CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #45*ARREST*

[cody22]

Wasn't there an article that talked about a neighbor or somebody saying that PF cheated on a previous girlfriend when another girlfriend "was in the hospital". It was an article right after he was arrested if I recall correctly.

I can't recall where I saw that, but I don't follow Facebook stuff so it must not have been there it had to have been mainstream Media. Or from another post here.

Does anyone else recall such? Does anyone have a link to such as this post just made me remember such.

ETA. I'm searching the thread and mainstream through Google and I can't find it, but I know I saw it.

Yes. This was linked in an earlier thread.

 

[PommyMommy]

BBM - so is this new information? otherwise, why the delay in searching? I cannot believe it is new though - it seems she would have had to tell everything she knew back on December 20 to get that deal? thoughts?

Lots and lots of planning and preparation. The weather may have also contributed to the delay.
MOO

 

[The Night Watchman]

A freshly deceased body is amazing pliable, as there is no more muscle tension. It would require a person with no soul to do it. IMO

BBM

Dave- I alway enjoy your informative posts!

Sometimes I think you know too much though, haha...

 

[ajaylee]

I must admit, this case has me so conflicted at times, trying to understand that which I can not imagine.

I know PF wanted KB dead, and he did it. I know KK wanted her dead, but didn't do it but was so very willing to clean up the mess. What made that risk worth it to her?

She claims she "left" clues so LE would find PF, YET she throws away a tooth, destroys KB's phone and her own plus burners. What is SHE hiding that LE and the DA will never be able to prove because she tampered with the evidence. The case against PF would be even stronger if she'd left these items undamaged and was able to turn them in. So I'm clueless as to why she went to such lengths to destroy these items. Once she left CO she had the power to turn them in, tell LE what happened and she would never have to fear him again. But that's not what she did. I feel very strongly once this goes to trial she will look even worse to us than she does now. PF's attorney will leave no stone unturned to accomplish that.

She had a number of days to consider how to mitigate the evidence against her, to a certain degree. Thankfully, LE had enough on her to make her buckle and spill the beans on PF. Although, I still don't trust everything she's said. There's more to this that has been conveniently left out of HER narrative. No doubt, PF's attorney will "fill in the blanks" for us when the time comes. All MOO and more MOO.

I completely agree with everything you've written. Too many puzzle pieces are still missing and there's a crazy lack of consistency in their actions.

I get the feeling here that most of us think we can kind of understand PF - his actions are pretty consistent with the type of person he seems to be. Nothing KB did seems out of character for what we know of her.

KK is the mystery. I just can't make heads or tails of her actions. Is she afraid? Calculating? Secretly leaving a trail of clues so PF will get caught? Or leaving a fake trail of clues in case PF gets caught and her name comes up? Both?

As far as we know, the cell records back up her story, but it doesn't make sense, particularly since she seemed slightly savvier than PF about phones. She claimed she turned KB's phone off and on to leave a trail of pings leading to her.

Right. Except if she wanted a trail of pings from KB's phone from Colorado to Idaho, why keep turning the phone on and off? Why completely destroy the phones, including her own, at home?

She allegedly left blood clues - but not a tooth.

I think she knows a lot more than we have heard. I'm sure we haven't heard everything she has to say, but I don't see what additional information would make her actions in the above two situations any easier to understand.

If she's lying or withholding information (and I think she is), who is she trying to protect?

 

[Noharg]

I’ve been away from WS for a couple of days and in trying to somewhat catch up, I have simply scanned and skipped around reading last and current threads. PF’s court date Monday is Legal Argument. What exactly does that entail?
Again, apologies if this is a repeat question.
TIA

 

[Julia966]

KK told police that PF scooped up KB’s charred remains and possibly tossed them in a nearby river or landfill.

Yeah, I remember her saying that, but it's so vague. I was hoping there was a more solid lead.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

KK did one smart thing in hiring the attorney before she told the whole, ugly, sordid story. She is far from smart, so I'm assuming one of the people she blabbed to early on told her, "You need to get a good lawyer". Imagine the charges she would be facing if she just told LE everything she knew up front. MOO

1.Why did she even need a lawyer? She's so valuable to the state that they are letting her walk with no consequences. Did it take a defense lawyer to help the prosecution see the light?
2. Again, what a disgusting, unjust system we have, to let someone like this walk due to having a "good lawyer". I'm sick of hearing this. MOO.

 

[Kapua]

I must admit, this case has me so conflicted at times, trying to understand that which I can not imagine.

