CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, found deceased, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *Arrest* #64

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Just catching up with the testimony. When the defense has tried to aim for the DID insanity, they also know if they can get the jury to believe that she had another major disorder it might give another route to NGRI.
RSBM

I really, really hope not. I think they're hoping to swing it to borderline if they can't get DID, but I don't think borderline will get them what they want. Even if she did really have a transitory psychosis at the exact time she killed Gannon (and I don't think she did), everything that she did from that point onward was planned, calculating, and cruel, right up to the present day. And we have clear evidence of preplanning, too. Her google searches weren't done in a state of psychosis.

At every step, she's shown drive, purpose, and cunning. Not insanity.

MOO
 
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No way anyone wants to have that baby girl on the stand.
I think it would really turn off the jury and feel exploitive .
She doesn’t need to relive that trauma.
JMO

Long before the NGRI defense was planted in LS's head, we had LS telling his sister not to disturb GS and sent her out to ride her bike. We had AS crying over his daughter not being allowed inside the house. And in the rare chance, it's true that sister helped LS do anything, no way would AS/LH ever allow their daughter to testify and be traumatized about this for life. MOO
 
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[…]

In the interview, conducted in March 2022, Stauch told the psychologist that she had become very paranoid in the days leading up to Gannon's death.

Stauch said she believed she was being followed by someone in a black car, and that she also believed a man named “Michael the Archangel” was following her.

She also told the psychologist that she couldn't remember large chunks of the day that Gannon was reported missing, and that at one point she ended up naked in her garage and didn’t remember how she got there.

Stauch's attorneys claim that she suffers from dissociative identity disorder, a mental illness in which a person has more than one personality. Earlier in the trial, the prosecution played an interview in which Stauch told a psychologist that she has numerous personalities with names like Harmony, Jasmine, Taylor and Maria.

She claims to have been acting as Maria when prosecutors say she shot Gannon. In a separate interview in June 2022, Stauch described her Maria personality as her “protector” and claimed that she can speak with Maria. She also claimed that Maria speaks Spanish and Russian even though Stauch isn't fluent in either language.

[…]

Loandra Torres, a forensic psychologist who conducted Stauch's first sanity evaluation, told jurors that she found Stauch sane at the time of Gannon's murder. She ruled out the possibility that Stauch suffers from dissociative identity disorder because almost none of Stauch's family members knew of her multiple personalities.

“She talks about having this mental illness since she was 16 years old and it’s never repeated anywhere," Torres said of the lack of corroborating evidence from those who know Stauch. "That's meaningful to me."

Torres also testified that people who suffer from dissociative identity disorder can't control it, and often are "ashamed" or "overwhelmed" by their mental illness. Torres said Stauch did not exhibit those traits during her forensic interviews.

Torres said that even if she believed Stauch had dissociative identity disorder, she still would not have classified Stauch as insane.

"There is no mental illness that is impacting Ms. Stauch’s ability to interpret what is right and what is wrong," Torres said.

[…]

 
  • #324
I assume that stepdad is conveniently deceased?
Twice !!!

If He was also the same step dad that was killed (again) in an accident when she called off of work the day Gannon went missing.

He was already deceased at that time.

I could not follow along all day so maybe it is another step dad, but if not, then he supposedly died twice.
OMG
 
  • #325
Long before the NGRI defense was planted in LS's head, we had LS telling his sister not to disturb GS and sent her out to ride her bike. We had AS crying over his daughter not being allowed inside the house. And in the rare chance, it's true that sister helped LS do anything, no way would AS/LH ever allow their daughter to testify and be traumatized about this for life. MOO
I really really don’t think that Laina was allowed in the house after school when LS was frantically cleaning up.

I think all that gibberish about her helping LS was just nonsense that LS made up trying to convince the doctors that she was hallucinating or having psychotic episodes.

She started off saying she saw a report where Laina had said that she saw Gannon’s body and it wasn’t moving.

I think she saw a forensic interview where they maybe asked Laina when she last saw her brother and it was probably Sunday night or Monday morning when he was knocked out on hydrocodone and asleep in his bed. JMO

The first document filed in this case has a witness from Safe Passage and they probably did the interview.


