CO - James Holmes Trial Discussion - Begins April 27, 2015 # 8

[carson456]

I recognized as a Student nurse that I could NOT do this type of work on a daily basis..I got kudos from clinical advisor's that was excellent on understanding the patients because my reports reflected what they were telling me was in their minds what they knew as a truth...WHatever..I knew..that IF I worked with these unfortunate folks..I myself would be included amongst them after many years ...so chose another specialty.

One of my clinical mentor's said ( after I chose different specialty) she understood...as there was no way I could have had such insights with feeling or sensing their torment...That's the word she used...EMPATHY....I later found out..I do have a certain gift of being "Empathic",which enabled me to foresee things in a patient..which ultimately enabled interventions that caused better outcomes.. Fellow HC providers will understand what I mean by that...It kind of gave me solace..as I wanted to protect the environment/co-workers and the patient at the same time..So thankful for small mercies in that gift department :facepalm:

I agree, psych was not for me. I found it and still find it so interesting but definitely could not work in that field on a consistent basis. Certainly a field it seems it would be easy to become burnt out. I wonder how Dr. Reid has done it for so long. I've read some of his articles he has published - he seems like a really smart guy.

What kinds of things did you forsee in patients?

 

[LyndyLoo]

I agree, psych was not for me. I found it and still find it so interesting but definitely could not work in that field on a consistent basis. Certainly a field it seems it would be easy to become burnt out. I wonder how Dr. Reid has done it for so long. I've read some of his articles he has published - he seems like a really smart guy.

What kinds of things did you forsee in patients?

Ohhh I think his ability I can explain..There are certain things one can compartmentalize..as I did for over 2 decades in ER/Trauma/ICU's...However..in Psych..It's when you somehow connect with a patient's thoughts or feelings..is when it's impossible to do that on a consistent basis..
So in ER setting since dealt with hundreds of various situations on a daily basis..the few I had to deal with..was easier to do that with..tho didn't undermine my ability to GET IT and be unable to assess accurately...Believe me..Many Psych Physicians always thanked me for my insights and for asking specific questions ( yes..open ended/non-confrontational/appearing to want to understand)...thus got info that HELPED them...That's why I said..It was a gift I will never regret having in my field/career :thinking:

Dr. Reid was gifted to be able to compartmentalize this area..and I'm will to bet he was an excellent clinician dealing with his patients..He is really a pleasure to listen to..at least for myself!!:blushing:

 

[LyndyLoo]

What kinds of things did you forsee in patients?

I'm requoting you Carson to address this separately.. It's not like I could read their minds..BUT Felt their upset..angers and even sometimes that their fuses were about to explode from trying to control it...I would try to de-escalate...But if I felt or knew somehow..It was time to either sedate or get them in a place that they couldn't do harm to another...(as some of my assessments were done in a pretty chaotic surroundings)...and also remember..these folks were not always self registering/referring patient's..some brought in by family or Police and I would have been briefed on what behaviour brought them to the department..Foreknowledge is always helpful IF one is to react or understand what people say or do... I am not saying I saw anything ( vision wise)..as I didn't ..But felt it..and knew it was safe/unsafe or time for intervention...Have I made any sense Carson?

 

[bexlex]

I'm trying to piece together what I heard today..... There seemed to be a few areas of sensitivity for JH

1) Dr Fenton.....what's his problem with her?

2) His, um, male.....um,.... you know - Did something really happen when he was young? Is this really about feeling inadequate down there?

3) He kinda admits that all his self diagnosis before the crime is bs....except schizophrenia. Not gonna argue that, but doesn't he have some malignant personality "things" going on? Narcisissm? Anything else?

ETA

4) I think the defense told him add the part about children....how did he know what was on the interrogation tape?

 

[cujenn81]

I really think JH got his "point based" system theory (that he could gain value points by killing others and that he would lose value points if he was killed or killed himself) from the Super Smash Bros. video game.

I just looked it up and found this info under the 'Gameplay' section of Wikipedia...

Gameplay in the Super Smash Bros. series differs from many fighting games.[24] Instead of winning by depleting an opponent's life bar, players seek to launch their opponents off the stage and out of the map. Characters have a damage total which rises as they take damage, represented by a percentage value that measures up to 999%.

The rules that can be used in a match vary depending on the game, but the most commonly used settings across all games are Time and Stock. Time mode uses a point based system in which fighters earn points for knocking out their opponents and lose points for being knocked out or self-destructing (i.e. falling out of the arena by themselves).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros.#Gameplay

Is this the game he said he would play for 8 hours a day?

 

[jilly]

I really think JH got his "point based" system theory (that he could gain value points by killing others and that he would lose value points if he was killed or killed himself) from the Super Smash Bros. video game.

I just looked it up and found this info under the 'Gameplay' section of Wikipedia...

Gameplay in the Super Smash Bros. series differs from many fighting games.[24] Instead of winning by depleting an opponent's life bar, players seek to launch their opponents off the stage and out of the map. Characters have a damage total which rises as they take damage, represented by a percentage value that measures up to 999%.

The rules that can be used in a match vary depending on the game, but the most commonly used settings across all games are Time and Stock. Time mode uses a point based system in which fighters earn points for knocking out their opponents and lose points for being knocked out or self-destructing (i.e. falling out of the arena by themselves).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros.#Gameplay

Is this the game he said he would play for 8 hours a day?

