CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[mijamawi]

Well, strangulation might not, or a head wound that did not bleed. Or suffocation. Any of those could happen as a result of anger, IMO, if Dylan did or said something that angered MR.

True enough. The picture painted of MR and his "violent tendencies" don't lead to either of those scenarios though. IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

True enough. The picture painted of MR and his "violent tendencies" don't lead to either of those scenarios though. IMO.

I am not sure one can determine what one is capable of, or prone to do, in advance. Life, and LE's jobs, might be much easier, if so.

 

[mijamawi]

I am not sure one can determine what one is capable of, or prone to do, in advance. Life, and LE's jobs, might be much easier, if so.

Of course. I was talking out our verified insider and her depiction of MR as a violent abuser.

 

[cluciano63]

I happen to believe what our verified poster has said about MR's violent tendencies, as well as what ER said on the Dr. Phil show. I do not see any good reason why they would lie. They want Dylan found and if MR is not a likely candidate in their minds, why would they want to put him forward as a possibility?

 

[katydid23]

True, but violent fits of rage usually do.

But a struggle between a big strong man and a slight, small framed boy would be over very quickly. One quick punch, even in the chest, could do it. No muss, no fuss.

 

[mijamawi]

I happen to believe what our verified poster has said about MR's violent tendencies, as well as what ER said on the Dr. Phil show. I do not see any good reason why they would lie. They want Dylan found and if MR is not a likely candidate in their minds, why would they want to put him forward as a possibility?

I didn't say anything about lying. <Mod Snip>
I said that based on the violent tendencies that our verified insider has stated throughout these last 51 threads, IF MR went into a fit of rage, it was violent. Violent murders leave evidence. IMO

 

[katydid23]

I didn't say anything about lying. This is where people twist words...

I said that based on the violent tendencies that our verified insider has stated throughout these last 51 threads, IF MR went into a fit of rage, it was violent. Violent murders leave evidence. IMO

We don't know where the crime scene was. If it was outside then maybe there would be no one examining it.

 

[mijamawi]

But a struggle between a big strong man and a slight, small framed boy would be over very quickly. One quick punch, even in the chest, could do it. No muss, no fuss.

Yep, you're right. All I'm saying is MR has been painted as a violent, abusive person who was pushed to his limits because his son wanted to hang out with friends. People who are painted in this way don't stop with one punch. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Yep, you're right. All I'm saying is MR has been painted as a violent, abusive person who was pushed to his limits because his son wanted to hang out with friends. People who are painted in this way don't stop with one punch. JMO

He reportedly used some restraint in the past. He punched or slapped or pushed but not repeatedly so.

 

[katydid23]

I think he took D's phone at some point, and they argued. And I think he began drinking. Then later, perhaps Dylan tried to get his phone back. And they fought over it. OR he began drinking and D decided to leave the home, and MR followed him, angrily. And things went sideways somewhere outside. JMO

And I don't think it was just about seeing his friends either. I think they were having a difficult conversation about something that MR was ashamed of, and it may have triggered some sudden rage.

 

[mijamawi]

He reportedly used some restraint in the past. He punched or slapped or pushed but not repeatedly so.

You're either a violent abuser or you're not. (General you)

According to our verified insider, MR was a violent abuser. If you couple that with drinking and specific confrontation, then you have a very angry, violent person.

Violent people don't tend to use restraint, especially when drinking and/or confronted with certain things. IF MR flew into a fit of rage, it was very violent based on the picture we have of MR. JMO

 

[katydid23]

You're either a violent abuser or you're not. (General you)

According to our verified insider, MR was a violent abuser. If you couple that with drinking and specific confrontation, then you have a very angry, violent person.

Violent people don't tend to use restraint, especially when drinking and/or confronted with certain things. IF MR flew into a fit of rage, it was very violent based on the picture we have of MR. JMO

Gee, I hope his attorney uses this defense if he goes to trial. He is an angry, violent drunk, so he couldn't have done this crime?

Just because there was no evidence found 10 days later at his home, it does not mean he didn't assault his son, imo.

