CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[cluciano63]

If MR is guilty, I do not think it was premeditated. He would have had plenty of time, anything up to about 18 hours to create alibis and cover up evidence before he contacted Elaine.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

If MR is guilty, I do not think it was premeditated. He would have had plenty of time, anything up to about 18 hours to create alibis and cover up evidence before he contacted Elaine.

Unless...he planned to contact her come evening. Unless he knew she would come immediately. Unless he had a plan to take his whole family with him. I know, that would be incredibly cold blooded in most people's thinking. In the eyes of a narcissist (MOO) it would be logical. His property. I am not saying this is what happened, but I do not consider it out of the realm of possibility.

 

[Dee10]

Unless...he planned to contact her come evening. Unless he knew she would come immediately. Unless he had a plan to take his whole family with him. I know, that would be incredibly cold blooded in most people's thinking. In the eyes of a narcissist (MOO) it would be logical. His property. I am not saying this is what happened, but I do not consider it out of the realm of possibility.

Although it may not be out of the realm of possibility, I would expect to see more domestic violence. Not excusing his past behavior at all, just thinking to get to get to that level I think there would be have been more, especially when or after she left. It bothered me greatly though when he snarkedly addressed her as "Mrs. Redwine," since they are officially divorced; as if he still owned her.

 

[ColdHands]

I always thought that if MR had planned anything, it would have been another hiding attempt. I want very much to believe that MR is hiding Dylan but its very difficult after so many months.

I don't know what the profile is of someone that sells/trafficks their child. Similar to the proposal above that premeditated murder might have been foreshadowed by domestic violence, is there any profile or identifiable behavior for someone that would sell a teenager?

Just thinking through possibilities and not suggesting this is what happened. But trafficking could be a non-murder scenario that was premeditated.

 

[ColdHands]

Also I think an unpremeditated act of rage is an act of desperation, and often it seems that men who kill their family in an act of desperation end up killing themselves too. It's kind of a falling-over-the-edge moment. IMO.

I think premeditated murderers of family are less likely to kill themselves but that's totally an opinion and not intended to be an assertion of a fact.

 

[Eileen730]

Unless...he planned to contact her come evening. Unless he knew she would come immediately. Unless he had a plan to take his whole family with him. I know, that would be incredibly cold blooded in most people's thinking. In the eyes of a narcissist (MOO) it would be logical. His property. I am not saying this is what happened, but I do not consider it out of the realm of possibility.

I thought that also, Family Annihilator!
Elaine would come running and bring Cory, he didn't count on her calling LE,
who knows!

just a thought!

 

[Eileen730]

Also I think an unpremeditated act of rage is an act of desperation, and often it seems that men who kill their family in an act of desperation end up killing themselves too. It's kind of a falling-over-the-edge moment. IMO.

I think premeditated murderers of family are less likely to kill themselves but that's totally an opinion and not intended to be an assertion of a fact.

The Family Annihilator - Fathers Who Kill
Men, on the other hand, feel rage, jealousy, hatred, and revenge when they kill their families.

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-family-annihilator-fathers-kill-375532.html?cat=72

 

[ColdHands]

The Family Annihilator - Fathers Who Kill
Men, on the other hand, feel rage, jealousy, hatred, and revenge when they kill their families.

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-family-annihilator-fathers-kill-375532.html?cat=72

Thank you for the article. Scary read! I wish the author had talked about the difference between a man who kills himself in this annihilation process and one who does not. I'm sure there are many who do not, just curious what the difference is and if it is an observable difference.

 

[AnotherSetOfEyes]

Here is another interesting article. https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/230412.pdf

Familial suicide is rare according to this article found on the NCJRS (National Criminal Justice Reference Service) site. Not sure if it can be posted here, will let the mods decide.

Toward the end of the article I see a profile that, in my opinion only, could pretty well describe MR and what was happening in his life at that point in time. If MR was involved with Dylan's disappearance, this is just one possibility. Admittedly rare. Sudden anger would be far more common certainly.

There are a couple of things that made me raise an eyebrow. One was his comment to Melissa Blasius, that he called Elaine and then Elaine contacted police'and that is when all h... broke loose.' Another is considered rumor, I think, so can't be said here.

