CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Deleted member 39678]

the Dr P show aired Feb 27 (where I live) and the press release was March 19

Thanks. So the LE press release that say's the postal worker sighting has no connection to Dylan's disappearance came out after she was on the Dr Phil show.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

You are exactly right. The press release date was March 19 and Dr. Phil aired in the US on Feb 26, taped some period before that.

You know, EH stated several times in the media that the last message/text from Dylan was 7 ish or 8. Until the press release came out.

I'm willing to say both these parents are missing pieces, parts, and information about the case of their missing son. Was EH refuted? Was MR refuted? Or did more information come to light? I'm going with the latter.

BBM
I agree. That seems be a more accurate way of wording it.

 

[asyousay]

I am sure it was said early on that all sightings of Dylan had been ruled out ????

MR would of known this very early on IMO

 

[Lordeebee]

I thought that the Dr Phil show was before this press release that your referring to.

Sure there's a difference between contacting LE and making an official missing persons report. But the fact is he contacted LE and told them that Dylan was missing. MOO.

Imo, the interesting thing was that this was the first time (iirc) that LE made a specific statement that EH was the one that reported D missing and that MR had merely contacted the marshals office. This was after the Dr. P show where MR made such a concrete statement (Imo) that is was him.

 

[The Cheese]

Hi Aust, can we add a #3? The statement included how EH and family had remained in CS

which refuted MR's theory of Elaine's kidnapping scheme

the issue is that MR was pushing the postal worker sighting on the Dr Phil show, it had alsready been ruled out and it was again stated in the press release that it was not Dylan that she saw.

MR made out for quite some time that he had reported Dylan missing, LE refuted that claim. contacting LE and reporting Dylan missing are not one and the same.

I see these differently. I don't see them as refutations by LE.

On ER, CR, and MH being in Colorado Springs, it simply says they were in Colorado Springs in that timeframe. I don't see this as a refutation because LE doesn't say anything about any of the 3 of them not being involved in kidnapping. (I'll add that I don't believe ER was involved in a kidnapping of Dylan, because of LE's statement in Feb that ER and MR are not considered suspects. I'm following LE's lead on neither of them being considered suspects.)

On the postal worker, there was a post on FMDR that said this sighting was of a boy who looked like Dylan, but that's not LE stating that. Prior to this press release, I don't recall a statement from LE that they had identified the boys, and neither was Dylan. So again, I don't see this as a refutation of anything, but rather, just a confirmation to the public that they'd identified the boys. It also doesn't say when they identified them or confirmed it.

Lastly, I really hope refutation is an actual word. I'm winging it.

My :cow:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Imo, the interesting thing was that this was the first time (iirc) that LE made a specific statement that EH was the one that reported D missing and that MR had merely contacted the marshals office. This was after the Dr. P show where MR made such a concrete statement (Imo) that is was him.

This whole thing about who reported Dylan missing first is a non-issue for me.

 

[Lordeebee]

Thanks. So the LE press release that say's the postal work sighting has no connection to Dylan's disappearance came out after she was on the Dr Phil show.

yeah that's the point of this conversation

 

[katydid23]

[ Tricias questions have been shortened and paraphrased for space, but MR is word for word, syllable for syllable.]


MR: As you know in the conversations Ive had with you I feel like I owe it to Dylan to sit down and have this conversation with his mother and it's long past overdue I mean certainly whatever road we had to take to get to where we are now and this is the most important thing to me I think I -her and I this opportunity we have on Wednesday to sit down face to face and have this conversation because I'll be honest with ya - I think theres things that I may be aware of that she may not be aware of , and things she may be aware of that I'm not aware of , and I can't help but think that, working together,
and having all the cards laid out on the table, that it will make a difference in where we go from here in the search for our son .

T: When did u first find out that --or is it true that all of dYlans clothing and his iPod are missing?