He listed a few games that he played with friends, one of which was Mario. I can't remember the others and don't know who he said this to. Somewhere he said he'd play games for 8 hrs a day.
Maisiebelle gave a few games that were found in his apartment but this was not on her list.
This game and the others sound spot on. Thank you for this research!

 

[Whiteorchids]

He listed a few games that he played with friends, one of which was Mario. I can't remember the others and don't know who he said this to. Somewhere he said he'd play games for 8 hrs a day.
Maisiebelle gave a few games that were found in his apartment but this was not on her list.
This game and the others sound spot on. Thank you for this research!

Starcraft was one

 

[jilly]

Starcraft was one

Thanks Whiteorchids! Starcraft is one of the games that Maisiebelle listed which was found in his apartment.
I think I might be confused about this latest game mentioned by cujenn81. Is Gameplay the name of the game?
I'm signing off now........it's late.

 

[Whiteorchids]

Thanks Whiteorchids! Starcraft is one of the games that Maisiebelle listed which was found in his apartment.
I think I might be confused about this latest game mentioned by cujenn81. Is Gameplay the name of the game?
I'm signing off now........it's late.

Goodnight Jilly!! Today was really hard watching the video. Cried for the victims

 

[zoey]

John Ingold ‏@johningold · 32m32 minutes ago
Day 22 of the Aurora #theatershooting trial: "I don't know them. They are going to make me know them, though." http://www.denverpost.com/theater-shooting
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[zoey]

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 2m2 minutes ago
Watch the #theatershooting trial live HERE! http://thetrialdiaries.com/trial-livestream-links/ … #theatertrial #15 minutes

 

[atthelake]

John Ingold ‏@johningold · 32m32 minutes ago
Day 22 of the Aurora #theatershooting trial: "I don't know them. They are going to make me know them, though." http://www.denverpost.com/theater-shooting
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:tyou:

:daisy:

That link did not work for me for yesterday summary, but I did a search on this site which has recap AND video of yesterday
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28227779/aurora-theater-trial-delves-deep-into-video-of-psychiatric-evaluation

He told Reid he stopped shooting at the theater because his rifle jammed and his shotgun would have taken too long to reload. He said he didn't try to run from police because he hadn't thought out where to go.

Asked whether the shooting was successful, he answered, "Uh, yes." Reid asked why.

"I increased my self-worth," he said. " ... I'm worth 13 where a normal person is worth one."

 

[zoey]

Colorado News ‏@_ColoradoNews_ · 2m2 minutes ago
#Colorado #News #TheaterShooting gunman says he knew shooting was “legally wrong”:
var addthis_product = 'wpp... http://cbsloc.al/1JmVdzx

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 3m3 minutes ago
#theatershooting

Should be resuming in just a few minutes. Watch live at http://www.thegoldpatrol.com
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KDVR FOX31 Denver ‏@KDVR · 3m3 minutes ago
WATCH LIVE: Day 23 of Aurora #theatershooting trial http://link.kdvr.com/1JmNJws
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Congress Park Denver ‏@InCongressPark · 2m2 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting gunman says he knew shooting was “legally wrong” http://cbsloc.al/1JmVdzx

 

[zoey]

:tyou:

:daisy:

That link did not work for me for yesterday summary, but I did a search on this site which has recap AND video of yesterday
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28227779/aurora-theater-trial-delves-deep-into-video-of-psychiatric-evaluation

think I'm using the Denver one myself--I just throw out options!

 

[zoey]

Trial Queen Sharee ‏@TrialQnSharee · 2m2 minutes ago
Watch #TheaterShooting trial #LIVE http://trialqueen.com/james-holmes-livestream/ …

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The Denver Post ‏@denverpost · 41s41 seconds ago
WATCH LIVE: Day 23 of the Aurora #theatershooting trial is under way: http://dpo.st/1QBrF4G via @DPTV
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[zoey]

Will C. Holden ‏@will_c_holden · 48s48 seconds ago
#TheaterShooting Trial Day 23 is live: http://link.kdvr.com/1JmNJws The DA has just under 3 or 4 weeks left for case, pending a judge decision

 

[zoey]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 39s39 seconds ago
LIVE NOW: #theatershooting Trial. http://www.courtchatter.com/#!james-holmes

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
We are live in the #Theatershooting trial

 

[zoey]

Cathy ‏@courtchatter · 3m3 minutes ago
New stream added for #theatershooting trial. 3 streams available. http://www.courtchatter.com/#!schedule/mainPage
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CBSDenver ‏@CBSDenver · 2m2 minutes ago
#TheaterShooting gunman says he knew shooting was “legally wrong” http://cbsloc.al/1JmVdzx?utm_source

 

[zoey]

The Gold Patrol™ ‏@thegoldpatrol · 1m1 minute ago
#theatershooting

Reason for killing: It just popped up as a kid. He wasn’t angry or hating anyone
--AuroraShootingTrial ‏@Aurora_Sentinel · 50s50 seconds ago
Aurora #theatershooting trial resumes with taped interview of James Holmes by state psychiatrist. Holmes continues monotone, short answers
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