I know PF wanted KB dead, and he did it. I know KK wanted her dead, but didn't do it but was so very willing to clean up the mess. What made that risk worth it to her?

She claims she "left" clues so LE would find PF, YET she throws away a tooth, destroys KB's phone and her own plus burners. What is SHE hiding that LE and the DA will never be able to prove because she tampered with the evidence. The case against PF would be even stronger if she'd left these items undamaged and was able to turn them in. So I'm clueless as to why she went to such lengths to destroy these items. Once she left CO she had the power to turn them in, tell LE what happened and she would never have to fear him again. But that's not what she did. I feel very strongly once this goes to trial she will look even worse to us than she does now. PF's attorney will leave no stone unturned to accomplish that.

She had a number of days to consider how to mitigate the evidence against her, to a certain degree. Thankfully, LE had enough on her to make her buckle and spill the beans on PF. Although, I still don't trust everything she's said. There's more to this that has been conveniently left out of HER narrative. No doubt, PF's attorney will "fill in the blanks" for us when the time comes. All MOO and more MOO.

BBM. This is the thing I understand the least. Normal people (like all of us fine folks here) would not have considered making even the first drive after PF suggested killing KB. We would have called LE and notified KB. Shady people would have at the very least thought, "Hell no, with my luck, I would be caught." I just cannot wrap my head around taking the huge risk, knowing there would be enormous consequences. This woman is herself a mother of two. Did she even think for a moment how this would affect her kids???

 

[Steelslady]

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So he just walked into Kelsey's with a bat in hand (a man known per KB's friend) to be angry much of the time over something and said here, take off your sweater or get me one and let me blindfold you? Let's play pin the tail on the donkey while somehow I grab a bat? There is much of this I don't buy or at least that needs more explanation at some point. I guess I need to remember these are his alleged words to KK in what sure was a very detailed conversation and either one of them could have been lying for various reasons. It was a brutal scene per KK but PF tried to clean up with baby wipes??

Not saying I know, just that how would anyone know what the truth is? Maybe LE can tell after all of the cleanup that happened but the bat is allegedly burned, the body, etc., how can they be sure what was used or how it happened?

KK won't transport the body but you will take two guns in a car across three states with unregistered tags, neither of which you own and one of which if traced would come back to a missing woman when they tried to locate her?? Then one just happens to have a bullet chambered and another missing? She took the phones and the guns, included Kelsey's, and hers must have been full of incriminating evidence because she destroyed them. She cleaned up the scene, brought cleaning supplies, put herself at the scene, hauled garbage with evidence that tied to the woman, etc., went with to get the body, watched it burn for hours but she refused to take the body? I call b.s. It either (1) would not fit; or (2) this was the plan all along to burn it at ma's and for her to be there.

I feel they are stupid as most do but then one has to wonder if some of this is intentional, this outright mess of details offered, most of which make little sense.

Or, and I hate talking about these types of details and hope the family does not read here, but the bullet was used and put into Kelsey, before, during or after death. The plan was to dump her on the way home to Idaho in a way that would explain the battering and the gun shot, suicide and over a cliff? She has a gun unrelated to her or PF and PF tried to claim KB went to Idaho... She makes a constant point of saying she never saw the body throughout though which I find a bit odd. I read it more than once. Somehow, some way, they realized it would not work perhaps...

I guess for one thing I need to remember other than what can be corroborated most of the story could be false. KB and him up the night before was it until 4? What was he doing when she ran to Walmart for medicine? Who all went target shooting by the way and where? If she and he went, where was the baby? At the ranch? A sitter? My thought there too is it would put gunpowder residue on KB's hands? Part of the plan...? Then by giving KB her gun back, it is also there for their use to make it look as though she killed herself, her gun, she did it...

Just talking out loud and speculating, never seen a case yet that I felt all added up. I hope that baby is never around any of these nutjobs and is kept far away.

My thoughts about giving Kelsey back the gun the day before Thanksgiving- he had the perfect plan all set up, her death was going to be a suicide. Then, she told her Mom in a phone call, probably in front of Patrick, that she had her gun back and went target practicing, once again, foiling his plans to be free of her. Makes me wonder if that is why he had so much rage when he brutally hit her with the baseball bat- he was no doubt angry that not only he had to do it because Krystal wouldn't, but now his perfect plan fell apart by one phone call to Mom.

 

[ajaylee]

Yeah, I remember her saying that, but it's so vague. I was hoping there was a more solid lead.