 
  • #326
Didn’t L say little sis helped move Gannons body up the stairs. Into the garage & into the car? Was he already in the suitcase? I probably have it all mixed up…..
No, you're good. TeciaMariaTaylorSwiftly is the one who's mixed it all up.
 
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After Jury dismissed today, Judge Warner wanted to look at scheduling for Monday.
Prosecution says one more final witness for them, will take a good chunk of time- lots of information to go over.

Judge asked did he need all day. Allen said he would know more by lunchtime.

Defense says they have 2 witnesses to call.

Judge mentioned as the trial moves forward there will be more need for traffic or crowd control. Told both sides to let him know how many seats they need for family members on both sides.

Werner said he will not place time limits on closing arguments.
Said ordinarily he does, but this case is rare.


He said although he won’t limit them, he may have to pause them after 90 minutes or so to give Jury a break or lunch.

Said they are up to 700+ exhibits and they won’t all fit in the Jury room, so he will probably arrange a separate room for exhibits and Jurors can take the ones they need back to their room.
BBM
Interesting.....
 
  • #329
They look strangely chummy.
She has that effect on people, she literally hoovers them in, she's good at it and she's fast.
Symbiosis in action.
She won't get the judge though she will try very hard.
 
  • #330
After Jury dismissed today, Judge Warner wanted to look at scheduling for Monday.
Prosecution says one more final witness for them, will take a good chunk of time- lots of information to go over.

Judge asked did he need all day. Allen said he would know more by lunchtime.

Defense says they have 2 witnesses to call.

Judge mentioned as the trial moves forward there will be more need for traffic or crowd control. Told both sides to let him know how many seats they need for family members on both sides.

Werner said he will not place time limits on closing arguments.
Said ordinarily he does, but this case is rare.

He said although he won’t limit them, he may have to pause them after 90 minutes or so to give Jury a break or lunch.

Said they are up to 700+ exhibits and they won’t all fit in the Jury room, so he will probably arrange a separate room for exhibits and Jurors can take the ones they need back to their room.
He knows how to run his Court.
He's an absolute gentleman, listens attentively to every word spoke, shows consideration for everybody.
Extraordinarily sharp mind.
 
  • #331
I disagree that little sister will testify just because LS said she helped moved GS (the suitcase) to the car. We know the child was recorded riding her bike until HH arrived home from work and took her to the dollar store.

IMO, the suitcase was already in the vehicle (inside the garage) when police searched the house.

IMO, under the same circumstances, if anybody helped LS move a suitcase to her vehicle it would most likely be HH when she was in the house for 19 minutes before leaving for dollar store. (LS now denies sending HH to purchase cleaning supplies).

It also follows that LS would say it was little L to protect HH.

ETA: If LS had any help moving the suitcase, I doubt the party would have had a clue what they were moving. MOO
Thank you for bring these thoughts out.

LS lies so much a person gets caught up in the whirl pool of word salad.

It's good to remember the timeline when Laina got off the bus, her bike ride and going to the dollar store.

I do think it would be interesting to hear what she has to say the night the pinky promise video was shot. Laina herself, said: "what's going on?"
 
  • #332
Trying to catch up... So she said in this rendition that she shot Gannon because he was in a cape and she couldn't tell it was him? And then she dragged him to the garage? I haven't finished but have to ask as I don't think I can listen to any more of her ridiculous lies: how does she then explain putting him in the suitcase? And where is the cape? It wasn't on him when the suitcase was found so did she take it off him? When? Where did she put it?
 
  • #333
From witness testimony, seems to me that Tolini loves to cite from articles favorable to his thinking. I think Dr. Torres said at one point today that he's sent her around 18!

Today, Tolini also challenged Torres on how state hospital mental health experts are biased. First, these experts are not hired by either the prosecution or defense-- they are state employees appointed by Court Order who are supposed to be neutral parties with objective opinions.

I'd say Tolini missed an article!


The first test of insanity is listed in C.R.S. § 16-8-101.5(1)(a): "A person who is so diseased or defective in mind at the time of the commission of the act as to be incapable of distinguishing right from wrong with respect to the act is not accountable" (meaning the person is NGRI).

The diseased or defective mind cannot be caused by "moral obliquity or moral depravity"(these terms are typically defined as having a personality disorder such as Antisocial Personality Disorder or Psychopathy).

