CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[Yellow Rose]

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Eerie fog settling over this Fountain landfill this morning. Investigators will be here at 8 a.m. to start long and meticulous search through trash for Kelsey Berreth’s remains. They’ll go thru enough trash to fill 250 Olympic Pools during this 35+ day search.

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Sort of aligns with the task at hand IMO

 

[susiQ]

Some great sleuthing going on here, and the information about the hay is spot on. I also think since they used a hay fork the bales were big round bales, they are cheaper, and cows will eat any hay, even older discolored hay. Also, discolored hay doesn't mean it has had anything leaked onto it, it gets that way from being at the top, and sides of the hay stack.

I want to amend my theory on PF and SF's "great escape", I don't think anyone in LE tipped him off, they probably all knew with the FBI involved, etc , that he was being watched, they would not want their number showing up on his cell phone the morning of the arrest. Also, they did not even make it to the gate, which makes me think they were hustling to get out.

So this makes me think one of his farrier/roping buddies in the area saw them rolling down Teller 1 and called him. Which makes we wonder, Did they know what he had done? Where they involved some way? Why call him? The sub division La Montana Mesa, and Las Brises are just 3-4 minutes up the road from PF's gate. jmo

I don't think anyone tipped him off, not even his buddies. My guess is they had him under surveillance 24/7 from an adjacent property and they knew he and Ma F were packing up and heading out. It was after all just shortly after 7 a.m. I still think the objective was to hide the baby with someone in case things went south, and they certainly did. How I wonder what they had in their cars that morning. A suitcase full of baby things?

Which ever scenario, I'm sure we'll hear about it at some point. MOO

 

[enelram]

I’m still hung up on the tote. Someone posted a picture of a very heavy duty plastic one (think as heavy duty as a locking plastic tool box that is affixed in a truck), which is about the only way it makes sense with the silver handles that have been mentioned. Now, it could have been a standard tote like you put your Christmas ornaments up in. But then, how do you carry a body in it without the handle ends buckling somewhat. They tend to do that. A standard storage tote might burn easily with a body inside. But if it was that heavy duty thick plastic? I don’t see how it happens.

No matter what kind of tote, and in a barrel with only one night’s burning, I believe there is plenty left to find at the dump.

OK, in your honor Jane Eyre, I went back to see if I could find
all the msm articles on the tote and I found most articles call
it a 'Black Tote Bag' or a 'Black Bag'. So I think we on WS got
a little off track thinking it was hard plastic, apparently it's not.

If softer material I'm guessing he dragged it out of her condo on
the ground. Again, maybe leaking fluids were left near the
corner of her car where the cadaver dogs hit.

So I guess if we picture a large duffel bag it's easier to understand.
Hope this helps.

 

[susiQ]

OK, in your honor Jane Eyre, I went back to see if I could find
all the msm articles on the tote and I found most articles call
it a 'Black Tote Bag' or a 'Black Bag'. So I think we on WS got
a little off track thinking it was hard plastic, apparently it's not.

If softer material I'm guessing he dragged it out of her condo on
the ground. Again, maybe leaking fluids were left near the
corner of her car where the cadaver dogs hit.

So I guess if we picture a large duffel bag it's easier to understand.
Hope this helps.

I'm still leaning toward a hard plastic tote. With canvas or some other fabric some fluid would have leaked into his truck too, right? I just wish we had a visual of what was in the back of his truck at the bank, so we could leave all this speculation on the tote behind us

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

It’s a guess, but I’d say he would have attempted to clean the house with some sort of small sponge and a bar of soap, or simply burned the house down.

Baby wipes,and Ma F's Swiffer.

 

[skycountry]

I am curious now, because the original articles said black plastic tote, IIRC. Then the most recent article said 'tote bag.'

Tote Bag makes the most sense, in terms of burning it.

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[AgeofAquaruis]

Like Jason Young (NC). They have an angle, it's just a matter of convincing one juror that it's plausible.

One labotomized juror.

 

[enelram]

The only still shots I've seen at the bank do not show the tote.
From the angle of the camera it just showed part of the interior
cab and part of the child carrier in the passenger seat.

Also in the affidavit (somewhere) it mentioned LE found several
additional totes at PF's ranch, "like the one used to move her body". Again, this is why I think he used the cheaper soft tote
bags since the hard plastic ones are quite expensive.
20 years ago, mine cost like $170. for the hard plastic and it does
not have any drainage holes in the bottom so it does not leak at all.

 

[allboys]

Yeah. I’m inclined to believe that she attempted to flee the blows, as horrible as that is to think about.

If she was laying on the ground and he continued to swing the bat, you’d have cast off blood splatter, and impact splatter.

But it probably wouldn’t be everywhere.

It’s impossible to say for sure, but from the picture that KK painted, in inclined to believe the former is true.

As much as I don’t want to.

Sometimes people “cheat” when positioning blindfolds. Perhaps KB was slightly uneasy, and made it so she could peek through or around blindfold. Perhaps in a reflection on the television glass or a picture frame, she saw PF preparing to take the first swing...and she attempted to dodge it. Ie. Perhaps things did not go exactly as PF planned.

I do think the blood being “everywhere” suggests an incredibly horrid scene of chaos.

I hope the jury is heavily impacted by this vision of horror and has zero question about who is responsible.

