CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #49

[cluciano63]

Has LE ever said they do not wish the family to go ahead with searching the lake?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Has LE ever said they do not wish the family to go ahead with searching the lake?

I do not believe that LE has said anything at all about the family-driven search of the lake.

Also, in the article rebeccaeeee posted, the man they were searching for was presumed dead.

No one in authority has presumed Dylan Redwine to be deceased.

 

[Emma Ems]

Has LE ever said they do not wish the family to go ahead with searching the lake?

That is really something we don't know...it does seem something is going on with the planned lake searches, it could very be well what they are saying or maybe it is something else entirely????? Who knows.

 

[Seajay]

All this time I thought the entire case was pretty much on hold until the reservoir thawed, and that there would be divers and search teams waiting by for the first opportunity to go into Lake Vallecito and do a comprehensive search to answer once and for all if Dylan is there or not. Now I'm thinking I was the only one thinking that.

Even without family involvement, I would have thought that LE would have beem champing at the bit to get another shot of searching the lake. In the interim, Dylan has not been found and there have been no credible sightings. IMO.

 

[Emma Ems]

You know, I am thinking things like this right now. If LE has ruled out the lake, I would love to know why they ruled it out, and ask them how much certainty they have that Dylan is not in there. Since I can't ask them, I was hoping maybe someone here could try to find plausible explanations as to why they would have ruled it out. Anyone?

 

[asyousay]

Have LE ruled out the lake ?

 

[cluciano63]

Have LE ruled out the lake ?

I don't see how they ever can, unless Dylan is found.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Have LE ruled out the lake ?

I don't think that LE has ruled out the lake at this point.

The lake has been searched by a search and rescue team from the New Mexico State Patrol. That team included dogs, divers, several boats and sonar.

But there were complications. Because of the lake’s depth — averaging 30 to 40 feet, the altitude of the lake and temperature of the water, divers could stay down only 20 minutes a day, Bender said.

The dogs, however, alerted to human scents at a few spots in the lake, which the divers searched.

“There was nothing suspicious found,” he said. “Having said that, it’s almost 12 miles around the lake. It’s very large and that’s not to say there isn’t a chance that Dylan could be in the lake. But we checked it as thoroughly as we could at that time.”

Dan Bender didn't mention the possibility of a LE sanctioned search of the lake.

Read more: http://www.gazette.com/articles/thaw-153174-redwine-dylan.html#ixzz2Qqtq6aRC

 

[Deleted member 39678]

You know, I am thinking things like this right now. If LE has ruled out the lake, I would love to know why they ruled it out, and ask them how much certainty they have that Dylan is not in there. Since I can't ask them, I was hoping maybe someone here could try to find plausible explanations as to why they would have ruled it out. Anyone?

I don't think that LE has ruled out Dylan being in the lake. I would like to know why they haven't announced any further LE sanctioned searches of the lake and if none are planned I would like to know the reason why.

 

[Emma Ems]

I don't think that LE has ruled out Dylan being in the lake. I would like to know why they haven't announced any further LE sanctioned searches of the lake and if none are planned I would like to know the reason why.

That's something I would like to know too. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to imply they did rule the lake out, just asking if they were to say tomorrow they have ruled it out and that's why they aren't planning to have searches(though it was mainly my curiosity at why haven't they planned to search the lake?)

You really would think that if they had nothing else to go on they would search the lake to at least attempt to rule it out and would have a search of it planned...

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That's something I would like to know too. Sorry guys, I didn't mean to imply they did rule the lake out, just asking if they were to say tomorrow they have ruled it out and that's why they aren't planning to have searches(though it was mainly my curiosity at why haven't they planned to search the lake?)

You really would think that if they had nothing else to go on they would search the lake to at least attempt to rule it out and would have a search of it planned...

The only reason that I can come up with that explains why LPCSO has not announced any further searches of the lake is because they don't plan on doing any. Is it because Dylan's family and supporters are going to fund a private search? Is it because the county budget precludes them from doing another search? Or maybe something else?

I think that the sheriff owes the citizens of La Plata county an answer. MOO.

 

[The Cheese]

The only reason that I can come up with that explains why LPCSO has not announced any further searches of the lake is because they don't plan on doing any. Is it because Dylan's family and supporters are going to fund a private search? Is it because the county budget precludes them from doing another search? Or maybe something else?

I think that the sheriff owes the citizens of La Plata county an answer. MOO.

I think they already said why. They said the search was complete, and unless they got new info, they weren't going to search it again. (paraphrased)

I haven't found anything from LE or the state police divers that indicates their search was inadequate or incomplete.

