CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #51

[Deleted member 39678]

I am sure he has. But there is one portion of the interview, where he specifically describes Dylan getting into a car with his kidnapper/killer, and there is no grief, sorrow, emotion in his voice as he discusses it. It gave me pause.

Why would he have to show emotion in describing this scenario? Some men will just keep their feelings inside.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Is this possible? Does anyone know who MR's cell provider is and I'll try to research.

I believe he said Verizon. Or maybe Dylan had Verizon? I can't be sure of my memory on that one. I do know that Verizon does not have "selective" blocking. You block the number not the application (text or call). Blocking means both are blocked although blocking a number does not prevent the person from calling or texting the person they have blocked. Sort of like the ignore feature here. If you have me on ignore, I still see you. If I have you on ignore, you still see me. So, MR could have blocked and unblocked people at will and still called or texted the same people in spite of it.

 

[ColdHands]

Thanks ColdHands.

The politics thing would make sense to me except it's hotter than heck here where I live in August so all they really did was create another month where either the kids roast or the A/C has to be used. I know that's OT for Colorado though. Thanks for finding the specifics for his school.

Oh sorry, I meant that's the current state and the schools are trying to get that changed to a September start because of the hot classrooms in August.

 

[Money Girl]

And if you listen to his voice, and not the transcript, another clue jumps out. Unlike Elaines voice, Mark's has NO GRIEF, NO SORROW, when he discusses his missing son. Just glib accusations against others and explanations and justifications for his own actions. He sounds very self serving and confident, but no painful GRIEF, none at all.

I don't share your opinion.

 

[Money Girl]

I'm not so sure that it was solely Mark's mention of a fishing pole that guided the initial LE investigation. I would hope that LE looked at other possible scenarios because Mark told them that he was gone for several hours and he didn't know where Dylan was. MOO.

If I thought a fishing pole was missing along with my missing son, I would certainly have mentioned it to LE.

 

[katydid23]

I don't share your opinion.

Does he sound sad and grief stricken n that interview, in your opinion?

 

[katydid23]

If I thought a fishing pole was missing along with my missing son, I would certainly have mentioned it to LE.

Where do you think Dylan went, with that fishing pole?

 

[katydid23]

I'm not so sure that it was solely Mark's mention of a fishing pole that guided the initial LE investigation. I would hope that LE looked at other possible scenarios because Mark told them that he was gone for several hours and he didn't know where Dylan was. MOO.

The fishing pole is one of the things that makes me very suspicious of MR.

Why would D take his fishing pole and all of his belongings that morning?

 

[Money Girl]

I agree it was not solely Mark's discussion of the pole. But according to locals who posted here previously, local LE is very experienced in SEARCh and RESCUE because it is a camping/hunting/hiking environment. So their first response is going to be that, especially when the father says the fishing pole is missing. NOBODY gets abducted there, but many get lost or injured in the woods. So they are naturally going to get out to the areas he was known to hike and fish around. He could have died if he had fallen into a crevice or was injured in the rocks somewhere. So I am not going to fault them for going with an obvious potential scenario. It was more probable that he went on a hike, than it was that he was abducted, according to statistics.

I believe LE started their search immediately upon hearing of DR's disappearance. They used search and rescue teams and dogs right away. They searched many, many areas, not only around the lake. The lake was in addition to their many other searches.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

If I thought a fishing pole was missing along with my missing son, I would certainly have mentioned it to LE.

Of course you would. And LE would have taken that into consideration. It wouldn't necessarily make them focus on the lake. Aren't there streams and creeks around there?

Maybe the fishing pole isn't even connected to Dylan's disappearance. I'm sure that went thru the detectives minds. MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The fishing pole is one of the things that makes me very suspicious of MR.

Why would D take his fishing pole and all of his belongings that morning?

I'm not sure that Dylan did take a fishing pole when he left the house. All I know is that Mark noticed it was missing. When it went missing is not known. MOO.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

The fishing pole is one of the things that makes me very suspicious of MR.

Why would D take his fishing pole and all of his belongings that morning?

I don't know how to say this, but when someone looks for traits, behaviors, suspicious things about another person---they will find them. The trick is balancing objective facts, filtering out biases, being attentive to contradictions in one's own thinking, and being careful to not see things in black and white.

Everyone. I mean everyone does suspicious things. Everyone in Dylan's family has done some odd things. Things I can't even dream of doing. Are they all guilty of something? All of them? I doubt it. I don't think that a single member of Dylan's immediate family is either "all good" or "all bad". They are people in the midst of a crisis.

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Perhaps you all (said in deference to the thread about regional usages of the term!) would like some feedback from an experienced sleuther who is new to this particular case. I know NONE of the details of the case. Will give impressions based solely on listening to the interviews on Blog Talk Radio.