MR: well, to answer your question, with a yes or no answer, yes, thats true, but to clarify that, it wasn't till you know a short time that law enforcement was aware of what was going on and was involved and I know that they immediately browght in some dogs to start tracking ya know, his movement, and try to figure out the direction that he was headed, and the question was posed to me, is his backpack here? and I'm like well I don't know, let me go look for it because I ..that's not something that I was looking for…so you know it probably took ..I wanna say the first day maybe even two before it was determined that yes, his backpack was not here..my only concern was Dylan and what have we got to do to find him…and where is he?

T: ok that makes sense, you called the mediator, why not just call Elaine and talk to her?

MR: well I think if you listen to what Elaine said and I think you will probably kind of hear something similar to me…I don't think that either one of us to be honest with you wants to talk to the other, I think
because of the communication that we've had during the course of our divorce we don't talk to each other and and and most of our communication is done email. and the case with Dylan , ya know obviously, ya know I texted her from the marshals office when I was there expressing my concerns tot the marshal, expressing my concerns because at that point I realized that his friends hadn't seen or heard from him all day, that being said, it was just a, it was just the most , most natural way to communicate with her because I know how she is and ya know what, quite frankly we're not married anymore and I don't need her to talk to me the way she did when we were married. I'm, I'm , I'm a human, I'm a father and somebody you can sit down and have a civil conversation with…you don't need to start yelling at me..you don't need to start going off on me…ya know I certainly understand that in the large part that emotions run deep in situations like this and moms tend to be a little more vocal with their emotions and I don't have a huge problem with that until it starts becoming accusatory
and various other things and then I just shut down…its my nature, it's what I do.

ER: From Elaines side she is understandably accusatory, as you were the last to be seen with him, but for your side you want to find Dylan and don't want to talk to her if all she is going to do is yell and accuse you of things, is that what I am hearing?

Mr: well that exactly what Im trying to say…

ER: well this ail all be up to the mediator to try and help you both come together , are you open to all of that? we need to stop with the accusations...


MR: Well yes, that's my only intention in this whole thing is to sit down and and have a face to face talk with her, sit down with her through a 3rd party mediator so that ya know so that theres somebody can intervene between us when things start getting elevated to the point that one of us wants to shut down like Im probably going to do and one wants to escalate the situation or starts raising their voice and becomes accusatory like she might be likely to do. So so so the purpose of having a mediator is to have a 3rd part involved that is trying to keep everything in control so that… all we are doing is sitting down as parents ,discussing what has happened with our child and as parents of this child what can we do together because that is one piece of common ground that her and I both share …regardless of our divorce ,regardless of all the things that have gone on there, regardless of anything else…Her and I are still the parents of Dylan, and its up to us to stand together on that one piece of ground that we both share and do what's right for our son ..meaning we turn over every rock, we look under every log, look into every stump, and do everything possible… now, you know, I think that thats a lot of what you see going on around my house in the searches that are being done and I have no problem with that I think that thats great because the more we search the area around my home the more we're going to realize Dylans not here and were going to start looking outside the box which is kind of where I'm at with this whole thing . theres been so much time spent around my house and believe me theres a lot of forest and theres a lot of wilderness and theres a lot of area to cover. and obviously its not going to be done in a days time or ya know whatever the case may be which is the whole reason I invited the dogs forensic team to come in here because they can cover, they can cover with two dogs what it takes 40 people to do in the same amount of time.

T: Got it. And you have also ..oh go ahead…

MR: And well then that's why we brought her in here.when she made the offer to Elaine and I and just happened to be the one that responded first. Now my opinion is it does not matter which one of us responded to her the fact that she was willing to come here and do this for the benefit of our son is all that is really important here.

 

[Crosby87]

I think they would need the phone to confirm if it was broken, they would be able to tell what time the phone last pinged.

IIRC it was from his iPod Touch

from all accounts yes he did bring his iPod to Vallecito.

The last time Dylan used his cell phone was at 8:01 pm Sunday evening and because it is missing,
LE can’t prove it was broken during an argument on the way to Mark’s house or after they arrived.

If Dylan’s cell phone was broken during an argument, that could be why the text at 9:37 pm was sent from Dylan’s Ipod Touch.