 

[katydid23]

Thank you for the article. Scary read! I wish the author had talked about the difference between a man who kills himself in this annihilation process and one who does not. I'm sure there are many who do not, just curious what the difference is and if it is an observable difference.

Narcissistic Sociopaths don't tend to kill themselves. :wink:

 

[mijamawi]

The previous articles linked are discussing familial homicide. I'm not seeing where this has anything to do with this case. Interesting reads though.

 

[katydid23]

The previous articles linked are discussing familial homicide. I'm not seeing where this has anything to do with this case. Interesting reads though.

This would be considered a familial homicide if Mark killed his son.

 

[mijamawi]

This would be considered a familial homicide if Mark killed his son.

The articles linked are dads killing the whole family.

ETA: The articles linked discuss the murderer killing more than just one child.

 

[mijamawi]

I was looking at the pictures of Dylan we have seen. They are all so different. He looks so young in some, short hair, long hair. I'm glad they released the Walmart pic so we'd have an idea of how his hair is.

He looks so much like his father, especially in the school pic of him on the main poster.

There was a kid that recently moved into my neighborhood and I saw him skateboarding today. He had longish curly hair, and I totally thought of Dylan.

Thinking of you, Dylan, and praying you are home soon. :heart:

 

[SCHMAE]

A spur of the moment , anger fueled incident sounds great in theory ! But those are the kinds of scenes that usually leave a wealth of physical evidence and there is none ! Or at least none that we are aware of . Right? The only way I can see MR doing something and leaving no trace would be careful , premeditated , well thought out with all his bases covered and I don't know if I can buy that he did that. I can totally see him flying into a rage , however, but leaving so neat and spotless a house/truck and any other potential crime scene doesn't seem to fit with the rage theory. Thoughts?
Either way I certainly don't want to get into a debate about it. I just wanted to stop by
and say COME HOME YOUNG MAN !

 

[mijamawi]

A spur of the moment , anger fueled incident sounds great in theory ! But those are the kinds of scenes that usually leave a wealth of physical evidence and there is none ! Or at least none that we are aware of . Right? The only way I can see MR doing something and leaving no trace would be careful , premeditated , well thought out with all his bases covered and I don't know if I can buy that he did that. I can totally see him flying into a rage , however, but leaving so neat and spotless a house/truck and any other potential crime scene doesn't seem to fit with the rage theory. Thoughts?
Either way I certainly don't want to get into a debate about it. I just wanted to stop by
and say COME HOME YOUNG MAN !

I think you've summed up nicely why I'm still on the fence.

IF MR killed Dylan in a fit of rage, I believe there'd be evidence and an arrest. Remember LE have stated Dylan made it to MR's house. Had that not been confirmed, I might be able to see something happening on the way home.

IF MR killed Dylan in a careful, premeditated plan, then well he didn't cover all his bases because there are plenty of question marks that I would think might be covered in a premeditated scenario, especially one that has gone without an arrest for 6+ months.

I don't think MR's home was spotless by any means. Just looking around his home in the interview with MB, you can see he's not an anal retentive neat freak. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

A spur of the moment , anger fueled incident sounds great in theory ! But those are the kinds of scenes that usually leave a wealth of physical evidence and there is none ! Or at least none that we are aware of . Right? The only way I can see MR doing something and leaving no trace would be careful , premeditated , well thought out with all his bases covered and I don't know if I can buy that he did that. I can totally see him flying into a rage , however, but leaving so neat and spotless a house/truck and any other potential crime scene doesn't seem to fit with the rage theory. Thoughts?
Either way I certainly don't want to get into a debate about it. I just wanted to stop by
and say COME HOME YOUNG MAN !

It would depend upon what happened, if true. Not all crimes/deaths leave blood evidence.

 

[mijamawi]

It would depend upon what happened, if true. Not all crimes/deaths leave blood evidence.

True, but violent fits of rage usually do.

 

[cluciano63]

True, but violent fits of rage usually do.

Well, strangulation might not, or a head wound that did not bleed. Or suffocation. Any of those could happen as a result of anger, IMO, if Dylan did or said something that angered MR.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

51 threads and still nothing, I know we have tried to think of other possibilities but in the end it's MR we are still discussing. I fear that he is going to have to confess or make a big mistake before we will ever know where Dylan is. It's just so very sad.