CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[rebeccaeee]

I wish that they would have immediately got a search warrant for Mark's house and searched it. But they didn't do that.

Just thought i'd take this opportunity to AGREE with you. :seeya: I wish they would have as well. Particularly if they had evidence to justify a warrant 10 days later, which they obviously did.

 

[asyousay]

The problem with Mark is he states that he knows that Dylan's friends are important to his son and he understands that yet he would not let him visit them when he landed and it would of actually of been more convenient for Dylan to spend the night with his friends due to the fact MR had to be up so early and run errands and could not spend the morning with Dylan anyway.

I dont have children but i can remember how hard it was as a teenager to get up early and the parents nagging. Who on earth wants to get a grumpy kid up when they are trying to rush out the door themselves ?

 

[ColdHands]

Something is tugging at my memory - wasn't there a story that DH/KH had picked an area to organize the big search - the first big search, I think the one Ranch helped with, but then LE changed the location of the search? Sorry no links, it's just something I seem to remember. If true, I wonder why LE would change the location and was the original location ever checked?

Sorry, I don't seem to have an Edit button today so I can't fix my own post. I did intend to say Ransom and not Ranch helped with the search.

Ok, so now that I've quoted my own post, :blushing: I'll ask a follow up question - does anyone have a link with the wording around the change in search location? I'd like to see how it was originally stated.

The reason is, it's strange IMO that on Dec 8 LE would want to search the "road they came in on", as opposed to searching "roads that would leave the area." Because IMO by then they already may have had some preliminary evidence that Dylan made it to the house, pending lab test confirmation, based on the fact they had collected some items under the search warrant for MR's house. So I'm curious how the change in search location was actually stated.

Does anyone know what area DH/KH had gridded off originally for the search and was that area ever searched?

 

[Eileen730]

It's still not a pretty picture. And the sad part is that the outcome is detrimental to Dylan. Also, I believe EH when she says that MR had visitation with Dylan and it is a misrepresentation to say the visit was "court ordered" as that implies that Dylan would be found in contempt of court if he didn't go. From all accounts, Dylan had the opportunity to state to the judge any desire or wish to limit visitation with his father and that didn't happen. EH would be the one who is expected to comply with the order of the court and by her own statements, prior to this, she had no concerns about Dylan visiting his father. Every set of divorced parent has a visitation schedule that is not referred to as "court ordered". This family's situation demonstrated no documented reason to limit or decline father visitation. At the very least, if there were suspicions, there would have been supervised visitation. The use of "court ordered" as a term for this was perpetuated by the media and is inaccurate. Even EH doesn't define it that way.

Im saying court ordered because that's what MSM has said.
And we do not know what Dylan said or didn't say to the judge.

Dylan could have requested not to be made to go and the judge sent him anyway. We just don't know!

Elaine sent her son to visit his dad she didn't fight it. she put him on a plane and sent him on his way and never saw him again.

I don't think anyone would have even focused on MR if there were not so many factors that don't add up.
no cell activity
no concern he was not home
no looking for him
no calling his friends (heck even if he didn't have their numbers call cory or Elaine and ask for his friends numbers.
He took a nap.
He never reported him missing to LE
He failed a poly and has never taken another one.
He faded in to the woodwork!

Sorry it just does not add up In MY book!

jmo

 

[azgrandma]

Ya know, for me, if my ex's mom was in the last stages of cancer and wanted my kid wanted to spend every single day there before she passed, I would be ok with it. You know why? Because I know how important family is. I would hate to think i prevented my child from spending what might be the last time with their grandparent. This is someone he has grown up with and loves dearly. MOO

I agree with you, there comes a time in your life when you make the decisions based on the greater good. I know many people that are divorced and/or have blended families and they have no problem letting the children spend time with an ill family member, especially a grandparent. Visitations can be changed and should be changed in situations like that.

I do believe it's called putting others first aka being a parent.

 

[Eileen730]

The problem with Mark is he states that he knows that Dylan's friends are important to his son and he understands that yet he would not let him visit them when he landed and it would of actually of been more convenient for Dylan to spend the night with his friends due to the fact MR had to be up so early and run errands and could not spend the morning with Dylan anyway.

