CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #47

[tamild]

Was he? Do you know him personally? I don't, but I would really like to know if someone that knows him personally thinks this is just normal behavior for him.

Nope, I don't know him. Not sure I'd want to :what: I based my opinion on what we have learned about him through those who do know him. We've heard words like manipulative, controlling, self-centered, etc...IMO that's pretty much the way he is acting now.

 

[Emma Ems]

If you're asking how LE could confirm a sighting outside the area/state then there are many ways they could go about attempting to rule in or out a likely sighting. It's based upon numerous factors and these sighting would be followed up usually by a local agency contacted by the main group of investigators assigned to the case.

There is, I'm sure, a standard protocol of deciding which tips and possible sightings warrant further investigation. Obviously, there are a lot of 13yo/14yo boys with blond hair that would match DR's description, but what these people were observed doing, where they were observed, the person reporting the sighting, the person reporting's confidence in the apparent sighting, who the person or people were reported to be sighted with, would all play into that.

Unless police can definitively confirm a sighting outside of the immediate area, then I don't know why people would continue to think it is more likely that he was abducted and has been taken out of state vs. thinking more along the lines of what those closest to the investigation (including MR) think which is that the Lake is important in all of this, and that DR didn't go very far at all...

Again, if anyone can explain why it would make sense to focus on unspecified and unconfirmed possible sightings than on what we do know is most likely, then please do share... I'd hate to think I was blinded by bias so completely as to dismiss something with true substance in this case.

I have an opinion as to why it's important not to discount any sitings because in most cases they will always be unconfirmed, unless caught on camera, until the child is found. Example:

The Contra Costa County Sheriff's Department confirms somebody may have seen Jaycee Dugard 10 months after she was abducted from South Lake Tahoe.

An anonymous caller told the department that he saw a girl who looked like Jaycee staring at a missing person's flyer of herself at a gas station in Oakley, less than two miles from the Antioch home where police say Phillip and Nancy Garrido held her for 18 years, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...Jaycee-Shortly-After-Kidnapping-63593462.html

This is why I find it hard to dismiss any out of state sitings of children.

 

[Confusion]

There aren't an arrests thus far, in any of those cases, nor any purported POIs or suspects named by LE. It's entirely possible that NONE of these parents are guilty of anything other than not waking upon someone entering their home.

It is possible that all those parents are innocent, but not very probable. MOO

 

[SuperMom1995]

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I think a phrase that has a lot of meaning in this discussion would be that of "reasonable behavior". ER's and CR's behavior is reasonable based on all we know, and the situation they are in. Most of MR's behavior - particularly as the investigation has dragged on is not "reasonable behavior". In fact, his behavior is quite suspect, frankly.

And, it didn't take the DP show for me to recognize these things in him, either. Witnessing the interaction between ER, CR, and MR on the show only made it that much clearer to me - his reaction to everything that has been said, and is happening truly is not "reasonable" if that person is missing a child, and has been honest from the beginning about everything.

I know a person shouldn't rely on gut feeling alone, but I can't ignore mine completely in this situation either... And, as I explained about the DP show, my gut feeling only reinforces what I have come to a belief about when logically contemplating all of the information we have to date.

IMO -- MR is a man with serious issues, and he is not behaving in a "normal" manner, even given the "abnormal" situation he is in at the moment. The only thing that his behavior points to is an "abnormal" reaction to a situation that society has dealt with too many times already - and certainly a situation that LE, the FBI, the CBI, forensic psychologists, social workers, and many other are very familiar with.

I mean seriously - the man doesn't even defend himself in any way whatsoever except to deflect blame onto another person, or explain it all away with another theory of what he thinks happened. Where is the emotion? I would be angry that people kept accusing me of something I didn't do. I would be begging and pleading with the LE agencies and the public to look other places. Instead, when he comes face to face with the people whose opinions he should care about the most he taunts them, and ridicules them, and tries to place blame on them? Naw... I'm not buying it for a second.

Also - in regards to why wouldn't he leave and run away if he were guilty? He probably believes that his "Dylan went fishing and drowned" story won't be able to be proven a lie. I think it's that simple, really... A person with the type of problems I believe MR suffers from often think they are the smartest person in the room at any given time, and fail to see the mistakes they make themselves. (For instance, the inconsistencies in statements he's made over the months.)

