lot more than we do... or they may not be much closer than they were 3 months ago. Who knows? I stopped trying to second-guess them a long time ago.

 

[SCHMAE]

I disagree, but that is MOO. I need more cold, hard facts to go on before I condemn the man. Thus far, I see little fact, and a whole lot of opinion.

An accusation is a far cry from a condemnation. Many have said ( not you ) that they're just not ready to ' convict' him and language like that. No one is convicting him. First comes accusation, followed by gathering evidence, then a grand jury decides if it's enough to go to trial where a JURY will convict or acquit. So I have no problem ' accusing' him, but with what we know today there is no way I could convict or condemn him. For four months time, with no more than we know, assuming there is no other evidence, MR is sitting pretty good to be acquitted. :moo:

 

[TxLady2]

I don't think anyone missed it; it seems that people are pointing out that it appears that MR did not file a _report_. Rather, he asked if the Marshals had _seen_ him (Dylan).

IMO, JMO

Perhaps he was told he could not file a report there since it was not in their jurisdiction and they directed him to go to the sheriff's office. Then once he got there, it was learned that Elaine had already called the SD and made an initial report, so he just didn't think there was a need to file another report, or they combined the two reports.
I don't think I would say that he did not report him missing... he did try, IMO, he just went to the wrong agency. It's not like he sat back and never made an attempt to report it at all. JMHO

 

[TxLady2]

IIRC I don't think MR has ever clearly stated that he actually talked to anyone at the Marshall's office did he? He attempted to, but that is not necessarily the same as actually speaking to someone.

Uh... yes he did, in that interview (with MB I think), he is talking about what he told them, that they have to find him, etc. So he did actually talk to someone. Go back a page or two, someone posted several quotes from him regarding what he said to them.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Dylan was reported missing on Monday, November 19, 2012, when Dylan’s mother, Elaine Redwine, contacted the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office at about 5:30 PM to report that Dylan was missing from his father’s home in Vallecito. Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan, and he then contacted Elaine asking if she had heard from Dylan.


Investigators learned that Mark met Dylan at the Durango-La Plata County Airport at about 5:45 PM Sunday, November 18th. Investigators confirmed that Dylan arrived at Mark’s home on Sunday at about 8:00 PM after stops at Wal-Mart and McDonald’s in Durango.

Investigators learned that Mark has said he last saw Dylan at around 7:30 AM Monday, November 19, 2012 at his home in Vallecito when Mark left for Durango to run errands. Investigators have also learned Mark returned home at about 11:30 AM and discovered that Dylan was gone.

Mark’s and Dylan’s interactions and activities within the community on November 18th and 19th, as well as tips related to persons, locations and sightings remain under investigation.

Investigators continue to seek information and evidence from the public to determine whether something happened to Dylan at the home or whether he somehow left the home and something happened to him away from the home.

Investigators are asking for information from anyone who may have been at their Vallecito homes or traveling in Vallecito on CR 500 or CR 501 between 7:00 PM Sunday, November 18th and 7:00 PM on Monday, November 19th.

If citizens feel they saw or heard any activity during this time frame that was not normal for their neighborhood they are asked to call the local Dylan Tip Line (970-382-7511) to leave a message and contact information. The Dylan Tip Line is checked frequently by Investigators.


BBM and snipped by me. I have bolded what I consider to be the important verbs and narrative portions above. Great difference between confirmed, learned and said. Which is the strongest? Weakest? Much like the discussion of how "somehow" negates the "left the house" portion of this press release, "said" is the bare minimum of endorsement that LE can give to MR's account of seeing Dylan on Monday AM. Not confirmed, not reported, but said. Add to that an emphasis on not only the lake area in a 24 hour period (12 hours of which Dylan was to be in MR's care) but the "interactions and activities" of both MR and Dylan on Sunday in public and I think LE is looking seriously at the hours they can confirm Dylan's whereabouts. Yes, they may want to know if others were with them, they may want to know if others were following them, they may want to know if anyone creepy was doing anything creepy in Vallecito Sunday night. But I read this as a very close inspection of MR's words and deeds and a prelude to closer scrutiny. What LE and most of us have no doubt about is that "something happened" to Dylan.