Elaine:
1.) Extremely emotional woman.
2.) Justifiably upset that her 13 year old son is missing.
3.) Extremely angry and bitter towards her ex-husband. No hesitation in accusing him of vile acts.
4.) Difficult time seeing beyond her own bitterness? Could be clouding her good judgment?
5.) Almost WANTS the father to have culpability?
6.) This woman needs therapy and support immediately.

Mark:
1.) Sounds like he is belatedly coming out of his own defensive "fog".
2.) Speaks well with a lot of what he says sounding rehearsed or programmed.
3.) In attempting to listen to how he says things as opposed to what he is actually saying, he does not exhibit the long pauses, the "umms", etc. of the known liars we have heard so often.
4.) He sounds angry about the accusations, but not particularly bitter towards Elaine. If anything, he sounds relieved to no longer be married to her.
5.) All of us know that Dr. Phil is interested in his ratings, not in providing family therapy. I wish a different venue had been chosen for national exposure.
6.) Continuously speaks of his son in the present tense, even when answering unexpected questions during a rather far-ranging interview by Tricia.


I want to give particular recognition to Tricia for conducting these interviews in an extremely sensitive and professional manner. You were certainly walking a tightrope there, Tricia, and you handled it well.

I will now be going to read up on the facts of this case. I would also like to add at this time that I don't know if anyone in this case took a polygraph, but I personally would never take one. Ever. For anything. They are highly subjective, extremely dependent on the mindset of the "operator", subject to misreading, subject to emotions, border on junk science, are not accepted by any court of law. That law enforcement agencies continue to use these tests to "rule out" or "rule in" persons of interest or suspects or whatever you want to call them, never ceases to amaze me.

Right now, I don't think either of the parents had anything to do with this. Which leaves "stranger danger". He was a small looking, blonde looking, likely troubled 13 year old. How closely have they checked the registered sex offenders, I wonder?

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Perhaps you all (said in deference to the thread about regional usages of the term!) would like some feedback from an experienced sleuther who is new to this particular case. I know NONE of the details of the case. Will give impressions based solely on listening to the interviews on Blog Talk Radio.

Elaine:
1.) Extremely emotional woman.
2.) Justifiably upset that her 13 year old son is missing.
3.) Extremely angry and bitter towards her ex-husband. No hesitation in accusing him of vile acts.
4.) Difficult time seeing beyond her own bitterness? Could be clouding her good judgment?
5.) Almost WANTS the father to have culpability?
6.) This woman needs therapy and support immediately.

Mark:
1.) Sounds like he is belatedly coming out of his own defensive "fog".
2.) Speaks well with a lot of what he says sounding rehearsed or programmed.
3.) In attempting to listen to how he says things as opposed to what he is actually saying, he does not exhibit the long pauses, the "umms", etc. of the known liars we have heard so often.
4.) He sounds angry about the accusations, but not particularly bitter towards Elaine. If anything, he sounds relieved to no longer be married to her.
5.) All of us know that Dr. Phil is interested in his ratings, not in providing family therapy. I wish a different venue had been chosen for national exposure.
6.) Continuously speaks of his son in the present tense, even when answering unexpected questions during a rather far-ranging interview by Tricia.


I want to give particular recognition to Tricia for conducting these interviews in an extremely sensitive and professional manner. You were certainly walking a tightrope there, Tricia, and you handled it well.

I will now be going to read up on the facts of this case. I would also like to add at this time that I don't know if anyone in this case took a polygraph, but I personally would never take one. Ever. For anything. They are highly subjective, extremely dependent on the mindset of the "operator", subject to misreading, subject to emotions, border on junk science, are not accepted by any court of law. That law enforcement agencies continue to use these tests to "rule out" or "rule in" persons of interest or suspects or whatever you want to call them, never ceases to amaze me.

Right now, I don't think either of the parents had anything to do with this. Which leaves "stranger danger". He was a small looking, blonde looking, likely troubled 13 year old. How closely have they checked the registered sex offenders, I wonder?

This is the absolute most insightful post I have seen about this case. Thank you! I think you are right about MR seeming rehearsed somewhat. He has been quiet for a long time and I get the sense he has indeed practiced some of what he wants to say.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

This is the absolute most insightful post I have seen about this case. Thank you! I think you are right about MR seeming rehearsed somewhat. He has been quiet for a long time and I get the sense he has indeed practiced some of what he wants to say.

I agree that AlwaysShocked's post was brilliant.

I'm would not be surprised if Mark took some time to prepare for his interview with Tricia after the Dr Phil debacle. MOO.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think that Dylan was 'troubled.'

 

[Money Girl]

I don't think that Dylan was 'troubled.'

Some children from divorced families who are then combined with other families may be somewhat confused.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

I don't think that Dylan was 'troubled.'

I think Dylan had some troubles. He has even more now.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

This is the absolute most insightful post I have seen about this case. Thank you! I think you are right about MR seeming rehearsed somewhat. He has been quiet for a long time and I get the sense he has indeed practiced some of what he wants to say.

Making sure he has his story right?

 

[Emma Ems]

I wish LE would give us a new press release.