Anyway, this is all just MOO!

I know others are not convinced that MR is guilty. And, just for the record - as the mother of 2 survivors who were assaulted at the hands of other juveniles - I am well-aware that those things happen. I just do not see any evidence of that in this case at all. Ditto for the RSO who, iirc, was charges with possession of child ? Sexual predators usually stick with one type of victim, and one type of offense (unless you're talking about escalation say from looking at child , to then actually offending a child themselves).

Also, FTR, I have my daughters' standing permission to talk about these things publicly, just in case anyone wonders about that. I wouldn't violate their privacy by discussing some of these things otherwise.

As always, all of the above is MOO! :cow:

Also, in this article/study I have been referring to in my most recent posts it distinguishes non family stranger abductors from "regular" pedophiles. In essence, saying pedophiles truly love children and do not perceive the inappropriate physical element of their relationship as harmful, whereas an abduction is usually for far more violent intentions and results so the sexual part is more assaultive and then they may or may not murder them, where as the typical pedophile would not think of murdering a child.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

 

[azgrandma]

Again, I'm not going against TOS to explain this, since speculation is only allowed about MR.

Then please, I ask you respectfully to not include my child in "everyone on the show is dysfunctional". I do take offense to that and especially when it is a blanketed statement and then TOS is thrown as a reason for nothing further.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Nope, I don't know him. Not sure I'd want to :what: I based my opinion on what we have learned about him through those who do know him. We've heard words like manipulative, controlling, self-centered, etc...IMO that's pretty much the way he is acting now.

I've heard these things too but I'm specifically talking about talking in circular sentences, going off on subjects that have zero to do with question asked, the drama of the polygraph on DP, the changing stories, the lack of concern about Dylan being gone, the lack of emotion about Dylan being gone etc etc. I guess what I'm saying is I would like to know if those that know him personally think these specific answers and reactions about Dylan being missing are just the norm for him.

 

[scorekeeper]

Prior to the polygraph Dr. Phil said if one of his sons were missing he would be doing everything possible to find them but he told Mark Redwine that he was acting the complete opposite. Mark Redwine did not show any emotion during the two-day taping of the show.

&#8220;You seem diametrically opposite from that. You seem smug, you seem cavalier, you seem unplugged, you seem combative. You just seem like you just aren't engaged. Which makes me think either you don't care or you already have the answer,&#8221; Dr. Phil told Mark Redwine.

Back stage Dr. Phil told Mark that if he takes the polygraph and he has nothing to do with Dylan's disappearance it will clear him.

&#8220;I don't know what happened here. If you have your son stashed somewhere or if God forbid you flew into a rage and you hurt him accidentally and he's dead, if something has happened I will help you deal with it now and we will go recover that young man. Because if you are involved it's just a matter of time,&#8221; Dr. Phil said, adding that his offer had a shelf life. &#8220;If you're not involved then there's something seriously wrong with you because your reaction to this, something's wrong.&#8221;

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news/...a4bcf887a.html

BBM

 

[scorekeeper]

Again, I'm not going against TOS to explain this, since speculation is only allowed about MR.

Then perhaps the rewording of the post......

 

[Deleted member 39678]

In the same link I just posted from, I just read this and found it VERY INTERESTING and although many of you may have already thought of this I had not:

Table 9:

Season of Nonfamily Abductions

Percent of All Stereotypical
Nonfamily Abduction Kidnapping

Season of Episode Victims (n= 58,200) Victims (n= 115)

Winter 15* 9* is the lowest percent of kids being taken by non family

Spring 36* 28
Summer 30* 29
Fall 19* 33
No information <1* 1*

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/nismart2_nonfamily.pdf

It makes sense that winter would have the lowest number of non-family abductions because there would be less opportunities for children to be out in public in poor weather vs good weather.

I don't believe that poor weather is a factor in this case. MOO.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Prior to the polygraph Dr. Phil said if one of his sons were missing he would be doing everything possible to find them but he told Mark Redwine that he was acting the complete opposite. Mark Redwine did not show any emotion during the two-day taping of the show.