Many have questioned why he didn’t do this in an “easier” way (myself included). He is a man who planned and wanted the mother of his child dead. Why should we expect what he does to make any kind of sense? MOO

 

[scandinavian girl]

This is what I imagined the tote was, I don´t know if it is a global brand, but it comes in different sizes to transport building material or other stuff to the dump. You just call the company and they come with a bag and return to take it away.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

His place was fairly private, mommy aside.

I’ll be willing to bet that this wasn’t the first fire he had lit there, although this was the first one with the purpose of destroying a body.

We don’t know the dynamic between mommy and son, but maybe she knew better than to ask questions.

It’s a place where he was comfortable doing something like that, as he knew he could do it without being disturbed.

Exactly.

 

[HayLouise]

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It’s Day 1 of an extensive & meticulous search through 687,000 cubic feet of trash for Kelsey Berreth’s remains. Woodland Park Police just arrived here. There will be 10 searchers sifting thru each piece of trash dup up by excavators. Search could last 35+ days.

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(Video at link)

 

[oviedo]

The only still shots I've seen at the bank do not show the tote.
From the angle of the camera it just showed part of the interior
cab and part of the child carrier in the passenger seat.

Also in the affidavit (somewhere) it mentioned LE found several
additional totes at PF's ranch, "like the one used to move her body". Again, this is why I think he used the cheaper soft tote
bags since the hard plastic ones are quite expensive.
20 years ago, mine cost like $170. for the hard plastic and it does
not have any drainage holes in the bottom so it does not leak at all.

para 71 - "black plastic tote with silver handles" - someone posted a pretty good picture of this a few threads back. (source Affidavit)

 

[skycountry]

The only still shots I've seen at the bank do not show the tote.
From the angle of the camera it just showed part of the interior
cab and part of the child carrier in the passenger seat.

Also in the affidavit (somewhere) it mentioned LE found several
additional totes at PF's ranch, "like the one used to move her body". Again, this is why I think he used the cheaper soft tote
bags since the hard plastic ones are quite expensive.
20 years ago, mine cost like $170. for the hard plastic and it does
not have any drainage holes in the bottom so it does not leak at all.

Yes, I deleted my post, just not sure where I saw mention of a black tote. I don't want to mislead people.

 

[Dave F.]

Don't know who owns it today but I think that's where PF had
an agreement to store his cow hay for his herd. This would
give him access to the hay barns whenever he wanted.
Apparently the leased land where his cows are is not far away.

The owner is Nash Ranch LLC, with primary business of raising registered Hereford cattle. The entire 465,000+ contiguous acre ranch has an official address of 1444 County Road 85, Guffey, Colorado. The Nash family ranching began in 1914 and is in the fourth generation stewardship. There are fifth generation family members who would be roughly the same age as PF. The principal of the corporation does appear to live in the residence complex located almost a mile south of the hay barn, with no direct line of sight. The hay harvested at the ranch probably has a high alfalfa mix. IMO
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[Julia966]

If PF had access to the Nash Ranch and nobody was around, I can't figure out why he wouldn't just bury the body on that property. Hiding it in their barn so that he could wait until KK got there is really bizarre to me.

I'm starting to wonder if PF designed the entire murder and disposal specifically to involve KK as much as possible. There was no need for the horrible mess in her condo, one that would be nearly impossible to completely clean up, or for the burning. It's like he wanted her to be deeply involved and took steps to make sure she was.

 

[Dave F.]

The hard sided tote that I posted the picture of, in the last thread, costs less than $40 at Harbor Freight.
It would be very difficult to move a prone body in a soft-sided bag. Many morticians use soft sided zipper bags that have a hard stretcher board bottom. They require two people to move around, and that type bag would have no use on a ranch. IMO

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

It is also very convenient too that the cell phones are pretty much all missing as far as we know. The burner ones very convenient...

And I agree, she never tried to help until after she was faced with the fact she lied and she had lawyered up. I do not buy her waterworks.

They are cohorts. IMHO. Or were. Possibly with individual reasons and motives but cohorts nonetheless. Each guilty of what each did. And a few of those things are still up in the air for me... Not all, but a few.

Again, imo.

Like conspiracy things. ITA. Can't stand her, or PF, but thankfully she is the weakest link. I wish there was a way to track the burner phones,and data.
Because only three years or less is just shocking.
I wonder if she even realizes she destroyed more than Kelsey's life, in the vortex she created. For Her old flame,she carried a torch for. Quite literally.
She obviously thought it was not to big a deal he talked about smashing Kelsey's head in with a baseball bat. As long as it wasn't her head,and as long as she could force him to do the deed.
MOO.

 

[skycountry]

I don't think anyone tipped him off, not even his buddies. My guess is they had him under surveillance 24/7 from an adjacent property and they knew he and Ma F were packing up and heading out. It was after all just shortly after 7 a.m. I still think the objective was to hide the baby with someone in case things went south, and they certainly did. How I wonder what they had in their cars that morning. A suitcase full of baby things?

Which ever scenario, I'm sure we'll hear about it at some point. MOO

Good point about them attempting to hide baby K, I wonder if PF was going to hide out with her, since they took two cars. Could be they were heading to one of the ranchers he knew, most have multiple homes on their property. Also, they would have headed south since LE was coming from the north. all is jmo

 

[susiQ]

The hard sided tote that I posted the picture of, in the last thread, costs less than $40 at Harbor Freight.
It would be very difficult to move a prone body in a soft-sided bag. Many morticians use soft sided zipper bags that have a hard stretcher board bottom. They require two people to move around, and that type bag would have no use on a ranch. IMO

Dave, could you please repost that pic? I think it's probably closest to what I would imagine he used.