The diseased or defective mind cannot be caused by "passion growing out of anger, revenge, hatred, or other motives and kindred evil conditions" (This is considered a "crime of passion").
[IMO, fits LS completely].

A diseased or defective in mind cannot be caused by "antisocial behavior or repeated criminal conduct" (C.R.S. § 16-8-101.5(2)(b)).

The second test of insanity is listed in C.R.S. 16-8-101.5(1)(b): "A person who suffered from a condition of mind caused by mental disease or defect that prevented the person from forming a culpable mental state that is an essential element of a crime charged" cannot be held criminally responsible (meaning the person is NGRI).

This used to be a completely separate issue but was combined with the first sanity test listed in #2 in 1995. If you hear an attorney or psychologist talking about a mental condition evaluation, they are talking about examining this test of insanity.

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A person found to be NGRI is immediately remanded to the Department of Human Services (The Colorado Mental Health Institute at Pueblo, or CMHIP, or 'Sim-Hip') for treatment. The person can be kept at Pueblo indefinitely (anywhere from one day to the rest of his life).

The defendant must have a release hearing when the hospital's opinion is that he is no longer a danger to himself, others, or the community for the foreseeable future (C.R.S. § 16-8-116).

[..]

I have conducted sanity/mental condition evaluations in Colorado. I have testified as an expert in these cases for both the prosecution and defense.

Here are a few issues I have learned over the years:

The sanity evaluators from the mental hospital in Pueblo were not hired by the prosecution or the defense. They are supposed to be neutral parties with objective opinions.

Depending on the opinions of the Pueblo evaluators, their testimony will be either pro-prosecution (i.e. they think the accused is sane) or pro-defense (i.e. they think the accused is insane).

The prosecution will almost definitely call experts of their own who have analyzed the Pueblo reports and who will say the accused is sane. They will also try to lessen the credibility of any experts who are friendly to the defense. This will be difficult to do, since some of those friendly defense experts will not testify until after the prosecution rests its case.

The prosecution will not have any privately-hired experts who directly evaluated the accused—they are not legally entitled to have access to the defendant in that way.

The defense likely has at least one private expert who has met with the defendant and conducted a private sanity evaluation. In fact, there have probably been several private sanity evaluations—all defense experts slated to testify will say the accused is insane.

The defense may have hired private evaluators who thought the accused is sane. If that is the case, we will never hear from those experts. The defense is not required to disclose that information to anyone. This is why it is a guarantee that any expert witnesses they call will be friendly to the defense.

The prosecution will likely request to call rebuttal expert witnesses to directly rebut testimony from defense experts called during the defense's case. This would happen after the defense rests. These witnesses would only be allowed to rebut testimony offered under direct examination—no new evidence could be admitted at that point in the trial.

If the prosecution calls rebuttal witnesses, the defense can ask the judge to allow them to also call rebuttal witnesses to rebut the prosecution's rebuttal witnesses. This is called surrebuttal.
 
  • #334
He knows how to run his Court.
He's an absolute gentleman, listens attentively to every word spoke, shows consideration for everybody.
Extraordinarily sharp mind.
100% !

And to think I got mad at him last Summer when he said in a hearing that setting a trial date couldn’t interfere with his plans to take time off for his 30th wedding anniversary or his wife would never forgive him.

Lol I was getting very frustrated at all the delays.
Turns out the Defense made sure he didn’t have to change his plans.
 
  • #335
No way anyone wants to have that baby girl on the stand.
I think it would really turn off the jury and feel exploitive .
She doesn’t need to relive that trauma.
JMO
I understand this, but, isn't Laina on the prosecution's witness list?
If she is there they would already had to have had parents pre-approval for her to speak.
 
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Long before the NGRI defense was planted in LS's head, we had LS telling his sister not to disturb GS and sent her out to ride her bike. We had AS crying over his daughter not being allowed inside the house. And in the rare chance, it's true that sister helped LS do anything, no way would AS/LH ever allow their daughter to testify and be traumatized about this for life. MOO
BBM
Then I must be mistaken I could have swore Laina was on the prosecution's witness List. I might have misheard.
 
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BBM
Then I must be mistaken I could have swore Laina was on the prosecution's witness List. I might have misheard.

I think she's on both lists. Just like HH.
 
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