CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #8

[Confusion]

BBM

Well what I'm most curious about is why MR is willing to talk about where Dylan slept, what he had for breakfast, what he was watching on television but we've yet to hear what kind of phone he had and whether the battery wore down while he was texting his friends in the car on the way home from the airport/Walmart/McDonald's run. Why did he not mention this detail? Why are we hearing nothing about what transpired after they returned home until 7:30am the next morning?

Are there neighbours close enough to have noticed what time MR's truck pulled into the driveway? Has MR mentioned what time they actually got home that evening?

MOO

Why would he tell "us" those things? If my son was missing, and I really wanted to find him, I don't think I'd use the limited exposure I had to people to say - he uses a {name brand and/or model of cellphone} and it probably has a dead battery. I'd rather focus on things that might actually help find him. They don't go on those shows to satisfy our curiosity, they do it to help find their child. I'm sure that he has told LE all of those things, and if they need him to give them more information, I'm sure they'll ask him. I'm just as sure that they won't tell him to make sure that all of the armchair sleuthers also get the memos! He didn't say the exact time, and may not even know. I don't usually check the time when I get home unless there's a specific reason for it. MOO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Now for something that I never say.....I can't wait for nancy grace tonight! Hoping for some new tid bit of info

 

[cluciano63]

They haven't ruled anyone in, so it's hard to rule anyone out. They wouldn't even call dad a person of interest, and he was the last known person to see Dylan. IN Lauren S. case, pretty much everybody who saw her before she went missing was declared a POI.

I know they seldom do, but they ruled out Jessica's parents fairly quickly and knew it must be an abduction, even though the circumstances are possibly not all that different.

 

[SCHMAE]

I'll recap Nancy Grace's show for you now, before it comes on !
Because I have seen it . It starts with a giant BREAKING NEWS banner across
the screen, most likely with some graphics and sounds of SIRENS like off the top
of a police car too. Her breaking news will be something we discussed 8 days ago
like...... DID DYLAN HAVE A FISHING POLE? She'll beat that topic to death for half
an hour with a team of 'experts' who are way less smart than her because she talks
over and interrupts everything they say. She'll threaten at least one defense attorney, unrelated to the case, but who is on the show as a guest to give insight . She'll say "" IF THAT WERE MY CHILD, I WOULD FLY TO THE MOON BEFORE LEAVING HIM HOME ALONE" . ( note her children are about 3 yrs old so of course they can't be left alone) . Then she'll take a few calls from interested but unrelated parties across the country and they'll ask a great question and she'll say that is a GREAT question and go to commercial break and you'll never hear the answer !

YOU"RE WELCOME !

ETA I would be shocked if anything ' new ' comes from the nancy show !

 

[Linda7NJ]

https://twitter.com/NancyGraceHLN

Nancy Grace ‏@NancyGraceHLN
Mother of missing boy taking your on-air calls right now: 877-626-2901 #FindDylan

Why is it they always seem to put through the STUPID questions? Like......Why can't they force dad to take a polygraph....makes me want to rip my hair out!

 

[Ronso]

I'll recap Nancy Grace's show for you now, before it comes on !
Because I have seen it . It starts with a giant BREAKING NEWS banner across
the screen, most likely with some graphics and sounds of SIRENS like off the top
of a police car too. Her breaking news will be something we discussed 8 days ago
like...... DID DYLAN HAVE A FISHING POLE? She'll beat that topic to death for half
an hour with a team of 'experts' who are way less smart than her because she talks
over and interrupts everything they say. She'll threaten at least one defense attorney, unrelated to the case, but who is on the show as a guest to give insight . She'll say "" IF THAT WERE MY CHILD, I WOULD FLY TO THE MOON BEFORE LEAVING HIM HOME ALONE" . ( note her children are about 3 yrs old so of course they can't be left alone) . Then she'll take a few calls from interested but unrelated parties across the country and they'll ask a great question and she'll say that is a GREAT question and go to commercial break and you'll never hear the answer !

YOU"RE WELCOME !

Best.NG.Recap.Ever

 

[jjenny]

I'll recap Nancy Grace's show for you now, before it comes on !
Because I have seen it . It starts with a giant BREAKING NEWS banner across
the screen, most likely with some graphics and sounds of SIRENS like off the top
of a police car too. Her breaking news will be something we discussed 8 days ago
like...... DID DYLAN HAVE A FISHING POLE? She'll beat that topic to death for half
an hour with a team of 'experts' who are way less smart than her because she talks
over and interrupts everything they say. She'll threaten at least one defense attorney, unrelated to the case, but who is on the show as a guest to give insight . She'll say "" IF THAT WERE MY CHILD, I WOULD FLY TO THE MOON BEFORE LEAVING HIM HOME ALONE" . ( note her children are about 3 yrs old so of course they can't be left alone) . Then she'll take a few calls from interested but unrelated parties across the country and they'll ask a great question and she'll say that is a GREAT question and go to commercial break and you'll never hear the answer !

YOU"RE WELCOME !

And don't forget people calling in, saying "I love you, Nancy."
:floorlaugh:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You know what, you're right?
If ER had said nothing derogatory about MR,
would he be as ' in the hot seat' as he is?
I mean yes the last one to see Dylan puts
him there somewhat , but I feel like most of the
rest of the 'feelings' about him are from her words.
Since none of us know them personally, her words
carry weight, but think of all the people you know
who continually talk S*** and even make up crazy
stories about their X just to paint them in a bad light.
I feel like what she said was an 'excited utterance' almost,
not something she thought about or maybe something
she didnt' even really MEAN to the core, but it's done its'
damage, hasn't it?

Has she repeated it since the first time she said it?

If she hasnt then she may be regretting she ever said it although it is way too late. Thats the thing about hurling accusations this horrific........they can never be taken back.

IIMO

 

[Seajay]

In regards to mom being "officially ruled out" or not....

I'd asked about this yesterday (and the day before that... and the day before that too) if ANYONE had "officially" been "ruled out" at least to our public knowledge.

As far as I knew then and as far as I know now, nobody has been officially ruled out. Neither parent, other family members, RSO's, neighbors, anyone. If they have, I have not heard it, seen it, or read it anywhere... not by MSM in a confirmed, official manner.

Whether they're not able to rule individuals out, don't want to tip anyone off, have no clue what's going on, .... it's all anyone's guess.

That's all jmo based on what I think I know.

Then it means nothing that Dad hasn't been ruled out either. I saw a post where because Dad wasn't ruled out, he was guilty. But now it's made clear that no one has been ruled out. Thank you.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Jessica Ridgeway's father also lived far away from Jessica too but they specifically ruled him out. I imagine they checked to make sure that he was were he said he was at the time. Since at that time they had no clue what had happened to JR.

Oh I do think they have interviewed her. We have no idea what they may have thought at first or even now actually and may have thought she or someone in her family may have taken Dylan so MR would lose his visitation rights altogether.

They would be remiss if they did not interview her extensively. It was certainly a distance she could have driven. It wasnt like he went on the other side of the country to be with his dad.

imo

there are many differences between this case and Jewssica Ridgeways case, for one LE did regular pressers for that one, we are not seeing anything like that here.

I would say that Elaine Redwine has been interviewed too, but not because of any suspicion of involvement in Dylans disappearance.
To find out what Dylan is like and to ask questions about her ex husband.


what possible logical reason would there be for her to put son on plane on sunday and then drive 5 hours each way to the same destination and be back home by the time she is notified of Dylan missing? it defies any rational logic IMO

ER mentioned her fears immediately, which most people would do. I've not heard her repeat it constantly since then.

I agree with not pointing the finger in one direction, although, people tend to point where knowledge and evidence is which is natural IMO. I've suggested we consider the terrain and wild animals, the hitch hiking is still on the list too.

 

[cluciano63]

Why is it they always seem to put through the STUPID questions? Like......Why can't they force dad to take a polygraph....makes me want to rip my hair out!