Dylan’s Ipod Touch was in his backpack that was in MR’s truck so Mark could have sent the text at 9:37 pm from his house before he disposed of it.

If Dylan’s cell phone was broken in the truck but LE didn’t find any evidence of it when they searched MR’s truck, then that’s a major break for Mark.

MOO

 

[The Cheese]

MR said in one interview he was at the marshalls office 'taking care of it' and as you stated Bender said that MR reported Dylan missing, which is not true.

(Respectfully snipped to the part that relates to me.)

May I have a link please for your claim that MR stated that it was he that reported Dylan missing, please? I'm unable to find one. I know he has talked about going to the marshall's office etc, but I'm looking for the quote from MR where you say he stated he reported Dylan missing.

Thanks.

 

[The Cheese]

This whole thing about who reported Dylan missing first is a non-issue for me.

I wonder who involved in the case is making an issue of it, if anyone.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

yeah that's the point of this conversation

That's the point I was trying to make. That the postal worker and Mark didn't know what the LE press release said because it had not been released yet.

 

[katydid23]

"... and things she may be aware of that I'm not aware of , and I can't help but think that, working together,
and having all the cards laid out on the table, that it will make a difference in where we go from here in the search for our son . "


What does he mean about ' having all the cards laid out on the table'? Has he been hiding some cards? And how do these 'cards' affect where the next searches would be?

 

[The Cheese]

katydid, I appreciate your transcriptions from the radio show so much. Thank you!

 

[katydid23]

That's the point I was trying to make. That the postal worker and Mark didn't know what the LE press release said because it had not been released yet.

That sighting by the postal worker had been fully debunked way before the Dr Phil show was taped. There was a few sightings around town supposedly of Dylan and a friend. But two boys came forward who had been to those places, and one looks much like Dylan. So there was a big post put in the official FB discussing the fact it was not valid.

 

[Lordeebee]

This whole thing about who reported Dylan missing first is a non-issue for me.

ok I get that. But I'll try one more time - I think the original post on this subject had to do with whether some of the statements by LE in the press release were a direct result (refutiation) of MR's rather strong allegations on the Dr. P show.

I.e. him stating he still maintained that he was not the last one to see Dylan, that it was the mail lady...and then LE specifically stating the kid she saw was not Dylan, in the subsequent press release.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

When a town law enforcement entity puts out a BOLO, does it go just to the officers in their jurisdiction or would it go to the county too? Do you suppose the Bayfield Marshall referred MR to LPCSO upon the realization that he didn't even live in town?

I agree with you Ranch, who reported Dylan missing to the correct agency is an non issue for me. No report/contact with any agency would be of interest, but not the way this played out.

 

[The Cheese]

That sighting by the postal worker had been fully debunked way before the Dr Phil show was taped. There was a few sightings around town supposedly of Dylan and a friend. But two boys came forward who had been to those places, and one looks much like Dylan. So there was a big post put in the official FB discussing the fact it was not valid.

That's what I thought - that it was only a post on facebook. That's why I couldn't take it as fact. I needed a LE statement saying they confirmed the boys were not Dylan.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

That sighting by the postal worker had been fully debunked way before the Dr Phil show was taped. There was a few sightings around town supposedly of Dylan and a friend. But two boys came forward who had been to those places, and one looks much like Dylan. So there was a big post put in the official FB discussing the fact it was not valid.

If that's the case,then a link supporting that fact should be used not one from after the Dr Phil show. Facebook is not a valid source for facts.

 

[asyousay]

That sighting by the postal worker had been fully debunked way before the Dr Phil show was taped. There was a few sightings around town supposedly of Dylan and a friend. But two boys came forward who had been to those places, and one looks much like Dylan. So there was a big post put in the official FB discussing the fact it was not valid.

Yep and that was November or December time. Now i know MR has been hiding away (IMO) but even he should of known the fact that all sightings was not Dylan by February time. And to go on a national tv show and try and damage your son's chances of being found because you do not have the correct facts at hand is astounding :cow: