CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[ColdHands]

Something is tugging at my memory - wasn't there a story that DH/KH had picked an area to organize the big search - the first big search, I think the one Ranch helped with, but then LE changed the location of the search? Sorry no links, it's just something I seem to remember. If true, I wonder why LE would change the location and was the original location ever checked?

 

[Lordeebee]

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I'll throw a question out there. Why didn't LE ask for the search warrants sooner than they did? They waited over a week. Why?

That's a really good question. When were the first searches - I mean on the ground, not the lake? Maybe they found articles belonging to Dylan?

 

[cluciano63]

Something is tugging at my memory - wasn't there a story that DH/KH had picked an area to organize the big search - the first big search, I think the one Ranch helped with, but then LE changed the location of the search? Sorry no links, it's just something I seem to remember. If true, I wonder why LE would change the location and was the original location ever checked?

I think it was Ransom who searched?
Maybe LE had searched the other area already or had obtained ping info, if they changed the locale?

 

[Lordeebee]

So IF they did find something, would that automatically change LE's assumptions from runaway to foul play?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

So IF they did find something, would that automatically change LE's assumptions from runaway to foul play?

I'm not sure what your question is about, but if LE found forensic evidence that a crime was committed, then sure it could change their focus.

 

[cluciano63]

So IF they did find something, would that automatically change LE's assumptions from runaway to foul play?

Probably. But they have kept it secret, if they did find anything. Also, you would think they would have searched again and again in any location where an item was found. I do not recall hearing about that happening.

 

[Angelonline]

I just removed some posts. Can we please stop with the snarkiness? If you feel the need to argue then please just scroll and roll. Or you can always use the ignore feature.
TIA
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[Lordeebee]

No

I'm not sure what your question is about, but if LE found forensic evidence that a crime was committed, then sure it could change their focus.

I was still on your question of why it took so long on the search warrants. And I didn't necessarily mean forensic evidence, just something that belonged to Dylan. Just wondering if that would have been enough to change the direction of the investigation and precipitate the SW's. Don't know, just thinkin

 

[Deleted member 39678]

http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/ar...an-redwine-criminal-investigation-new-photos/

This link says that LE has ruled out runaway as of Nov. 30th, and tells why (lack of phone use, no communication, etc.) No real evidence, as far as we know, just circumstances. What evidence could there be that someone is not a runaway, if there is no crime scene and no ransom demand?

I'm definitely not an expert on runaways but I think that problems at home can be a big factor in kids taking off on their own.

Apparently LE feels that the family situation is not a clear reason for a possible runaway scenario with Dylan. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

I'm definitely not an expert on runaways but I think that problems at home can be a big factor in kids taking off on their own.

Apparently LE feels that the family situation is not a clear reason for a possible runaway scenario with Dylan. MOO

My belief is that they did think so, originally.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

My belief is that they did think so, originally.

I wish that they would have immediately got a search warrant for Mark's house and searched it. But they didn't do that.

 

[cluciano63]

I wish that they would have immediately got a search warrant for Mark's house and searched it. But they didn't do that.

That is partly why I think they were too focused on a runaway scenario. But JMO.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

That is partly why I think they were too focused on a runaway scenario. But JMO.

This is just my opinion, but the execution of a search warrant is an expensive venture. LE may put off seeking a search warrant early in a case when their is not blatant evidence of a crime having been committed in the location. As time progresses and other leads aren't fruitful the investment of the time and money into a more complete search is made. I've noticed this pattern of LE getting warrants or conducting more thorough searches 7-14 days after a child disappears. This wasn't unique to Dylan's case. And again, the delay points to the absence of obvious evidence of a crime. Make no mistake, a crime was committed. A teen boy disappeared. But the scene of that crime appears undefined to me.

 

[TxLady2]

There is nothing wrong with telling your kid no, but why LIE to them and promise them one thing and do another?

Dylan had already said he wanted to go the the brothers house near his own. I think he was hoping to spend part of the time with his ailing Grandmother.

I think it was a sad thing for him to sit alone with his Dad. I think they had a lot of recent issues because of his dads admitted hobbies and I don't think Dylan was able to ignore it anymore. He wanted to be with his friends, imo. And that bothered Mark. Dylan was growing up and standing up for himself. Mark was estranged from ALL of his older sons. Reportedly he did not like them to talk back or disagree with him.

My kids would much rather go to large family Thanksgivings with their cousins and relatives and play games and have a big homemade Turkey dinner than sit alone with one relative. JMO

BBM: Well, he couldn't very well keep his promise to take him to his friend's after he got back, when Dylan wasn't there when he got back, could he? That's not a lie just because it didn't happen. You make it sound like he had no intention of taking him at all, and we don't know that. If Dylan wanted to go to his friend's house so badly, why didn't he get out of bed that morning when his dad tried to wake him? Apparently, it wasn't as big a deal to him as people are making it out to be.

I assume since these visits were court-ordered, that they had an option, either going for Thanksgiving, or Christmas. What kid wouldn't prefer spending Christmas at the home he lived in most of the time, with his mother and brother, rather than with his dad by himself? And it's possible that he really wasn't given a choice, that this schedule was worked out by the judge, or between the lawyers during the custody hearing. It's fairly common to alternate holidays, one year Christmas with Mom, the next year with Dad.
Sometimes the parents work out the schedule themselves, but I doubt if that happened here, since they don't communicate with each other.

Plus, I was under the impression that the Thanksgiving plans were not solid yet, so where are we getting that Mark was buying stuff to make dinner? Perhaps he was asked to bring a dish of something, or a couple pies to contribute to the dinner at his brother's house.

I may be missing some details that have just come to light, but I'm seeing an awful lot of assumptions in these posts, (not just yours) and would just like to get some things clear in my mind.

 

[rebeccaeee]

Something is tugging at my memory - wasn't there a story that DH/KH had picked an area to organize the big search - the first big search, I think the one Ranch helped with, but then LE changed the location of the search? Sorry no links, it's just something I seem to remember. If true, I wonder why LE would change the location and was the original location ever checked?

They did change the search location...the search on Dec. 8th. Originally, FMDR was going to search much closer to Vallecito lake that day but LE directed them to search along Florida Road instead, per the route MR said they took home from McDonalds. As i understand, it was not related to cell pings since LE has not released the last ping location but more toward an area that had not been thoroughly searches prior to Dec 8th and was focused on the route they took home Sunday night. No MSM links, this is from FMDR.

 

[Eileen730]

BBM: Well, he couldn't very well keep his promise to take him to his friend's after he got back, when Dylan wasn't there when he got back, could he? That's not a lie just because it didn't happen. You make it sound like he had no intention of taking him at all, and we don't know that. If Dylan wanted to go to his friend's house so badly, why didn't he get out of bed that morning when his dad tried to wake him? Apparently, it wasn't as big a deal to him as people are making it out to be.

I assume since these visits were court-ordered, that they had an option, either going for Thanksgiving, or Christmas. What kid wouldn't prefer spending Christmas at the home he lived in most of the time, with his mother and brother, rather than with his dad by himself? And it's possible that he really wasn't given a choice, that this schedule was worked out by the judge, or between the lawyers during the custody hearing. It's fairly common to alternate holidays, one year Christmas with Mom, the next year with Dad.
Sometimes the parents work out the schedule themselves, but I doubt if that happened here, since they don't communicate with each other.

Plus, I was under the impression that the Thanksgiving plans were not solid yet, so where are we getting that Mark was buying stuff to make dinner? Perhaps he was asked to bring a dish of something, or a couple pies to contribute to the dinner at his brother's house.

I may be missing some details that have just come to light, but I'm seeing an awful lot of assumptions in these posts, (not just yours) and would just like to get some things clear in my mind.

JMO but I don't think he had any intention of letting Dylan go to his friends either!

 

[Eileen730]

If MR was going to take Dylan to his friends house why not call him and ask him if hes ready to go?
Not ask him if he needed anything from Walmart. They were just there the night before.

why not drop him at his friends house Sunday night go home himself go do his apointments in the morning, go do the shopping and then go pick up Dylan that night?

He had tings he had to do himself that did not include his son so what was the harm in taking him sunday nigh?

no he picks him up drives home then has to get up early drive him to bayfield then MR has to go to wherever he has to go then go home again and then drive to bayfield to get D and then drive home again...

I still think dad was angry Dylan would rather be with his friends and took his phone away and had no intention of taking him to see R and F.

All jmo

 

[Eileen730]

I don't understand this thinking. MR was the parent, and Dylan is the child. Someone (can't remember who) mentioned earlier that maybe MR really had no intention of letting Dylan hang with his friends that first day or two and put off taking him. Would that be so bad to tell your kid no?



Again, what's the big deal? Why does it have to be a sad thing to spend the holiday with your dad? From what we have heard from Dylan's Bayfield friends, he loved his dad and they were buddies. I'm pretty sure my kids would rather stay home than get their cheeks pinched by family members they see once a year and hear how they are growing like weeds. JMO

They are 13..... their priorities change!
There is nothing wrong with telling the child no they cant go to the friends that they are staying home for the week with dad, But we have not heard MR say he told him that. But we have heard MR say how IMPORTANT dylans friends were to him so many times, ...

Your kids like getting their cheeks pnched? May I ask how old they are?


Im very close with my kids and they like being home but if they have something better to do with friends the friends win...

I do think MR got mad tho!

 

[Eileen730]

You mean it took over a week for LE to figure out that Dylan was not a runaway? Why would it take that long?

I think LE Believed from speaking to the parents, the court ordered visit, the past Protection orders and BS that surrounds this family that's the picture they were getting.

I do not think a pretty picture was painted!

JMO

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I think LE Believed from speaking to the parents, the court ordered visit, the past Protection orders and BS that surrounds this family that's the picture they were getting.

I do not think a pretty picture was painted!

JMO

It's still not a pretty picture. And the sad part is that the outcome is detrimental to Dylan. Also, I believe EH when she says that MR had visitation with Dylan and it is a misrepresentation to say the visit was "court ordered" as that implies that Dylan would be found in contempt of court if he didn't go. From all accounts, Dylan had the opportunity to state to the judge any desire or wish to limit visitation with his father and that didn't happen. EH would be the one who is expected to comply with the order of the court and by her own statements, prior to this, she had no concerns about Dylan visiting his father. Every set of divorced parent has a visitation schedule that is not referred to as "court ordered". This family's situation demonstrated no documented reason to limit or decline father visitation. At the very least, if there were suspicions, there would have been supervised visitation. The use of "court ordered" as a term for this was perpetuated by the media and is inaccurate. Even EH doesn't define it that way.