They haven't received any new info that I know of - the K-9 Forensics report that their dogs alerted is info LE already had before they searched, so not new.

I think I'm the only one here who sees it this way, but I just don't see any reason for LE to search again.

I do understand Elaine, as Dylan's mother, having anxiety and questions and wanting to do it again, with people she selects. I support her in doing it, and I hope very much it helps her.

:twocents:

 

[cluciano63]

I thought LE had not really "cleared" the lake. In fact, I am not sure it is possible to do so. And as far as we can tell, they do not have any better ideas as to where Dylan could be.

 

[The Cheese]

I thought LE had not really "cleared" the lake. In fact, I am not sure it is possible to do so. And as far as we can tell, they do not have any better ideas as to where Dylan could be.

I agree. I haven't seen them say they've cleared or ruled out the lake.

I also agree it's not possible, and I think LE thinks that same way - recently Bender said something along the lines of not being able to guarantee Dylan wasn't in the lake.

I don't know if their ideas of where Dylan could be are any better or worse than being in the lake, but either way, having already done an adequate and complete search of the lake (no indication otherwise), I don't know why they would go and do again what they've already done.

:twocents:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think they already said why. They said the search was complete, and unless they got new info, they weren't going to search it again. (paraphrased)

I haven't found anything from LE or the state police divers that indicates their search was inadequate or incomplete.

They haven't received any new info that I know of - the K-9 Forensics report that their dogs alerted is info LE already had before they searched, so not new.

I think I'm the only one here who sees it this way, but I just don't see any reason for LE to search again.

I do understand Elaine, as Dylan's mother, having anxiety and questions and wanting to do it again, with people she selects. I support her in doing it, and I hope very much it helps her.

:twocents:

I think that your saying that LPCSO feels that they have done as good of a job searching the lake as can be done and while they haven't officially "ruled out" Dylan being in the lake, further searches are not justified unless evidence leads them to change their minds.

I just wish that LE would have given us a better explanation for the multiple HRD dog alerts at the lake.

 

[Seajay]

So what is next then??? Another mounted search in an area what has not previously been searched yet??? I'm sure they are also waiting for any sightings or for more tips to come in.

It seems the case is at a standstill. Never did it occur to me that they wouldn't get back in the lake when the frost subsided. But now seeing these links to officlal statements, they've done all they feel they could do so far unless other leads bring them back to the lake area.

So it's a good thing that Elaine wants her group to go in there one more time, just to make sure and for her to feel that the lake has been searched well enough for her to personally feel that Dylan's not there. I can see any mother wanting to know that for sure. Once she feels he's not there, she can move on mentally to other ideas. Bless her heart. IMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/fire-rescue/divers-searching-missing-airman-find-body-lake-mead
Not about Dylan but an interesting article about a lake drowning recovery that happened in my town this week. The conditions were extremely windy and yet they still managed to find this fella in 280 feet of murky water in two days. Gives me great hope that if someone is in the lake a good search team will find them.

My favorite (sarcasm, here) parts of the article:
BBM: "After a search lasting less than two days, a man’s body was found at Lake Mead by a group of divers who were turned away by the National Park Service last year when they volunteered to look for a missing serviceman from Creech Air Force Base."

And
BBM: "In response to Schafer’s criticism, Vanover told the Review-Journal that park personnel had all the help they needed during the initial search for Tucker. She also said that using outside groups for often dangerous recovery and dive operations is a safety and liability issue for the park."

Because good deeds are not allowed since liability issues are more important than finding and laying missing people to rest.

What HAS become of our country?

 

[cluciano63]

I don't believe LE plans to do any further searching, unless they have specific new tips. Cases reach this point, whether LE announces it or not.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Do I have it right that two separate sets of cadaver dogs hit on that lake in approx. the same area? That and the Mom feels strongly that the lake needs to be searched again?
That's enough for me. KEEP SEARCHING THE LAKE. Dogs and Moms combined are usually never wrong. (But praying they are....)

 

[rosesfromangels]

You know, I am thinking things like this right now. If LE has ruled out the lake, I would love to know why they ruled it out, and ask them how much certainty they have that Dylan is not in there. Since I can't ask them, I was hoping maybe someone here could try to find plausible explanations as to why they would have ruled it out. Anyone?

Again, I place more weight on the dogs and Mom's intuition. But that said, they might have evidence (they aren't sharing) to suggest a different outcome or disposal. I tend to believe they know quite a bit, and are just staying quiet until they have determined they have enough pulled together to get a conviction. Let's just hope I'm wrong and that Dylan appears one of these days. Miracles do happen occasionally, and let's just pray it's so in this case. Logic suggests otherwise, but we just don't know. LE does know, I believe.