 

[azgrandma]

IMO any murder is violent. IMO any abuse is violent. How do you murder someone in a non-violent way and how do you abuse someone in a non-violent way?

You is general not anyone specific

 

[katydid23]

You're either a violent abuser or you're not. (General you)

According to our verified insider, MR was a violent abuser. If you couple that with drinking and specific confrontation, then you have a very angry, violent person.

Violent people don't tend to use restraint, especially when drinking and/or confronted with certain things. IF MR flew into a fit of rage, it was very violent based on the picture we have of MR. JMO

BBM

I think there are shades of grey. He never previously brutally battered anyone enough to break bones or send them to the hospital, as far as I know. But he had a volatile temper and lashed out violently, slapping, punching, shoving people.

 

[cluciano63]

I didn't say anything about lying. <Mod Snip>
I said that based on the violent tendencies that our verified insider has stated throughout these last 51 threads, IF MR went into a fit of rage, it was violent. Violent murders leave evidence. IMO

I did not mean to say that you thought they were lying. Just that I do not see where it would get them to even exaggerate any such tendencies or incidents, as that would not help find Dylan. No one, IMO, wants LE focusing their attention in the wrong place.

 

[mijamawi]

Gee, I hope his attorney uses this defense if he goes to trial. He is an angry, violent drunk, so he couldn't have done this crime?
Just because there was no evidence found 10 days later at his home, it does not mean he didn't assault his son, imo.

BBM

Say what? I didn't say anything of the sort.

 

[mijamawi]

BBM

I think there are shades of grey. He never previously brutally battered anyone enough to break bones or send them to the hospital, as far as I know. But he had a volatile temper and lashed out violently, slapping, punching, shoving people.

Tell victims of abuse there are different shades of gray. You're either abused or you're not. You're either an abuser or you're not. There's no middle ground, IMO. Are you saying if someone is punched or slapped or shoved, but nothing is broken, then it's not abuse or maybe just a lighter shade of abuse? Help me out here, please, because I can't imagine that's what is meant.

I did not mean to say that you thought they were lying. Just that I do not see where it would get them to even exaggerate any such tendencies or incidents, as that would not help find Dylan. No one, IMO, wants LE focusing their attention in the wrong place.

Ok, I didn't say anything about anyone exaggerating. I'm trying to hop on the bus and see how things went down according to others. So, let's get back to MR as having a violent temper. Rage killings, IMO, are usually pretty violent, no? Overkill? Someone mentioned earlier about MR having about 18 hours to cover up his crime. So, let's say he violently murdered Dylan at his house or outside the house. He's got 18 hours to clean up his mess. Does he drive Dylan's body as far as he can and still get back in time to make his errands? Doe he dump Dylan's body in the lake? Does he dig a shallow grave?

I think the lake is almost ruled out. If MR transported Dylan's dead body somewhere, then surely there would be hits on the truck, I would think anyway.

I'm rambling again.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

just in case people come straight to this thread. EH will be on Tricia's True Crime Radio tonight.

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[katydid23]

Tell victims of abuse there are different shades of gray. You're either abused or you're not. You're either an abuser or you're not. There's no middle ground, IMO. Are you saying if someone is punched or slapped or shoved, but nothing is broken, then it's not abuse or maybe just a lighter shade of abuse? Help me out here, please, because I can't imagine that's what is meant.

Yes, I am saying there are degrees of abuse. I am not saying it is OK or alright, to slap someone once, but it is just a little 'less' violent. There is a big difference between an angry drunk who shoves someone or gives them a quick slap, imo, as opposed to someone who repeatedly punches someone in the face and kicks them over and over in the stomach, sending them to the emergency room. Shades of gray, imo. Night and day. All of it is abusive, but it is a matter of degree. And it is possible that someone can KILL a child with one quick punch, without leaving a bloody crime scene.

 

[katydid23]

BBM

Say what? I didn't say anything of the sort.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought you were implying that MR could not have done this, because if he did snap, and he he was a drunken, violent rageful person, he would lose control and would have left evidence at the crime scene.