This. I wondered why they settled on searching the landfill instead of scouting river locations. Had to be more than a coin flip.

 

[Julia966]

1.Why did she even need a lawyer? She's so valuable to the state that they are letting her walk with no consequences. Did it take a defense lawyer to help the prosecution see the light?
2. Again, what a disgusting, unjust system we have, to let someone like this walk due to having a "good lawyer". I'm sick of hearing this. MOO.

We don't know that she's walking. She won't be sentenced until after the trial, I believe, so we don't know the terms of her deal. She needed an attorney in order to make the deal.

 

[Steelslady]

I recall reading about this also, but can't remember where.

I wonder how his "exes" feel now, bet they are happy they weren't the recipients of his murderous ways. Wonder why we haven't heard from any of them?

Edit - found mention of the cheating on g/f in hospital in a Daily Mail article.

The reason I think they were all safe was because Kelsey gave him one thing that he wanted all for himself- his daughter. The others were just passing phases for him.

 

[Steelslady]

Yep. Sonic cctv time (KJK caught on camera) is 11:15am 24 November 2018 in Woodland Park according to my notes.

Huh? Didn't she pick up the keys at Patrick's for Kelsey's townhouse around 7:30 am, then had to drive what, 20-25 minutes to get there? She must be a speed demon of a cleaner to be in and out that fast after cleaning, bringing trash out, etc, then off to Sonic.

 

[Kapua]

1.Why did she even need a lawyer? She's so valuable to the state that they are letting her walk with no consequences. Did it take a defense lawyer to help the prosecution see the light?
2. Again, what a disgusting, unjust system we have, to let someone like this walk due to having a "good lawyer". I'm sick of hearing this. MOO.

KK is not "walking with no consequences", although I do agree she is being charged with fewer crimes than she committed.

KK plead guilty to a felony charge of tampering with physical evidence. She will be sentenced after PF's trial is complete. She will have this felony charge on her record for the rest of her life. She was fired from her job.

In exchange for the reduced charge, she's had to admit to all of the truly despicable things that she did, and face the well-deserved scorn of everyone who's heard the news. She'll also have to testify to all of her evil deeds in court.

Those are, IMHO, serious consequences.

 

[ajaylee]

BBM. This is the thing I understand the least. Normal people (like all of us fine folks here) would not have considered making even the first drive after PF suggested killing KB. We would have called LE and notified KB. Shady people would have at the very least thought, "Hell no, with my luck, I would be caught." I just cannot wrap my head around taking the huge risk, knowing there would be enormous consequences. This woman is herself a mother of two. Did she even think for a moment how this would affect her kids???

She wanted it bad enough to kid herself that they wouldn't get caught.

I don't know about anyone else, but there's no way I would drive a car with expired plates, particularly if it wasn't my car, and even more so if I were going to be crossing state lines where my out-of-state plate might attract cops. Among other reasons, if the plates are expired, I think the auto insurance is invalid and I'm not driving a car 50 feet without insurance.

And PF tried to get her to cram KB's body (and presumably six bags of trash) in that car to take somewhere and dispose of?

Is he that stupid or was he just trying to shift risk (and dirty work) from himself to KK?

 

[Yellow Rose]

Wishing them all the luck in the world on the search today and going forward! I want them to have every bit of evidence they can get their hands on to put this guy out of my misery.....

 

[Kapua]

She wanted it bad enough to kid herself that they wouldn't get caught.

I don't know about anyone else, but there's no way I would drive a car with expired plates, particularly if it wasn't my car, and even more so if I were going to be crossing state lines where my out-of-state plate might attract cops. Among other reasons, if the plates are expired, I think the auto insurance is invalid and I'm not driving a car 50 feet without insurance.

And PF tried to get her to cram KB's body (and presumably six bags of trash) in that car to take somewhere and dispose of?

IKR? Who drives a car w/expired plates to a crime scene? Someone told me to not try to make sense of this crime about 20 threads ago, but I just can't get over the stupidity, not to mention the evil.

What do you do when your "boyfriend", who is a long-distance boyfriend at that, calls you from two states away to ask you to drop everything and drive down to clean up the mess he made when killing the mother of his infant child? Call your friend to borrow her car, lie to your ex-husband, and tell him "I'll be there as soon as I can?"

Could there be something we're missing? Or is it just that ridiculous?

 

[Steelslady]

Ok, this is going to sound a bit on the naive side, sorry. Just how I'm wired.