I think just because they want to answer certain questions and go off on tangents about them...also playing to their audience in a sense, JMO.

 

[Seek&Find]

I thought they said they were open to all possibilites. I never saw that they only ever listed just two.

In fact I havent seen them rule out that he may have willingly gone somewhere and had an accident. Have they ruled out accident?

I do know they included a possible abduction and a homicide which of course could have resulted after the abduction. I havent seen LE rule out an abduction yet either.

I'll see if I can find the links again for you. The investigation's been narrowed several times, in several ways, this week. I'd posted the changes, in succession, previously within the last 48 hours, but can't find it now. So many posts, so little time. .

Yes, they'd narrowed it to runaway and foul play, then said they'd ruled out run away.

Yes, abduction could fall into the foul play/criminal investigation category.

Moo

 

[PoeticJustice]

I'll recap Nancy Grace's show for you now, before it comes on !
Because I have seen it . It starts with a giant BREAKING NEWS banner across
the screen, most likely with some graphics and sounds of SIRENS like off the top
of a police car too. Her breaking news will be something we discussed 8 days ago
like...... DID DYLAN HAVE A FISHING POLE? She'll beat that topic to death for half
an hour with a team of 'experts' who are way less smart than her because she talks
over and interrupts everything they say. She'll threaten at least one defense attorney, unrelated to the case, but who is on the show as a guest to give insight . She'll say "" IF THAT WERE MY CHILD, I WOULD FLY TO THE MOON BEFORE LEAVING HIM HOME ALONE" . ( note her children are about 3 yrs old so of course they can't be left alone) . Then she'll take a few calls from interested but unrelated parties across the country and they'll ask a great question and she'll say that is a GREAT question and go to commercial break and you'll never hear the answer !

YOU"RE WELCOME !

LOL. you have to admit, she's quite entertaining. i do admire her persistence. If you ever REALLY wanna laugh, look up Kathy Griffen's stand up about her...and the "Champagne Jamboree" me and my girlfriend were in tears laughing.

back to Dylan!

With all the theories out there, I just don't understand who would knock on the door and kidnap Dylan. If he did indeed leave the house of his own accord, it widens the spectrum on possibilities...but I just can't understand the details of the case...some of this is just not making sense.

 

[jennapuppy]

Re: BBM. Does this apply to Dad as well? Does it make sense for him to be discussing their squabbles and differences in his interviews?

Yes, the police are investigating. Dad has continued to voice many frustrations with LE.



In contrast to mom's opinion of LE:

link

Yes, LE had narrowed this case down to two possibilities: runaway or foul play. They then stated they'd ruled out that Dylan ran away, and that this is now a criminal investigation. IMO, they have far more info than we do, and concrete reasons for both narrowing the investigation and choosing to publicize that they'd done so. (links in prev threads)

Moo

Don't you think he's done this mainly to defend himself against her accusations? In the beginning, he didn't even want to talk to the media at all.

 

[Bravo]

I do find it interesting LE has not released any pictures of the phone,backpack,clothing Dylan was described as wearing etc. How are folks suppose to know what to look for. Mom would have provided that info easily. Why has LE not released this? Have they found it? I know they described the backpack and clothing. Yet we have no idea what type of phone Dylan had.

 

[cluciano63]

there are many differences between this case and Jewssica Ridgeways case, for one LE did regular pressers for that one, we are not seeing anything like that here.

I would say that Elaine Redwine has been interviewed too, but not because of any suspicion of involvement in Dylans disappearance.
To find out what Dylan is like and to ask questions about her ex husband.


what possible logical reason would there be for her to put son on plane on sunday and then drive 5 hours each way to the same destination and be back home by the time she is notified of Dylan missing? it defies any rational logic IMO

ER mentioned her fears immediately, which most people would do. I've not heard her repeat it constantly since then.

I agree with not pointing the finger in one direction, although, people tend to point where knowledge and evidence is which is natural IMO. I've suggested we consider the terrain and wild animals, the hitch hiking is still on the list too.

I think it is too early to say that there are many differences between the two cases; I think they could be very similar. In both cases, the child may have left the house alone on foot. In both cases, the parent did not find out the child was missing for some hours. In both cases, the other parent was far away at the time. We have no idea what happened to Dylan, so how can we say the cases are different? Yes, they are being treated differently by LE, in that this LE is not forthcoming to the public, but that is the only real difference I am sure of right now.

 

[OneLove]

It sounds like it is old stuff to me and its totally irrelevant to Dylan's disappearance imo. FGS they have been divorced five years. Its just a diversionary tactic to make MR look bad now five years later.

IMO

Except that I don't believe it is "old" for the Redwines themselves. If it IS true that dad has been angry recently about mom having primary custody, if she IS angry about how Dylan is treated by him, if there ARE differences in parental behavior expectations, if one wants to see Dylan more but isn't allowed, if one wants to have veto power over the few visitations that are court ordered, these are ALL very painful and very CURRENT issues for these people.

Just because WE would like to say "fugettaboutit" to them and have them go on about their lives and have no "feelings" as pertains to these very real and very painful issues for THEM doesn't mean this is all made up after 5 years just as a diversionary tactic. Personally, I think that invalidates the reality these people were ALL living in. They were ALL clearly in pain for different reasons. I don't think that just showed up as a "charade" on November 19.

ETA: And there is still a possibility that, in the end, these issues may be what cost an innocent child his very life. That's not "old", neither is it "diversionary".

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

That is why I put aside my own past experiences when looking at cases and do not let my mind become biased. I do not compare the cases to my own as I have no clue what really happened in this marriage and who was at fault. Frankly I doubt either was perfect. We have no idea who was controlling or who was treated like crap......could be both of them were.

I just think it has a way of clouding my judgment if I equate ex-relationships with my own.

Its no different to me than another female automatically believing a female claiming abuse without questioning it. I have seen some women who were abused and if a woman claims abuse they will automatically believe it because they had been abused too. Not me....I question everything and I was abused in my childhood and adulthood. Women can be some of the biggest liars ever......yeah even about being abused too. We have even seen cases where the female lied when she said she was abused.

IMO

BBM, agree 100%. The one thing that I do believe based upon my experience is that rarely is anyone "all good" or "all bad." JMOO, it is more likely that both people in a troubled relationship have contributed to the general crappiness of the situation. (Eg., I sure don't miss my ex and I have no problem admitting that he's a , but I also know that sometimes I was a real beotch to him, too.) That is not passing judgment on anyone...just from my own experience and from people-watching. :fence:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Your previous post stated:

BBM

I was curious where you got the info that the local LE is "always" the lead agency, especially given there are multiple local agencies involved. As the link states and it's appeared during the investigation, they are working in conjunction with each other. I'd posit they probably collaborate to determine what's released publicly, but IDK, and this link doesn't address that, IMO.

When something so specific is stated as fact, without a link, I'm always curious about the source.

Moo

I will try to take the time to find it for you tomorrow when I have time, Seek. Just too tired tonight. Ive wrapped over 100 presents in the last few days and Im bone tired tonight. Im sorry Ive been on these boards so long I forget and assume that everyone knows the local jurisdiction where the crime or incident occured is the leading agency unless it is a federal crime which this isnt. The state and FBI agencies are called in by the local agencies to assist them in the investigation. In fact the local jurisdiction must request their assistance. They just cant barge in when not asked.

IMO

 

[OneLove]

I see both sides.

I had several near death experiences because of my X. She struggles with schizo affective disorder and paranoid schiz, etc etc etc, and god knows what she says about me, as we have extremely bad blood between us. However, I wouldn't be surprised if no one really believed what I've said about my X due to how dripping with anger and bitterness my words are. Not something I'm proud of, but my feelings will never change.

Just adding some perspective.

Thanks. And your feelings AND your experiences are very REAL. Not a diversionary tactic made up to make your ex "look" bad. I'm thinking her actions did that all by themselves. You are entitled to your reality.