 

[asyousay]

Nobody on here has been able to explain away the glaringly lack of communication from Dylan on Monday . Elaine has stated that Dylan was a avid texter and we can see from Sunday night he was in contact with friends and texting away .

This is why I don't believe he was randomally abducted when he set out on foot as he would of contracted R that morning if he was able to .

:cow:

 

[scorekeeper]

LOL! And the marshall heard ' hey dude, do you know a good burger place in town. I had a salad for lunch but I'm still hungry. Did you watch dancing with the stars last night? Look a bird ' !

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[mixologist74]

I think what some people are saying is that there isn't any evidence that he left the house (as in scent that dog's picked up). There was a rumor that dogs picked up a scent leading down the road. This would be evidence that Dylan, as you say, walked right out. But with the press release and the wording of "somehow", some people are thinking that dogs did not pick up a scent walking out of the house. JMO

I think that those people could be wrong. I read also that that dogs picked up a scent leading down the road.

 

[scorekeeper]

MR talks about going to Marshall's Office during MB Interview:

MR:
"As I was going down to Bayfield to check with Ryan, who I found at his friend Fernando’s house, and as soon as I went to Fernan…’cos I don’t know where all of them live –- but I knew a couple of ‘em live -- enough to get pointed in the right direction. First place I went, Boom… there’s Ryan and Fernando, and first words out of their mouth, “We haven’t heard from Dylan all day.”

That’s when it hit me that something wasn’t right, and I immediately went to the Marshall’s office in Bayfield.

Melissa Blasius:
Do you remember what you told them?

Mark Redwine:
Well, I told them that I hadn’t heard from Dylan all day and I didn’t think much of it and when I got down to the Marshall’s Office or to his friend Ryan’s house or Fernando…anyway... when I ran across his friends and they hadn’t heard from him – then that’s when I went over to the Marshall’s Office and told them that, you know, we need to find him, make contact with him. They were going to put out like a wellness check or they just notify the local authorities to keep an eye out for him and make contact with him so somebody can “bang him in the head” and say, “Hey, your dad’s trying to get a hold of you. Your friends are trying to get a hold of you. You need to communicate to somebody.

But at that moment in time…, I felt the need to address this issue with mom, so I immediately asked her had she heard from him and indicated to her that I hadn’t heard from him all day and that I was at the Marshall’s office taking care of this, and that’s when pretty much all hell broke loose with her.

above is the post of Mark talking during his interview

here's what the Press Release stated:

Mark Redwine, Dylan’s father, had previously contacted the Bayfield Marshal’s Office on the 19th attempting to learn if they had seen Dylan,

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[Emma Ems]

How do you think MR was able to come in if office closes at 3 pm?

Our local PD closes up doors early too, one of the perks of living in the sticks, but there are officers on duty who will come meet up with you where ever you are. If he as at the office, they may have met him at the office.

 

[SCHMAE]

Nobody on here has been able to explain away the glaringly lack of communication from Dylan on Monday . Elaine has stated that Dylan was a avid texter and we can see from Sunday night he was in contact with friends and texting away .

This is why I don't believe he was randomally abducted when he set out on foot as he would of contracted R that morning if he was able to .

:cow:

The only thing I can think of to address that lack of texting on Monday morning is that MR somehow disabled/smashed/threw out DR's phone the evening before or even that morning. That could also give him loads of guilt of removing his only means of communicating with NO idea he would be missing and now knowing that if DR only had that phone , even working for just the first 30 minutes after he ' left ' home then the pings would give some indication of which direction he was headed. This is a stretch and a straw grasp for sure, but it's about the only way I can see to make MR innocent and DR still with no phone. If that is the case, I would hope MR has told LE this. It's highly unlikely, but it could happen. I could win the lotto tonight too