“You seem diametrically opposite from that. You seem smug, you seem cavalier, you seem unplugged, you seem combative. You just seem like you just aren't engaged. Which makes me think either you don't care or you already have the answer,” Dr. Phil told Mark Redwine.

Back stage Dr. Phil told Mark that if he takes the polygraph and he has nothing to do with Dylan's disappearance it will clear him.

“I don't know what happened here. If you have your son stashed somewhere or if God forbid you flew into a rage and you hurt him accidentally and he's dead, if something has happened I will help you deal with it now and we will go recover that young man. Because if you are involved it's just a matter of time,” Dr. Phil said, adding that his offer had a shelf life. “If you're not involved then there's something seriously wrong with you because your reaction to this, something's wrong.”

http://www.ourcoloradonews.com/news/...a4bcf887a.html

BBM

This pretty much sums it up.

 

[SCHMAE]

I'm confused about how statistics prove it's impossible. You just picked five random high-profile cases involving missing children. How is impossible that they are all guilty?

I " THINK" it's impossible. There are no statistics because those cases
aren't solved so no one knows. I'm just guessing that of all the ' guilty'
looking parents in high profile cases, some of them MUST be innocent.
mooo

 

[huckleberryhound]

I wonder if the snow and lake ice are gone yet in Vallecito?

 

[SuperMom1995]

You know, that issue, real vs. crocodile tears nagged at me for quite some time. After watching videos and interviews...way too many times...I have come to the opinion that tears in the beginning were real. And tears when he turns his head and (IMO) pretends to gather himself are not. The thing that I noticed was that the real tears seemed to be more about himself. The fake tears seemed to come when he thought he should be showing emotion about Dylan. JMO, right or wrong. I acknowledge that I may have come to these conclusions based on a developed bias as more information became available.

Himself and the GREATS OF BASEBALL....

 

[SCHMAE]

Please explain the dysfunction of everyone? TIA
Because I didn't see it that way. My child was one of the "everyone" on there and I'd like to know if he needs help.

Grand you're cracking me !

 

[Kimster]

It was requested a LONG time ago not to discuss azgrandma's children here. When she got verified, that was all she asked. Don't discuss them and do your best to keep from generalizing your opinions to keep from creating hard feelings.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I've heard these things too but I'm specifically talking about talking in circular sentences, going off on subjects that have zero to do with question asked, the drama of the polygraph on DP, the changing stories, the lack of concern about Dylan being gone, the lack of emotion about Dylan being gone etc etc. I guess what I'm saying is I would like to know if those that know him personally think these specific answers and reactions about Dylan being missing are just the norm for him.

Since Mark has never been in a situation like this before, how could someone say with certainty that his current behavior is not normal for him?

 

[Kimster]

Then perhaps the rewording of the post......

Please tell me you aren't trying to bait this member into violating a rule.

 

[SCHMAE]

I think the word dysfunctional has many meanings to many people. I would bet that our grandparents' generations think every single family is DYSFUNCTIONAL today by their standards of life. People who drink are not dysfunctional imho. But there are certainly non drinking people who think they are . That's just one example of how the word can be thrown around and used to judge others. Your dysfunctional may not be mine. ( your, general)
The word is stupid anyway. Is it a professional medical term or just a ' social' term to mean families unlike ours that we don't want to associate with ? I wonder who coined it.

dysfunctional family
Psychology A family with multiple 'internal'&#8211;eg sibling rivalries, parent-child&#8211; conflicts, domestic violence, mental illness, single parenthood, or 'external'&#8211;eg alcohol or drug abuse, extramarital affairs, gambling, unemployment&#8212;influences that affect the basic needs of the family unit

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/dysfunctional+family

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I wonder if the snow and lake ice are gone yet in Vallecito?

I think in a couple of weeks it should be

 

[tamild]

Since Mark has never been in a situation like this before, how could someone say with certainty that his current behavior is not normal for him?

That's a good point. I was just thinking that, IMO, people who are naturally "jerks" (would rather use another word, but TOS and all...) don't suddenly become saints under stress. It's been my experience that they become even bigger "jerks." JMO