I dont have children but i can remember how hard it was as a teenager to get up early and the parents nagging. Who on earth wants to get a grumpy kid up when they are trying to rush out the door themselves ?

My kids would not want to get up for school. Now school is over they are up and out the door.

When Kids have a destination with a friend or friends they do not stay in bed.
Usually I get a hurry up were going to be late. come on mom they are waiting for me. Lets go!!!!!

JMO

I know that's MY kids but my kids are like MOST kids!

they are up texting most the night they play games late in to the evening.
Friends stay over.
They land at each others houses!

 

[ColdHands]

My kids would not want to get up for school. Now school is over they are up and out the door.

When Kids have a destination with a friend or friends they do not stay in bed.
Usually I get a hurry up were going to be late. come on mom they are waiting for me. Lets go!!!!!

JMO

I know that's MY kids but my kids are like MOST kids!

they are up texting most the night they play games late in to the evening.
Friends stay over.
They land at each others houses!

Yes, but they are people, and people do and don't do things differently all the time. I usually have 6-7 extra teenage boys staying at my house on Friday nights playing video games until 2am and last night there were none. I asked my son and he said he "just wasn't feeling it", he played some video games, and went to bed at 9:00pm. He's 15. My 13 yo son fell asleep on the couch at 4pm, woke up for a couple hours around 9 to nag me to watch a movie with him, fell asleep around 10, and still didn't wake up until 8 this morning.

I have given up on guessing what kids will and won't do. Several 13yo kids in the Denver area were found runaways this winter, even though the parents were in the press claiming that "their child would NEVER run away." And the parents of those 2 girls in Iowa that got in a car with a stranger offering money for mowing lawns, I bet those parents would have believed that their child would NEVER have done such a thing.

IMO behavior of other kids is only slightly relevant, behavior of this kid we're discussing is more relevant, but at the end of the day, IMO, without having a 3rd party witness, I don't know what Dylan did or didn't do Sunday night or Monday morning.

So I don't consider the end of communication at 9:37pm Sunday night to be suspicious, I don't consider Dylan not getting out of bed on Monday morning to be suspicious, and I don't think that his nonresponsiveness to texts is concerning until around midmorning Monday. I do think at some point Monday morning there should have been a text to someone but even that is kind of an arbitrary determination and I couldn't say, it should have been at 6:30 or at 8:00 or by 10am.

 

[azgrandma]

BBM: Well, he couldn't very well keep his promise to take him to his friend's after he got back, when Dylan wasn't there when he got back, could he? That's not a lie just because it didn't happen. You make it sound like he had no intention of taking him at all, and we don't know that. If Dylan wanted to go to his friend's house so badly, why didn't he get out of bed that morning when his dad tried to wake him? Apparently, it wasn't as big a deal to him as people are making it out to be.

Snipped by me to keep brief.
BBM - IMO, because he couldn't.

 

[Eileen730]

One thing peeps.
If you all left in the morning and your child was sleeping and you returned and he was not home (he didn't live there remember) would you wait all day to do something?
The only person he called was Dylan!

If Dylan wasn't answering wouldn't you call someone else?

No wait maybe you can go take a nap!

Just my ramblings! and JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Your a kid you moved away from your friends, its a holiday and going back to your old stomping ground. Do you sleep in if that the only chance you get to see your friends?


NO!

 

[Eileen730]

I would love to know how many text messages were sent to Dylan that he never got to respond to after 9 pm sunday night!

 

[Eileen730]

I don't think R is the only person to text him he's just the only one they are letting us know about! JMO

 

[azgrandma]

It's still not a pretty picture. And the sad part is that the outcome is detrimental to Dylan. Also, I believe EH when she says that MR had visitation with Dylan and it is a misrepresentation to say the visit was "court ordered" as that implies that Dylan would be found in contempt of court if he didn't go. From all accounts, Dylan had the opportunity to state to the judge any desire or wish to limit visitation with his father and that didn't happen. EH would be the one who is expected to comply with the order of the court and by her own statements, prior to this, she had no concerns about Dylan visiting his father. Every set of divorced parent has a visitation schedule that is not referred to as "court ordered". This family's situation demonstrated no documented reason to limit or decline father visitation. At the very least, if there were suspicions, there would have been supervised visitation. The use of "court ordered" as a term for this was perpetuated by the media and is inaccurate. Even EH doesn't define it that way.