Did Krystal actually know her friend had a gun in her glove compartment? I probably would have no clue what was in my friend's glove compartments, unless of course, they told me. This bullet thing is driving me crazy, probably because it wasn't brought up during the hearing as to whether or not Krystal or Patrick used that bullet in Kelsey's gun, or used her friend's gun and shot it from hers. I don't know why, but I feel this is going play a small role or maybe more, in this. They brought up both guns in detail.

 

[susiQ]

Ugghhhhhhhh. This makes me wonder if she was still alive,barely cleaning to life, when they went and got her, which really freaked them out, so one or the other shot her to finish her off. That would explain the missing bullet.
MOO.

Well, first I said, "Sorry, can't even go there, " but you know what it's like, once you've read it

I have to hope and pray it isn't so, and I don't think it is and I'll tell you why. Had one of them unloaded a round to do that, wouldn't the guns, either KB's or MG's tell the tale. LE have both of those weapons in their possession now and have likely been checked to see if they were fired recently. If either one had been, KK's tale would already be suspect in their minds would it not? JMT.

 

[ilovechili]

I must admit, this case has me so conflicted at times, trying to understand that which I can not imagine.

I know PF wanted KB dead, and he did it. I know KK wanted her dead, but didn't do it but was so very willing to clean up the mess. What made that risk worth it to her?

She claims she "left" clues so LE would find PF, YET she throws away a tooth, destroys KB's phone and her own plus burners. What is SHE hiding that LE and the DA will never be able to prove because she tampered with the evidence. The case against PF would be even stronger if she'd left these items undamaged and was able to turn them in. So I'm clueless as to why she went to such lengths to destroy these items. Once she left CO she had the power to turn them in, tell LE what happened and she would never have to fear him again. But that's not what she did. I feel very strongly once this goes to trial she will look even worse to us than she does now. PF's attorney will leave no stone unturned to accomplish that.

She had a number of days to consider how to mitigate the evidence against her, to a certain degree. Thankfully, LE had enough on her to make her buckle and spill the beans on PF. Although, I still don't trust everything she's said. There's more to this that has been conveniently left out of HER narrative. No doubt, PF's attorney will "fill in the blanks" for us when the time comes. All MOO and more MOO.

I agree with every word. When this goes to trial she is going to be on the stand for some time if one asks me, perhaps even days. I think she is both a dream and worst nightmare simultaneously. A lying witness is not a prosecutor's dream and one that can say what PF did or possibly prove anything is not the defense's dream either right? Yet she can also help both sides in different ways.

I do not believe she left things on purpose, turned KB's phone on to be found nor that she was scared of PF. In every way, she shows the opposite in her actions. She was trying to look good and show them she wanted him caught (after lying to them uh-huh, sure...). As you said, she had quite some time to think about her story. If they wanted, they had time to talk about one also. As you said though, the story/this case confuses and conflicts.

With regard to the evidence, maybe she saw the blood on the fireplace, light switch, etc. and meant to go back and get it and either forgot, ran out of time, became hungry (Sonic) or he was on her to get done so they could get the body, etc. I have no idea but as you say, the tooth would be the primary piece of evidence we know about to keep. Was she hoping it looked accidental to PF if the cops ever found it and she could act clueless while he intentionally told her to look for the tooth and that would be harder to explain if she kept it? Or the sweater? These I think were items he specifically wanted gone. Maybe he was coming over or would check the items she retrieved for them to burn to ensure she got them and she was hungry and tired and sick of cleaning and thought good enough? I truly have no idea but those are thoughts.

Was there a goal here by either of them other than to get rid of Kelsey? While I buy custody being a part (for him anyhow and possibly others), I am unsure I buy it being the entire picture. Did they/or she, etc have some dream of happy ever after on a Colorado ranch? I can see possibly some financial motive, anything of KB's IF he was not a suspect and he got custody and suicide was blamed would likely be in trust for Baby K to be used for her needs, etc.

We know little of any of their finances. We know SF owns a few properties. We know PF apparently has some cattle and a truck but I see no sign of any real wealth, I see a momma's boy who lives at home with all it generally entails. And the things he does do can easily be on a cash basis and that would make it difficult to ever buy a home (issue with KB, can't leave home, buy home together, put roof over family's head). KK while a nurse no idea of finances and it appears she gets some financial help from hubby, roof over head, etc., new phone. She also goes to Vegas/Reno after...

Boy, I have no more of a guess than you do. I do know what I think of people who could do such a thing though... Both of them.