BBM - I hope that is a typo because Dylan would not have been found in contempt of anything, he was 13 yo in Nov.

Throughout the divorce process, the visitation schedule is part of the court orders. Regardless of whether the parents agree with each other or not.


I do think that the media was using the words "court order" in a bad light. It perhaps would have been better if they simply said that Dylan disappeared during a regular scheduled visit or holiday visit.

 

[asyousay]

Snipped by me to keep brief.
BBM - IMO, because he couldn't.

100% agree .


Something stopped Dylan from responding to the world after about 9-30pm that night. And there was only one person with Dylan that Sunday night!


MOO

 

[Cherry]

I cannot believe there r no answers still in this case. I wonder if MR followed kyrons case at all. I also wondr wot his internet activity shows.

 

[asyousay]

I cannot believe there r no answers still in this case. I wonder if MR followed kyrons case at all. I also wondr wot his internet activity shows.

I personally do not think it was premeditated if MR did do it.

I think with a window of over 12 hours * not sure if that maths is 100%* for any clean up and Law Enforcement that simply have no clue because they have never dealt with anything of this caliber and this is the outcome of 5 months on and no clue of what happened.


IMHO- MOO

 

[Eileen730]

I personally do not think it was premeditated if MR did do it.

I think with a window of over 12 hours * not sure if that maths is 100%* for any clean up and Law Enforcement that simply have no clue because they have never dealt with anything of this caliber and this is the outcome of 5 months on and no clue of what happened.


IMHO- MOO

I don't think it was premeditated either!
I think anger played a big role in all this.

whatever happened to Dylan took place Sunday evening. I don't think they
watched a movie I don't think he was bouncing around on the sofa. I do believe MR was very busy that night and this is the reason he was so tired and took a nap!


All JMVOPO!

 

[rebeccaeee]

Sorry, I don't seem to have an Edit button today so I can't fix my own post. I did intend to say Ransom and not Ranch helped with the search.

Ok, so now that I've quoted my own post, :blushing: I'll ask a follow up question - does anyone have a link with the wording around the change in search location? I'd like to see how it was originally stated.

The reason is, it's strange IMO that on Dec 8 LE would want to search the "road they came in on", as opposed to searching "roads that would leave the area." Because IMO by then they already may have had some preliminary evidence that Dylan made it to the house, pending lab test confirmation, based on the fact they had collected some items under the search warrant for MR's house. So I'm curious how the change in search location was actually stated.

Does anyone know what area DH/KH had gridded off originally for the search and was that area ever searched?

As i recall (and the early interviews with DH in her video store show this), there WAS a grid map posted with search areas marked off. if you go back to the early December FMDR FB posts, you can see the wording altering the search. Nothing from LE just FMDR per LE. I think the areas FMDR wanted to search at first already had been covered, they just wanted another look. I think most of the areas very close to Vallecito Lake have been covered, just not sure how deep into the woods the searchers have gone. We're coming from two different perspectives here but i do appreciate a good discussion about search and strategy!

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

I don't think it was premeditated either!
I think anger played a big role in all this.

whatever happened to Dylan took place Sunday evening. I don't think they
watched a movie I don't think he was bouncing around on the sofa. I do believe MR was very busy that night and this is the reason he was so tired and took a nap!


All JMVOPO!

I am right there with you, except for premeditated. I still think that is a possibility as well.

 

[Eileen730]

I am right there with you, except for premeditated. I still think that is a possibility as well.

It is very possible!

I hate to think a parent would plan to murder their own child.
I might not like MR but I don't think hes that cold blooded Yet!



JMO